Apple-Opposed 'Investigatory Powers' Surveillance Bill Moves Closer to Legality in UK

[CelestialToys]

I'd like to blame Canada here for your complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution and moreover, for being unable to grasp the significance of the continued erosion of the fundamental human right to privacy. Canada, please educate your youth so in the future we don't have totally uninformed pro-authoritarian views like this expressed.


My personal view is that Apple should stop selling products in the UK, and offer the UK government to create a special "Ultra-surveillance" equipped phone that has cameras on every side and never stops recording but that will only be sold to idiot british citizens who couldn't care less about their government becoming a police state but are highly concerned about there global implications of prawnhub on the world at large. Call it the iBrit

Did you really just make sweeping generalisations about Canadian and British folk?

There are plenty of us in both countries that are in agreement with you about the problems caused by the enactment of laws like this, probably best not to alienate us with such comments. It just shows your complete lack of understanding for both countries.

 

[garirry]

Canada, please educate your youth so in the future we don't have totally uninformed pro-authoritarian views like this expressed.

Excuse me?

You're the one to speak, Americans. You have possibly the ********* most corrupt education in the entire goddamn universe. You're the ones who are constantly uneducated and then put out blames like this. Of course, the Canadian education system is similarly a pile of crap, but it's nowhere near as bad as the crap that you silly brainwashed people have to live in. My god, more of the silly "urrrrgh all the other nations are BAAAAAAAD" when you're the ones who are probably the least educated in the entire universe.

 

[touchstoned]

Did you really just make sweeping generalisations about Canadian and British folk?

There are plenty of us in both countries that are in agreement with you about the problems caused by the enactment of laws like this, probably best not to alienate us with such comments. It just shows your complete lack of understanding for both countries.

No, I blamed Canada for polluting this forum with what I believe to be accurately described as "uninformed" views. Mostly, I was joking about that. The real source of the problem is the UK.


Anybody who understands anything about encryption and our current banking and telecom infrastructure would quickly see how stupid this neo-luddite UK bill is, even without the privacy implications the bill basically will allow any foreign criminal free reign on british civilian interests. I'm sure the French and Germans are laughing their asses off, while simultaneously every European cybercriminal... and probably most asian hackers ...are salivating at the proposition of the enforcement of such a ludicrous proposal.


I am honestly somewhat curious to see them enforce it, it will be funny to watch the chaos.

 

[Bigsk8r]

Oh Canada, don't get your panties in a bunch. You still have the best hockey teams in the NHL.

Oh, wait...

 

[Kabeyun]

Law enforcement can't get into our brains.

An excellent argument in favor of pass codes over biometrics.

 

[JoEw]

UK holds 1% of total population in the world, but holds 20% of total surveillance cameras in the world.
"The most watched nation"
Glad I live in Australia.

Doesn't Australia have country wide internet censorship?

 

[LovingTeddy]

Law enforcement can't get into our brains. What if the only information of a crime is in someone's brain? Is the government going to make someone build a machine that can read people's thoughts?

I would whole heartily support anything makes the whole society safer.

 

[Kabeyun]

I would whole heartily support anything makes the whole society safer.

Glad to hear it! In that case, please write down everything about yourself including travel history, contact list, sexual partners, names of friends and associates, family members, restaurants you frequent, work history, etc. and just publish here. Don't bother mailing it anywhere secure, like a police station, since all information eventually falls into the public domain anyway. Never know who's hiding what.

Hey, society needs to be safe, right?

 

[tongxinshe]

I strongly support government action and support against Apple turning this to PR show.

I strongly support government action require companies build back door for national security and anti terrorist purpose. Any company that build software cannot be accessed by law enforcement need be treat same as terrorist. They are building hardware and software used by terrorist and they are supporting terrorist. Apple's leader need change their course of action, otherwise, they should check charged as treason and support of terrorism.

Unrestricted power ferments corruption, absolute power leads to tyranny. Never pile too much power into any individual or entity's hands!

