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All this focus on smaller is better. You guys can't possibly have girlfriends. ;) Bring it on bigger, bolder and with style. Think iMac that runs on batteries. :D
Small screen equals teeny tiny icons and text. They should provide a magnifying glass for some of these ultraportable machines.

'portable' iMac? WTF? Apparently you don't understand the appeal of having a small laptop... I'm going to speculate that you don't travel much nor have you been on a subway/commuter train recently...

Jacked up 80's Chevy pickup with 35" tires and no muffler? Hummer 2? yes.. bigger is better </sarcasm>
 
As usual, rampant over-speculation

The rumour simply states that Apple is ordering LED back-lights for 13.3" LCD screens.

From this, you guys manage to divine some incredible ultra-portable with SSD's, no disc-drives, &c., &c., &c. (ok, I know the "no optical drive" rumour has been floating around for a while, but still)

Lets consider a few points: 13.3" is the current size of the MacBook screen. Logic would suggest that the MacBook is the laptop destined to receive these new back-lights - no new model is necessary to explain this information.

"Ahhh, but..." I hear you say "what about the aluminium rumour?"

Ignoring the fact that that is a separate rumour from the current information, we can consider the following recently updated Apple products: the iMac, and the iPod (Classic). Both have switched from the white/black plastic to anodised aluminium. The only product still featuring said plastic in Apple's line-up is the MacBook (and, admittedly, the Mac Mini & Apple TV, but only on the top, which is presumably to facilitate Wi-Fi and Bluetooth signals).

We can surmise from this that Apple may, following the current trend, transition the MacBook to aluminium enclosures, which would be slimmer than the plastic, and, combined with the slimming effect of an LED back-light, would make the MacBooks noticeably slimmer. How slim? Well, you'd have to ask an engineer - but considering how they harped on about how "amazingly slim" the new iMacs are at launch, they obviously think it's a big deal. Personally, I don't really see that the 1/2" makes a big deal on a desktop, but the utility of slimness in a laptop is obvious.

Now, for a bit of further speculation; I suspect Apple will make the new aluminium MacBooks available in the same range of colours as the current crop of iPod nanos and shuffles, because that's "fun". The MacBook Pros, at the same time, may be made available in the same black as that of the iPod classic, though I doubt they'll be made available in other colours, as bright blue laptops are "not professional". Those of you wondering "why shouldn't I be able to get any colour I want, if I'm paying for the more expensive model?" would do well to wonder that about the iPod classic, as well.

Possible objections to this hypothesis: "Aluminium is only for PRO products!"
I would be surprised if anyone still actually believes this, but then, people used to bring it up all the time in the aluminium iMac speculation threads, despite the existence of the aluminium Mac mini. Simply put: you're wrong.
"But having all the laptops as aluminium would confuse the product lines!"
Whilst I'll admit that there almost certainly are people out there that would be too stupid to tell the difference between MacBooks and MacBook PROs if they were to be made of the same material, chances are these people would either: A. be too stupid to operate a computer anyway, so it doesn't matter. B. end up buying the higher-spec'd Pro model unnecessarily, thus delivering more money to Apple, C. end up buying the MacBook that meets their needs, or D. somehow set themselves on fire whilst being bewildered by the automatic doors at the Apple store, and thus never manage to make their purchase anyway.
"Aluminium wouldn't work on a laptop, because it would interfere with Wi-Fi!"
It works on the MacBook Pro - obviously they've found a way.
"The rumour CLEARLY SAYS "Ultra-Portable""
Just like those rumours of resurrected Newtons, end-of-life'd Mac Mini's, 3G iPhones for Europe, &c., &c., &c....

P.S. If Apple does end up releasing multi-colour MacBooks, please, please, please don't advertise your ignorance by lauding it as "an exciting industry first!" because even Dell's doing it these days... (not that I'm suggesting that they're doing it well, mind you...)
 
why would people not want a optical drive? wouldnt it be a pain to carry around some external thing?

Having only used my DVD drive once in the last three months, I can see why it might be worth ditching, or at least having as an accessory.
 
Having only used my DVD drive once in the last three months, I can see why it might be worth ditching, or at least having as an accessory.

but what about movie making? wouldnt that destroy the purpose of imovie and idvd? what about things like that?
 
I love when MacRumors ansd AppleInsider change what they said before.

When they have sources of a 13' then it's a posible ultraportable macbook. When there's no news, then they say "oh, it must be a 7' portable, bigger than the iPhone but smaller than a macbook".

PICK. ONE. RUMOR.

And stick with it.

13-foot ultraportable?

