He clearly says 'We invented multitouch'. He lied. Bill Buxton in the 80s invented it.
There's no defending Jobs / Apple here. Why event attempt to do so?
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He clearly says 'We invented multitouch'. He lied. Bill Buxton in the 80s invented it.
There's no defending Jobs / Apple here. Why event attempt to do so?
He clearly could have misspoke in a live demo. However it’s no lie they invented their version of multitouch the same as they invented their version of finger print reader, mo3 player etc.
If you don’t agree Apple does not promulgate the idea they “invented everything” we’ll just go around in circles.
Why again is this relevant in this thread!
No, he lied. He didn't misspeak. Jobs spent time rehearsing scripts for the presentations. He clearly lied and meant to lie.
Apple didn't invent their own version of multitouch even if you want to makeup stories; they bought out a company called Fingerworks that already did work on multitouch. Then Jobs claimed THEY themselves invented. Neither Apple nor Fingerworks invented multitouch because again; Bill Buxton invented it in the 80s.
Prove he lied.
If one has an agenda to disparage apple with the remark: "Apple claims it invents all technologies". This clip is cited then a illogical, general falsehood is claimed.
But it all depends on whether one believes (and others believe) Jobs lied or misspoke. Either way there is no further proof of this. All subjective.
And what again is the relevance to this thread.
We buy the smartphone once in 3-5 years, don't we?
Imagine having to pay the propriety price month after month, year after year for medicines discovered/designed even 100 years ago. The patent office gives them a new patent every time - all they do is change one element at one end that has no consequence to the action of the drug - and voila, they get to charge hundreds of dollars instead of cents! This has more impact on us that stupid phones
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Same with patents of anything electronic - finger print reader using a different algorithm - new patent.
If we want to give the benefit of doubt to Jobs and Gates, we can say that they just claimed that their version of what they stole from Xerox is different, unique in functions, etc.
Same with multitouch technology - or more recently, whatever nonsense Apple and Qualcomm are fighting over that prevents iPhones being sold by injunction!
Imagine having to pay the propriety price month after month, year after year for medicines discovered/designed even 100 years ago. The patent office gives them a new patent every time - all they do is change one element at one end that has no consequence to the action of the drug - and voila, they get to charge hundreds of dollars instead of cents! This has more impact on us that stupid phones
!Same with patents of anything electronic - finger print reader using a different algorithm - new patent.
If we want to give the benefit of doubt to Jobs and Gates, we can say that they just claimed that their version of what they stole from Xerox is different, unique in functions, etc
.Same with multitouch technology - or more recently, whatever nonsense Apple and Qualcomm are fighting over that prevents iPhones being sold by injunction
!Qualcomm is really pissing Apple off now. If I were Apple I would get a couple of investors together and hostile takeover their ass. They should be glad we’re not in the 80s.
Lol ok then when the 1k iPhone looses reception while a 130€ LG has two bars left, just blame it on bad infrastructure to feel better about it
If we only want to based things at the root level only, then lets also then say noting is really inveted anymore, because we all copy from everyone else... too
There is a different between invented for the masses, and invented "for iPhone" which was Tim was going for... When mention TouchID, you don't announce someone else's credit on stage at YOUR event.. Its looks bad saying "i' not giving credit here", but we know all its not from Apple..
Samsung displays are used in iPhone, but Tim wan' announce they bit on stage. It's not a lie, as there is proof out there IF users wanna look it up. Tim doesn't seem t think that would be a main concern of WWDC attendees to know who makes this display ? Why would they care? It's not like they would not create apps for iPhone, because "Tim said on stage out displays are made by Samsung"
I don't think that really matters when it comes to developing.
Lol ok then when the 1k iPhone looses reception while a 130€ LG has two bars left, just blame it on bad infrastructure to feel better about it
Still pretty sure it's the US, why do you hear so few problems from other parts of the world!
Not quite true, when I compare the 6s and Xs in terms of coverage. 6s gets more coverage. So it’s more to do with coverage and intel isn’t quite there yet.
This is hogwash, and completely false.
This doesn't even take account that Xs supports more LTE bands. Certain carriers like T-Mobile will have the best performance on the newest model simply because of things like 600Mhz spectrum being supported vs a phone that does not.
