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That's only your opinion. They have one of the best jobs in the field, if not the best.

Have you seen these workers at the store? You must be blind. They are constantly working under pressure to be faster, from entitled narcissist customers and managers constantly pushing them left and right up and down. Yet from glass door their pay is laughable.
 
True, but it's close to trolling; they mention it relentlessly, every which way they can.

Some do. My criteria for "trolls" on MR is someone who fits all of the following:

- relentlessly negative
- pointlessly negative
- prolific

Extra points for having an irritating avatar or .sig. But only if they meet the above criteria.

And then, I put them on the blocked list. I don't think the guy you singled out meets my criteria. But I did block out another idiot in this thread. I swear, you would think some of these people just spend their entire lives on these keyboards automatically typing moronic $#!+.
 
True, but it's close to trolling; they mention it relentlessly, every which way they can.

I understand people who have older machines, which they use for their livelihood, and don't feel that the current spec justifies paying that much -- especially if there's an update around the corner. That's absolutely fair enough and I agree with them.

But a lot of people seem to be acting like it's completely the end of the world and will hammer the issue wherever possible. You know the ones; you see them in almost every thread. As if they can't do anything on their current Macs that will suddenly change when they're refreshed with better specs. I question how many of the persistent whiners actually own a Mac.

Spot on. I don't think people who recognize the slowness of Apple's innovation lately are necessarily haters either......but when its cro-barred into every post, especially ones having nothing to do with the release of a product, then its time to call a spade a spade. Apple renovating and updating their stores is a good thing. Yet we still have people that will go into a story about store renovation and complain about Apple's lack of innovation. When products do get updated, thats still not good enough and we here people saying things like..."Yeah well, it took em long enough" or "Its about time"

Some people are just never satisfied. Why doesnt Iphone come with a bigger screen!!!!! So Apple puts out a Iphone with a larger screen and what do they say? "Oh, Galaxy Note has had bigger screens for YEARS!!!!! Ok, well you complained about it, it got solved, what more do you want?
 
Who. Cares.
I, for one. Now that Windows and Samsung stores are nearly identical to Apple's format, they need a serious refresh for brand integrity. Having "cool" stores is important and worth investing in if done well.

I suspect most investors will feel the same way if they use their brains instead of following narratives.
 
Three Apple Stores opened by Angela Ahrendts, because she is the ingenious removing the 'Store' name from Apple.
 
Given the recent news about dropping the word "Store" from the Apple Store name, the headline of this article should be: Apple Opening Three Next-Generation Locations Over the Next Week.
 
I'd rather wish they'd introduce three next-generation products over the next week...

... It's been while.
 
Some people are just never satisfied. Why doesnt Iphone come with a bigger screen!!!!! So Apple puts out a Iphone with a larger screen and what do they say? "Oh, Galaxy Note has had bigger screens for YEARS!!!!! Ok, well you complained about it, it got solved, what more do you want?
Do you truly believe these are very same people? Can you point at anyone who first said this and later that?
 
So pleased to learn that this is where Jony Ive has spent his time, redesigning Apple Stores! Maybe he could devote a little time to some actual products.
The Apple store in Jacksonville is too small and congested. I only go when there is a major new product release to get hands on time with the device. Since Apple has had relatively little in major new releases it's hard to care about the "store experience".
 
You're not supposed to call it a store. It's an enlightened destination ;)

They need to install stained glass and light some incense.

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True, but it's close to trolling; they mention it relentlessly, every which way they can.
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WE are getting trolled in the continuing Apple-controlled good news show.
It is scripted to keep us customers relaxed while the Board can sit in its comfortzone.
Stop VP's taking selfies in new stores with ageing inventory.
Save the company.
Spread Phase Red for complacency and neglect.
 
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True, but it's close to trolling; they mention it relentlessly, every which way they can.

I understand people who have older machines, which they use for their livelihood, and don't feel that the current spec justifies paying that much -- especially if there's an update around the corner. That's absolutely fair enough and I agree with them.

But a lot of people seem to be acting like it's completely the end of the world and will hammer the issue wherever possible. You know the ones; you see them in almost every thread. As if they can't do anything on their current Macs that will suddenly change when they're refreshed with better specs. I question how many of the persistent whiners actually own a Mac.


Bingo! Leo Laporte, who has taken to regularly bashing Apple since they stopped inviting him to their events, was repeating this same meme, when even he stopped to admit, "but I guess if we are honest, we'd struggle to find anything you can't do with the existing laptops, etc."
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WE are getting trolled in the continuing Apple-controlled good news show.
It is scripted to keep us customers relaxed while the Board can sit in its comfortzone.
Stop VP's taking selfies in new stores with ageing inventory.
Save the company.
Spread Phase Red for complacency and neglect.


Yes, please save the company and get on with firing Cook, Cue and Ive and the lot of them for heaven's sake. Who cares if they just built Apple into the most valuable company on earth with the most revenue, or that they are spending over 10 billion dollars this year on R&D, they obviously are a complacent, neglectful and incompetent group that needs to go.
 
I think I'm looking forward to the MBP updates more to silence the haters, than actually look to buy one.
I'm almost to the point of going the other way, and hoping they don't update for a couple more years, just out of spite towards the whiners.
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So antiseptic and so sterile, sterile.
Uh, you want some blood on the walls and a sacrificial altar maybe? Glowing toxic sludge on the floor? Can I interest you in some very fine Doom levels instead?
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Can Thousand Oaks please reopen? Its been over 5 months and its getting extremely irritating how busy the surrounding stores are. The earliest I can make a Genius Bar appointment for is next Thursday at my 5 surrounding stores.
You know, some folks would see that very much as a First World Problem, having half a dozen Apple stores within driving distance - some folks don't even have one (I can't complain, I have two close by and several more if I'm willing to drive for half an hour).
 