 

[lowendlinux]

UK holds 1% of total population in the world, but holds 20% of total surveillance cameras in the world.
"The most watched nation"
Glad I live in Australia.

Even my 10 year old noticed all the camera there.

 

[bigchrisfgb]

No need to worry, all the opposing parties in the UK are waiting until it gets to the House of Lords to shoot this bill down. It won't get passed the House of Lords, too many MP's wanting to vote against it.
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UK holds 1% of total population in the world, but holds 20% of total surveillance cameras in the world.
"The most watched nation"
Glad I live in Australia.

The vast majority of them are privately owned and operated on private land.
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Doesn't Australia have country wide internet censorship?

Special version of of GTA had to be made for the Australian market because the censorship is so strict there.

 

[keysofanxiety]

UK holds 1% of total population in the world, but holds 20% of total surveillance cameras in the world.
"The most watched nation"
Glad I live in Australia.

Hey, it's not perfect. But when I walk out my door, I'd rather get shot by a camera than shot by a firearm.

Don't get me wrong, though: this bill and everything about it is an abhorrent move. Once again, politicians are demonstrating they know nothing about technology, blindly bend over to 'terrorist' buzzwords, and don't give a flying hoot about citizens' privacy.

 

[skinned66]

I'd like to blame Canada here for your complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution and moreover, for being unable to grasp the significance of the continued erosion of the fundamental human right to privacy. Canada, please educate your youth so in the future we don't have totally uninformed pro-authoritarian views like this expressed.

Canada's education system is working just fine. I would argue that there are more people in the US that have a complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution based population alone but I'd be willing to add some of the laws and abuses of it that have been approved by lawmakers and the courts.

From my personal experience Canadians are not pro-authoritarian in the slightest; of course there are always exceptions.

My personal view is that Apple should stop selling products in the UK, and offer the UK government to create a special "Ultra-surveillance" equipped phone that has cameras on every side and never stops recording but that will only be sold to idiot british citizens who couldn't care less about their government becoming a police state but are highly concerned about there global implications of prawnhub on the world at large. Call it the iBrit

I'd really like to see this happen but money will make sure it doesn't.
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I would whole heartily support anything makes the whole society safer.

I can't say I agree. I appreciate a safe(er) society like anyone else but the methodology has limits. We're not going to take everyone's forks away or bubble wrap everybody just because it would make society safer.

Similarly, encryption exists for good reason and its societal benefits outweigh its usage by ne'er do wells to justify its weakening.

 

[Justim]

How bleeping cool is the name 'House of Lords'?! The UK has all the cool things.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Glad to hear it! In that case, please write down everything about yourself including travel history, contact list, sexual partners, names of friends and associates, family members, restaurants you frequent, work history, etc. and just publish here. Don't bother mailing it anywhere secure, like a police station, since all information eventually falls into the public domain anyway. Never know who's hiding what.

Hey, society needs to be safe, right?

I think Google knows answer for most of these questions. Government just need ask Google for that.

Well.. I got nothing to hide from government, so I do not mind tell government any of these. If they need access my file and my history, I would tell them.

I don't mind government access my phone, access my browsing history. Because if they want to, they can.

 

[Kaibelf]

I strongly support government action and support against Apple turning this to PR show.

I strongly support government action require companies build back door for national security and anti terrorist purpose. Any company that build software cannot be accessed by law enforcement need be treat same as terrorist. They are building hardware and software used by terrorist and they are supporting terrorist. Apple's leader need change their course of action, otherwise, they should check charged as treason and support of terrorism.

Where did Apple or any company pledge to serve as an arm for any specific government? How are they committing treason? Are they a defense contractor? No, you just want the US to be similar to whatever bizarre despotic wasteland you actually hail from.

 

[Kabeyun]

I think Google knows answer for most of these questions. Government just need ask Google for that.

Well.. I got nothing to hide from government, so I do not mind tell government any of these. If they need access my file and my history, I would tell them.

