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Funny, Apple whining about someone suing it for using technology it invented.... Yea right.

Apparently Apple didnt invent the technology...This other firm was issued the patent for it. Seems they were first, or the company that they obtained the patent from was first. Apple's just mad that they got caught and their army of millionaire lawyers couldnt find a way to get them off the hook. Pay up.

Maybe they can do what samsung did, pay in nickels.
Samsung hasn't paid, and most certainly did not pay in pennies. That's a bunk story. And IMO, by the time appeals are done, Samsung isn't going to owe anything.

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I predict that Smartfish will lose big time on appeal.

Call me psychic, but the 'court' in Texas is notorious for doing this.
Of course you do...
 
Why would Apple believe 4.5 million dollars was a fair settlement if they truly believe they did not infringe upon these patents in the first place?

Oh that's right, what's a few measley million dollars when it will save us from paying out 1/2 a billion dollars in the long run.

The "scales of justice" in 2015.

$4.5 million is what it costs just to tie up Apple's time on stuff like this.. It's basically "handout" money.

The stupid thing about these patents is that Apple has already paid out money for "iTunes stores" and "encrypted shopping carts" to plenty of other patent holders... How are these guys patents original or not infringing on all the others???. The beautiful thing about the g'damn software patents is that about twenty people submitted variations on the same "encrypted one-click shopping cart on the Internet" at the same time and it was the PTO's official policy to do **** reviews and "let the courts sort it out" while collecting fat filing fees.
 
Well thanks for "breaking it down" for me :rolleyes: This is a forum. I state my opinion.

Let me break something down for you.

...again with the contradictions... someone else pointed out your earlier contradiction. That's when you do something like condemn "A", then proceed to do that exact thing. Such as ridiculing the "break down" of your comment and then proceeding to "break down" someone else's...


I never said it was or was not OK for Apple to do the same. It certainly wasn't a justification. It was a statement.

Another fun term: Context. You didn't have to come out and literally type "It's OK for Apple to do xyz".... but in context with the rest of what you said, the idea was that "we can't rush to the conclusion that the plaintiff is in the wrong" and supporting evidence was "Apple has done it too". A typical and logical linking of those to statements would be that "Apple (and the plaintiff) are not necessarily in the wrong for doing it"

Who here knows enough about the plaintiff and the case to determine whether or not they are "trolling." Who here knows how much R&D they did to arrive at their patent. How much money they spent. Whether or not they plan on doing something with it in the future.

Apple seems to know as they made claims of such. It doesn't take much googling of the company to figure out what they are (and aren't) up to. The fact that they want to keep the trial in a specific city in TX that is notorious for favoring their side, they produce no products (That I could find), and call themselves a "...technology development and licensing corporation" is damning evidence IMO. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...."

These are not justifications or defending the plaintiff. They are questions that illustrate, again, that commenting on the nature is conjecture.

Yet here we are.... still commenting. Welcome to the Macrumors. This is a site built around commenting on conjecture! I can't believe I have to point that out...
 
Worked up? Furious? Angry? over a forum discussion of patents that have nothing to do with you? Find a new hobby. :D

Considering that I own AAPL stock and I personally know people who have been screwed over by patent trolls—yeah I think that it has something to do with me. The whole system needs to be reworked.

Perhaps you should find a better hobby than making incorrect assumptions about people you do not know while telling them what to do on the internet.
 
The same can be said of any defendant, as well. But I have some personal/professional experience with this. And when you venue shop to East Texas it generally means that you're smart enough to know that your case is better served if the law isn't necessarily applied equally...

You're injecting your personal experiences and biases into your assumption. The fact that they are going through this court proves nothing other than they know how to pick a court that will give them the best chances of winning.
 
Considering that I own AAPL stock and I personally know people who have been screwed over by patent trolls—yeah I think that it has something to do with me. The whole system needs to be reworked.

Perhaps you should find a better hobby than making incorrect assumptions about people you do not know while telling them what to do on the internet.

Perhaps you should learn to chill. :rolleyes:
I own Apple stock too. And??
 
Funny, Apple whining about someone suing it for using technology it invented.... Yea right.

Apparently Apple didnt invent the technology...This other firm was issued the patent for it. Seems they were first, or the company that they obtained the patent from was first. Apple's just mad that they got caught and their army of millionaire lawyers couldnt find a way to get them off the hook. Pay up.

Maybe they can do what samsung did, pay in nickels.