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You know, some folks would see that very much as a First World Problem, having half a dozen Apple stores within driving distance - some folks don't even have one (I can't complain, I have two close by and several more if I'm willing to drive for half an hour).

Its not like the 5 stores are in walking distance. They are about 30-40 minutes apart from one another, more with traffic. I had to drive an 80 mile round trip to a store just to have them look at the home button my on GF's phone. Then I had to wait 3 hours for a standby appointment because the next available appointment was in 8 days. Can't access a phone without a home button working on iOS 10, so makes it almost impossible to use the device for school and work, and having to wait 8 days for an appointment is a little ridiculous. Apple shouldn't be closing down stores for remodel unless surrounding stores can handle it, and clearly they can't.
 
The one thing that I have always wondered why Apple does not address is all the wires. In the store they have that curly power cord going into the table and then all these wires on the table. You would think they could do that to look better in an Apple way.
The wires on the table are both power and theft deterrence (they've got an extra little attachment on the back). They could alternatively bolt the devices down, but they want people to be able to pick them up and play with them (remember the old days of retail, where the device was locked inside a sort of sheet metal cage, and you couldn't reach all the controls, much less get a feel for how much it weighs?). The cord under the table, yeah, I suppose they could run one up a table leg to hide it better, but it doesn't bother me much. I suppose the ideal might be to have a hydrogen fuel cell attached to the underside of each table, so they could be completely wireless.
 
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Have you seen these workers at the store? You must be blind. They are constantly working under pressure to be faster, from entitled narcissist customers and managers constantly pushing them left and right up and down. Yet from glass door their pay is laughable.
The pay at the one I worked at as a part-time Specialist (10-15 hours a week) was more than most asst. managers at the other stores in that mall. Apple did other perks, like giving all employees monthly parking passes for the garage (or reimbursed them for a monthly public transportation pass), something no other retailer in that mall did.

We were never pushed to go faster. If anything, the opposite. "Make it transformational, not transactional."

The people I heard bitch about their pay the most were the kids that worked there through college. They liked the job and many didn't want to leave after graduating, but the reality was that it's still retail and it's not going to pay as much as they could make at most jobs from their field of study.

For a good amount of people at the store I worked at (like me), this was a second job. It was only a few shifts a week, it was a lot of fun, and the pay was significantly more than any other retailer in the area.
 
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Bingo! Leo Laporte, who has taken to regularly bashing Apple since they stopped inviting him to their events, was repeating this same meme, when even he stopped to admit, "but I guess if we are honest, we'd struggle to find anything you can't do with the existing laptops, etc."
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Yes, please save the company and get on with firing Cook, Cue and Ive and the lot of them for heaven's sake. Who cares if they just built Apple into the most valuable company on earth with the most revenue, or that they are spending over 10 billion dollars this year on R&D, they obviously are a complacent, neglectful and incompetent group that needs to go.

If 10 Billion dollars in R&D results in:

- 'cool' watch bands
- new watchOS that's is still slow
- last generation technology
- last generation software
- last generation design
- flaky online services

... It is more worse than I thought.
 
If 10 Billion dollars in R&D results in:

- 'cool' watch bands
- new watchOS that's is still slow
- last generation technology
- last generation software
- last generation design
- flaky online services

... It is more worse than I thought.


The word "generation" doesn't mean what you think it means. Not enough time to unpack all of these fallacies, but just for one example re services. Apple's services s doing so well and growing so much that in the last quarter services brought in more revenue than all of Facebook and in next year Apple services revenue alone would be listed as a Fortune 100 Company.
 
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Next generation store. Last generation products.

I don't know. They call their products next generation even though we all know they aren't.

As far as the stores, their "next generation" design language is straight out of a crappy Burberry boutique that's selling an image rather than a product. For a company like Apple where you want to go in and experience the product, the new stores are moving the wrong direction.
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The point of that article is Apple is not just wasting the R&D money, therefore they're working on something big, therefore APPLE CAR!!!!.

It's pure wild speculation based on nothing but the writer's wishful thinking.

And even if true, Apple is spending 10's of billions of dollars on R&D while letting their core tech stagnate. Even if that money is going into a car, they've already failed based on money spent. If they sell a million cars a year at a profit of $10,000 each, that's $10 billion a year in profit. It will take years to recoup their R&D hole, while in the meantime they still have to keep pumping money into R&D to keep the car up to date. And even if that does work out for them, $10 billion a year is a blip on Apple's balance sheet.

And that's if they sell a huge number of cars. The top selling car in the world, the Toyota Corolla, sells 1.3 million cars a year, so 1 million for Apple within a few years is beyond optimistic. Keep in mind, Apple is currently 3 times the size of Toyota and 12 times the since of General Motors. Even if they do dominate the automotive space, it's just not worth their effort. And there is almost zero chance of beating GM and Toyota at their own game just by pumping in a few 10's of billions of dollars.

TL;DR. Even if Apple is wildly successful beyond imagination, it will take years to break even on the R&D hole and never be more than a minor blip on their current balance sheet.
 
It's pure wild speculation based on nothing but the writer's wishful thinking.
Right, and the post that generated that response was pure wild speculation based on nothing but the poster's wishful thinking.

What's the saying? One pure wild speculation based on nothing deserves another... :)
 
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