I don't mind government access my phone, access my browsing history. Because if they want to, they can.

I've posted this before. We shouldn't be in the least surprised that governments don't care about privacy. Citizens like you don't, so why should they? Pity.

Meanwhile, Mr. I-Don't-Care-If-The-State-Monitors-Me-Because-I-Think-I-Have-Nothing-To-Hide-And-I-Trust-That-Whoever-Gets-Their-Hands-On-My-Personal-Information-Will-Be-Benevolent, post your address so They can bug your home. Nothing to hide, right?

 

[thermodynamic]

Apple hates it because Apple cannot benefit from it. Apple really want daddy government to spoonfeed them with everything, don't they while complaining nobody understands them and how regulations hurt profits and the rest of their cant. Sorry to paraphrase an article that used similar verbiage in an erroneous claim about what Sanders supporters want because they are too cowardly to really talk about issues:

http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/06/08/trump-appeals-disenfranchised-bernie-supporters/
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Tim needs to put on his big boy pants and pull out of the UK. We'll see how fast these politicians cave.

Apple does not run the UK. Does Apple believe it should?

Why do people believe that companies running government is okay? Did company names appear on the ballot box? Perhaps company names should, for future reference and to ensure we're all on the same page?

 

[vvswarup]

I think Google knows answer for most of these questions. Government just need ask Google for that.

Well.. I got nothing to hide from government, so I do not mind tell government any of these. If they need access my file and my history, I would tell them.

I don't mind government access my phone, access my browsing history. Because if they want to, they can.

If you want to hand over your information to the government, be my guest, but don't expect everyone else to do so. If the government is going to come to me and say that it needs my information to keep me safe, I'm going to ask for proof as to how handing over my info helps keep me safe.

Do you really think weakening encryption is going to do anything to help law enforcement catch criminals? They'll just do like they've always done-find a workaround. If mainstream services/devices like iPhones or Android devices don't have encryption, they'll find something that does. Encryption isn't some highly guarded secret. The end result will be that weakening encryption will do nothing to catch the worst of the worst. At best, they'll catch some small-time criminal who was stupid enough to carry out their activities where they can get caught easily. Meanwhile, the rest of us who want encryption to protect only our credit card numbers, health information and other sensitive data will be forced to do without.

 

[ScottishDuck]

I mean the European Supreme Court won't let th- oh right the idiots in this country are voting out of the EU.

 

[LovingTeddy]

I've posted this before. We shouldn't be in the least surprised that governments don't care about privacy. Citizens like you don't, so why should they? Pity.

Meanwhile, Mr. I-Don't-Care-If-The-State-Monitors-Me-Because-I-Think-I-Have-Nothing-To-Hide-And-I-Trust-That-Whoever-Gets-Their-Hands-On-My-Personal-Information-Will-Be-Benevolent, post your address so They can bug your home. Nothing to hide, right?

I am sorry, you are not the government.. There is no reason for me to tell you my address. I won't mind government know my address p, becuase they already know that. You tell your address to government when applying drivers license, you tell your address to government when you applying social securities. Do you really think you can stop government when it has full determination on doing so?

I am sorry, no matter what Apple or other techn company do, they won't able to stop the FBI nor they won't stop government implementing any policies.

I don't believe in people can stop anything, if you can, you guys could stop lots of stupid policy or things government did.

I don't care anymore, if government want to that, I could care less. If government want my data, then take them. If I cannot stop government do crap, then I why not use government to my benefit? If we cannot stop government implements policy that use bulk surveillance, then we should use it for our benefit: help us safer.
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If you want to hand over your information to the government, be my guest, but don't expect everyone else to do so. If the government is going to come to me and say that it needs my information to keep me safe, I'm going to ask for proof as to how handing over my info helps keep me safe.