Uh oh. They didn't!


http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/samsung.asp
 
Regardless of what you think about the claim that Apple violated patents, the plaintiff is just doing what other companies, including Apple, do — they're using the legal system to their advantage, and that includes filing in a jurisdiction where others have had success with similar claims. Personally, I think that the patent system is in need of an overhaul, especially as it applies to software, but that's a different matter.
 
The term patent troll really irks me. Let's see how happy you are when someone uses your work without paying for it. People have a right to be compensated for their work.
 
You are wasting your time

I agree that these, so eloquently put by poster Robert.Walter, Extortionary Trolls are a blight on society. When a company exists solely to extort money through licensing or litigation, they bring no value to the equation. That's why it's so hard for me to have sympathy for Apple in this particular situation. Because based on what I bolded from your quote, Apple was just as guilty of this behavior as Smartflash.

1. Acquire patents from a failing or failed company - Nortel
2. Form a company that produces nothing - Rockstar Consortium
3. Sue large company for settlement or damages - Google & Samsung
4. File suit in patent holder friendly jurisdiction - Filed in East Texas

They've since backed away and divested themselves from Rockstar, but not before taking choice patents as a door prize. That doesn't change the fact they joined a group that spent $4.5 billion to do exactly what Smartflash is accused of doing. It's sort of hard to complain about patent trolls when you were recently one as well.

FYI - insider trading is both legal and illegal. http://www.sec.gov/answers/insider.htm

Dude. Don't waste your time. Rockstar is Apple's weird uncle that everyone knows about but no one will acknowledge his existence. He's an embarrassment best forgotten.;)
 
The term patent troll really irks me. Let's see how happy you are when someone uses your work without paying for it. People have a right to be compensated for their work.

The term patent troll isn't used to describe someone who legitimately tries to protect their work, but someone who is trying to game the system.
 
"Damages" is often hard to quantify. Just because the patent owner isn't using the technology themselves doesn't automatically mean they aren't entitled to their intellectual property.

Many found it hard to listen to Apple "complain" about how Samsung was damaging Apple's iPhone sales because of some of the patents mentioned while at the same time, Apple was touting record sales, profits, etc.

At the end of the day - the system is broken. But I do think that if someone comes up with a great idea - and they patent it - then they have the right to defend it.

In fact, I would actually say that patents aren't even valid UNTIL they are tested or challenged. Until then - it's just something "on paper."

There are two justifications for damages. One is that it gave Apple an unfair competitive advantage vs. the rights holder because Apple was able to introduce product features that made the rights owner or their legitimate licensees less competitive. That's clearly not the case here, as the patent holder neither makes products nor has licensed the rights to a significant Apple competitor. The other is that Apple did not negotiate in good faith to use an enabling technology. That should be the basis of the damages award. In that case, it's only worth the percentage of value that it brings to Apple products relative to other enabling technologies. That's why Apple says "$4.5M was fair." They are saying, "even were this legitimate, it would only represent a microscopic portion of the value of all the technologies we use; therefore, we would consider paying on that basis."
 
There are two justifications for damages. One is that it gave Apple an unfair competitive advantage vs. the rights holder because Apple was able to introduce product features that made the rights owner or their legitimate licensees less competitive. That's clearly not the case here, as the patent holder neither makes products nor has licensed the rights to a significant Apple competitor. The other is that Apple did not negotiate in good faith to use an enabling technology. That should be the basis of the damages award. In that case, it's only worth the percentage of value that it brings to Apple products relative to other enabling technologies. That's why Apple says "$4.5M was fair." They are saying, "even were this legitimate, it would only represent a microscopic portion of the value of all the technologies we use; therefore, we would consider paying on that basis."

Slippery slope (scenario #2) - how is that really determined?
 
Because based on what I bolded from your quote, Apple was just as guilty of this behavior as Smartflash.

1. Acquire patents from a failing or failed company - Nortel
2. Form a company that produces nothing - Rockstar Consortium
3. Sue large company for settlement or damages - Google & Samsung
4. File suit in patent holder friendly jurisdiction - Filed in East Texas

Nonsense. Apple vs. Google/Samsung is Godzilla vs. Mothra. Patent battles are one of the ways giant Megacorps fight for world domination. This is nothing like patent trolls, who are leeches that go after large and small companies alike. While Apple could choose to pay them off, patent trolls have happily put good companies out of business. You should applaud big companies like Apple who choose to fight; Apple may be doing this for their own reasons, but if Apple wins, these patent claims will be invalidated and small companies will benefit as well.

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Slippery slope (scenario #2) - how is that really determined?

Good point, but that's what courts are for. Not always competently in some cases, but that's the way of the world. :(
 
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