I agree, he’s reaching. Steve Jobs’ lying was extreme and famous, he lied to himself especially. His entire “reality distortion field” is grounded in it. Problem is, he didn’t know it was a lie, he was delusional. Doesn’t matter how many times he practiced the speech, Steve was not the type of man to listen to anyone in Apple telling him it’s not real. His belief in his delusions was strong enough that it made others believe it too.
To an outsider it might be a lie, to him, it’s the truth. Just a matter of view. Personally I wouldn’t call a delusional person a liar, because a lie literally must be intentional. Still, I can see how they could be perceived as one. Ultimately it’s a matter of semantics / perspective.
Yep and provided possible other scenarios other than “lying”. What one believes is on them, however Apple does not have this endemic history of lying. YMMV.
you and the original thread are confusing words.
"INVENT" an "INNOVATE" are sometimes used incorrectly and use din place of one another.
When something is invented. it's a first. there is no other before. To create or design something that has not existed before.
When something is innovated it's change, updated, or modified to accomplish something in a new or unique way.
Apple did NOT invent multi-touch nor it's derivatives no matter how you want to spin it. Apple bought a multi-touch technology that already existed and innovated it's use into a smartphone.
to use the word Invent in this context would be lying. To use the word innovate in this context would be truthful.
trying to say something is "invented for the masses" vs "Invented for the iPhone" is misleading. And this was likely the intention behind the original push of "Boy did we patent it" with the attempt to mislead without outright lying that many of the innovations that Apple did, were their inventions.
Apple was always a great innovator. However, if you look through Apple's history, they rarely ever invented.
you are right that no company gets on stage at their own events and hands over credit to their competitors. that's foolish. But it's also ethically questionable to try and imply credit to yourself if it's not the full truth.
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I'm sorry, I don't pass of lies as just delusion to hand wave them away.
in fact, it's almost even more troubling. Because a Delusion is just a lie one has convinced himself of. if one cannot tell his own lies from truth, that is a serious problem.
I don't know if Jobs was delusional. That's some armchair psychology. its best not to do so. But you are right that Steve Jobs, for the pedestal everyone wants to put him on, had a history of lieing if it suited him or Apple. He lied about the industry when it suited him, heck, he even lied about his daughter for a short while and originally told her she wasn't his.
anyone who claims he didn't lie to serve his interest might very well be delusional. But then again, lets not armchair diagnose
iPhone 6s getting more coverage - is this a scientific fact or presumption that Qualcomm's modem is faster? Both modems are way faster than available speeds.
Was this during Steve Job's 'shroom phase?
Was this during Steve Job's 'shroom phase?
lol, actually yes! But it also occurred more recently. It is known that Steve Jobs used to request impossible to achieve technological features, that he didn't understand was impossible to do, and convinced others they could do it. Only for them to later realize, "wait, that's not actually possible." Which he refused to accept / listen to reality.
I'm sorry, I don't pass of lies as just delusion to hand wave them away.
in fact, it's almost even more troubling. Because a Delusion is just a lie one has convinced himself of. if one cannot tell his own lies from truth, that is a serious problem.
I don't know if Jobs was delusional. That's some armchair psychology. its best not to do so. But you are right that Steve Jobs, for the pedestal everyone wants to put him on, had a history of lieing if it suited him or Apple. He lied about the industry when it suited him, heck, he even lied about his daughter for a short while and originally told her she wasn't his.
anyone who claims he didn't lie to serve his interest might very well be delusional. But then again, lets not armchair diagnose
Indeed, hence I said he lied to himself mostly.
In truth, I imagine that many of his lies he was aware of, was done out of convenience / strategy, but I am certain he was delusional. Not guessing nor armchairing on that in particular. But it is indeed debatable on the topic of that speech if it were a delusion or not. Personally, I do not think this thread is so serious that armchairing on that should be avoided.
Not armchairing isn't absolutely best. I'm fine with either. So you say lets not, I say lets.
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When this evidence video is brought to the attention of people who say that Jobs never claimed Apple invented multitouch (there are people like this) they normally either go silent or eat humble pie. Normally