Do you really think weakening encryption is going to do anything to help law enforcement catch criminals? They'll just do like they've always done-find a workaround. If mainstream services/devices like iPhones or Android devices don't have encryption, they'll find something that does. Encryption isn't some highly guarded secret. The end result will be that weakening encryption will do nothing to catch the worst of the worst. At best, they'll catch some small-time criminal who was stupid enough to carry out their activities where they can get caught easily. Meanwhile, the rest of us who want encryption to protect only our credit card numbers, health information and other sensitive data will be forced to do without.

If you put any of your sensitive data in your phone, then you are fool. I never out my password, bank information on my phone. I never register online banking or download any online banking app.

I strongly support what Obama said. There should be a balance between encryption and ability of law enforcement across to information. If there is absolutely unbreakable encryption, how to you make sure these thing won't fall into terrorist hand? What do you do when government use this as way to against us? Have you ever though other side?

I am sorry. I fully support any law that requiring tech company allow government access to their software. But I also think there should be an oversight on that.

 

[Doctor Q]

Calling it the "software equivalent of cancer" is a great way to stir the masses to your side of the argument!

 

[Kabeyun]

I am sorry, you are not the government.. There is no reason for me to tell you my address. I won't mind government know my address p, becuase they already know that. You tell your address to government when applying drivers license, you tell your address to government when you applying social securities. Do you really think you can stop government when it has full determination on doing so?

I am sorry, no matter what Apple or other techn company do, they won't able to stop the FBI nor they won't stop government implementing any policies.

I don't believe in people can stop anything, if you can, you guys could stop lots of stupid policy or things government did.

I don't care anymore, if government want to that, I could care less. If government want my data, then take them. If I cannot stop government do crap, then I why not use government to my benefit? If we cannot stop government implements policy that use bulk surveillance, then we should use it for our benefit: help us safer.

This is so morally and factually incorrect I'm not sure where to begin. Regardless, you didn't get it: I only wanted you to post your address as an ironic lead in to the suggestion that someone should bug your home. Cameras, microphones, the whole smash. Since you've decided to give up on the principles of privacy, liberty, and even dignity because the government can't be stopped you'll have no problem with them listening in 24/7.

That's a shame.

 

[LovingTeddy]

This is so morally and factually incorrect I'm not sure where to begin. Regardless, you didn't get it: I only wanted you to post your address as an ironic lead in to the suggestion that someone should bug your home. Cameras, microphones, the whole smash. Since you've decided to give up on the principles of privacy, liberty, and even dignity because the government can't be stopped you'll have no problem with them listening in 24/7.

That's a shame.

Again.. Government knows more about you than you think. And again, government knows my address and government has yet give my any troubles.

Government can get any information from your camera, your computer, your hard drives with court order.

Government is already monitoring your phone calls, texting messages.

Principle of privacy and liberty is conditional, not absolute. You get all these law limit our liberty because greater good, for example, striping your liberty driving after drinking.

I believe if theee is legit reason and for greater good for the society, liberty canbe limited.

And for privacy, there is no privacy from Internet. All the information passes through third party and their party knows that. How is your information is private when someone else know about it?

 

[iigsie]

Again.. Government knows more about you than you think. And again, government knows my address and government has yet give my any troubles.

Government can get any information from your camera, your computer, your hard drives with court order.

Government is already monitoring your phone calls, texting messages.

Principle of privacy and liberty is conditional, not absolute. You get all these law limit our liberty because greater good, for example, striping your liberty driving after drinking.

I believe if theee is legit reason and for greater good for the society, liberty canbe limited.

And for privacy, there is no privacy from Internet. All the information passes through third party and their party knows that. How is your information is private when someone else know about it?

You're completely misunderstanding what has been put to you.

If a master key exists for every lock it effectively renders the lock useless. If I obtain that master key I can access every door in the world. A criminals dream.

Your thinking essentially equates to castrating all males because some are paedophiles and rapists. Or to take a more popular example, some Muslims are terrorists so let's ban Islam.

Let's take this further. Some people commit crimes in their own houses, so let's install CCTV in all citizens houses.

You're assuming the whole world is like you, which it clearly isn't otherwise encryption wouldn't exist