Apple is protecting ACTUAL USE OF PATENTS, while patent trolls are just .... patent trolls.
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Apple Ordered to Pay $625 Million in VirnetX Patent Dispute
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It is very amusing to follow threads like this.
You can see the usual users bashing Apple on every single aspect. Being software, hardware, marketing, politics ... it doesn't matter: they just post something negative about Apple and celebrate every negative outcome about it.
How could someone share some sympathy about patent trolls is really beyond my comprehension, but since Apple is the victim here, someone has to celebrate. Lol.
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They sued Samsung for blatant copy of their iPhone, not for the corners...
Take a look at Samsung phones before the iPhone and after the iPhone.... That's quite different.
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Indeed.
There are people criticizing Apple also there, Apple isn't perfect for sure, but it's far from the hysteria reached on this forum.
As of today actually NOT: Apple worth more than Alphabet again.
But this isn't a click bait news, so no one publicized it.
It's more likely that there are so many patents that Apple could *possibly* infringe that if they worried about every one they wouldn't produce any products at all (or they would be bad products). The system is now basically broken - it assigns ownership of every small idea to an individual who can then extort large sums of money, well beyond the intrinsic value of the idea.
Actually, if you read up on Samsungs history, you'll find they're in a league all of their own.
You can start with this one.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/06/apple-samsung-smartphone-patent-war
When your wealth creates the impression that you are above the law, codes of moral decency and turns you into a rotten Apple.
But equally you see those that will defend apple even if they don't pay taxes, copy and steal from other companies, release bad hardware and software or just have a device or service thats not that good...
APPL is currently sat at 520bn, GOOGL is currently sat at 537bn - doesnt look like click bait to me..!
but its clearly a big deal to you, for the rest of us - in the most we really really dont care unless apple are going to give aware free stuff to us if they reverse it around.
In your dreams
How can they claim to protect and steal at the same time..?
I agree, patents themselves should not be worth anything. If you have patent then you should be protected from competition while the patent is valid. If you don't make a product then there is no competition, and therefor no value.
What nonsense. If your 'idea' does not lead to a specific product, then you shouldn't be able to make money out of it. There is a lot of material on the debate about software patterns — look it up. It is one thing to protect a particular design or implementation, but stuff like this https://www.google.com/patents/US7921211 ? Sorry, this is just ridiculous. Any graduate-level compsci student can design a system like that (and will, if needed) without any knowledge of that particular patent. I am sure that the software I wrote infringes on dozens of trivial patens like those. It doesn't have anything to do with inventing. Its simply trying to rip people off.
P.S. About startups and losses. If you have a startup that develops a highly involved, specific image analysis algorithm and that startup goes bust, sure, they can and should be able to sell their algorithm to whoever is interested. But if all their work boils down to a patent along the lines of "extracting information from images by evaluating a statistics over sub-areas of the image and subsequently applying decision theory" — that is plain and simple trying to cheat people off their money. See how long it took me to come up with a patent like that?
If it's so simple, and a judge, jury, and numerous experts and academics that were paraded before the two thought it was worth over $600million, then why don't you go do it? Sure, a graduate comp-sci student can make it today, but that's not in inquiry at all. Was it so easy for such a student in 1998, the date of that patent you linked? This was right at the beginning of the Windows 98 / NT4 era. It was not at all so easy then.
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Suppose you want to sell your patent to someone who makes the product? Why should they pay you anything, licensing or otherwise, knowing that as long as the patent is in your hands you can't enforce it agains them or anyone?
Maybe in your dreams
http://www.dogsofthedow.com/largest-companies-by-market-cap.htm
http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/03/apple-most-valuable-company-in-the-world/
As of today Apple is first at $534 bln, Alphabet second at $515 bln. Check your sources before posting dude...
And please quote my post where I defended Apple over taxes payment, or I'll call you liar and report you to moderators for false accusation.
So if there is something apple has got a patent on (touch sensitive bezels isn't it?) We saw that one a few years back.
As they have patented it, but not used it.
Therefore I should be able to use that idea in the product I'm going to be selling very soon, as Apple are just sitting on it and not using it?
Yes?
My source is the NASDAQ...! Dates and times are on the images.
Opps!!!!!! but you really proved my point.. and pls be accurate with comments around calling you names. At no point did i use the work "liar", I'm not name calling at all, internet bullying or posting with the sole purpose of trying to illicit a response from ANYONE, or for the sake of an argument. I'm more than happy for ANY company to protect it's IP, but when you have a very aggressive approach to using the courts to get your way people can't get upset when that company is taken to court the same way.
Google - 537Bn in Pre-market.
AAPL - 523Bn now in pre-market
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Show me where it is written that if you invent something and get a patent for said invention, that you actually have to make something. There are lots of entities that invent things solely to sell them to people who want to use them. Apple simply didnt want to pay to use someone else's invention, while other companies have licensed Virnet's tech. Calling them a troll is ridiculous.
The fact of "pre-market" counts for nothing to most, it's just the state the stocks on the exchange are in at the time of the screen print in order to provide those that understand the market with context
I doubt some will get the irony - nothing can be said about a certain fruit company.. People comment about mindless apple haters, what about mindless apple lovers? or maybe the issue is just mindless in general.
This is about Patents remember unless Jobs managed to patent the NASDAQ and the daily changes?
I doubt some will get the irony - nothing can be said about a certain fruit company.. People comment about mindless apple haters, what about mindless apple lovers? or maybe the issue is just mindless in general.
This is about Patents remember unless Jobs managed to patent the NASDAQ and the daily changes?
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I'm not a shareholder, I don't really care, but I posted the real quotation just to demonstrate that the celebration for "Apple is doomed" I'm seeing on the forum in these days are utterly ridiculous and speak about the presence of some users here...The fact of "pre-market" counts for nothing to most, it's just the state the stocks on the exchange are in at the time of the screen print in order to provide those that understand the market with context
I doubt some will get the irony - nothing can be said
No one is celebrating anything as far as i can see and like you say no one but brokers care about the stock price.
Its an indication of nothing important. if it was a measure on software or hardware quality, or the level of bugs in the code people would be over the moon.
Its an indication of nothing important. if it was a measure on software or hardware quality, or the level of bugs in the code people would be over the moon.
Maybe, and I remark the word maybe, you aren't celebrating, but there are people really celebrating. I could point out the names, but it would be against forum rules and I'll be banned then...
If you are intellectually honest, you can see it by yourself on this and a few other threads
Wall Street indications say nothing about the quality of a company, being Apple or Google.
But the headline "Google surpassed Apple " was a remarkable click bait, and it worked well...
Talk about a "SlipperySlop"! How are you or anyone else qualified to decide who has "too much money" or what someone else should do with the money they earned within the constraints of our free market economy. Get off your high unicorn before someone decides how much money YOU should be allowed to have and what you can and can't do with it. I think you're in the wrong country, mate. Try China.