7-foot portable?

What happened to the "take it with you" part of portable??
 
how big do u think the accessory would/could be? :confused:

I don't know, but it could be pretty small especially if it were still a slot loader. Not sure how Apple-esque it would be though. And, of course, it would still need a cable somewhere, so the laptop would have to have a few ports.

Maybe a laptop without an optical drive would be a nod at the fact that storage, flash drives and networking, not to mention online media, is so much more prevalent now.

Having said that, maybe all the talk of no optical drive is a load of cr*p. Who knows.
 
One of the most recurrent cries, from a variety of perspectives it has to be said, has been the demise of the form factor last seen in the 12" PB. That's what we'll be seeing come January. Something to fill this gap.

I think that many have read into this rumor the idea of transitioning to Aluminium-MB's simply because Apple have recently ditched the white plastic on the iMac > Alu-iMac and iPod 5G > Classic revisions. There's a whole host of items in the product line-up for which we are not expecting a complete design overhaul for some time yet - AirportExtreme, :apple:TV, MacBooks. White plastic is here to stay. For the time being at least. I personally don't think that Apple will ever ditch it altogether.

Aluminium :apple:Remote, anyone?

There's been a lot of speculation about ripping out the optical drive. Will they? Won't they? Myself, I'm not certain. Apple certainly don't seem to have been in any great rush to roll-out Blu-Ray drives in their machines. Hmmm...

I doubt that Apple would move towards 1.8" hard-drives for this ultra-slim 13.3" MBP. Performance-wise those things would stink, wouldn't they? 3600rpm? I also think that the battery benefits of SSD over traditional HDD are consistently overstated. Would there currently be a disadvantage for Apple in moving a huge chunk of their product line-up to reliance on NAND Flash? Prices fluctuate, difficulties in terms of supply.

If they do introduce this it should be as part of a BIG overhaul to the MBP design. Tweak after tweak after tweak since they dropped the TiBook. The whole MBP range needs an aesthetic refresh. They will get the MacBook, chicklet style keyboard. Definitely.

I disagree with you on the plastic > aluminium transition, aluminium on a MacBook would help to make it slimmer, and (I think) lighter as well - an obvious enhancement. by contrast, the aluminium iMac transition was far less necessary: functionally speaking, most people don't really need their desktop that extra bit slimmer or lighter - laptops, however, are a different story. They could definitely do an aluminium remote - it would just look like a stretched version of the current iPod shuffles. The real question should be: would they offer it in different colours?

They certainly wouldn't go for a 1.8" drive; rather an SSD. For any kind of portable application, SSD is the future - I would be surprised if the entire iPod line isn't SSD one or two generations hence (as it stands, the Classic is the only model still using magnetic storage, which will no doubt change as prices on flash memory falls and capacities increase). I don't know why you think the battery benefits are overstated, everything I've read shows that they produce consistently better performance - just look at the battery results for the iPod Touch vs the Classic - despite having a screen twice the size and (if I recall correctly) a more powerful CPU, it still manages 22 hours of audio to the classic's 30, and both get 5 hours of video. Similarly, the Nano, which has a screen closer in size to the Classic and presumably the same processor, manages 24 hours of audio, despite a battery that must be about half the size. I would also think that as they order such huge quantities of SSDs - they have them in the iPod Nanos, Shuffles, Touches and the iPhone, after all - Apple could probably manage to get pretty consistent supply and pricing.

As for the Blu-Ray drives, they're only beginning to show up in the highest of the high-end, so I'd expect them to show up in the Pro models first. But considering that Apple still doesn't offer DVD Burners as standard on some of their models, I wouldn't be expecting them to be leading the charge on Blu-Ray. An external optical drive for an ultra-portable wouldn't be especially unusual.

That said, I think the whole "ultra portable" rumour is a bit of a beat-up.

I disagree, however, that the MacBook Pros are in need of a re-design. There comes a point where a design is just good, and change becomes mostly unnecessary - bad, even. Just look at the iPod: whilst it has spawned spin-off models, other than getting slimmer, upgrading the screen & hard-drive and changing to aluminium, the overall design has remained the same for 6 generations now. I'm sure someone out there wants Apple to add handles, an antennae and a cup-holder, but I think most people would agree it's good as is. An important part of good design is knowing when to stop.
 
The trouble with the form factor you describe is:

1. It's still too close to the current MacBook. Yes, it's much thinner and lighter, but it's not the sort of device you can just throw in a small bag or even a large coat pocket.

2. Even if you're correct and there is a market, the market is not nearly as large as that of a "true" ultra portable[/B

Something with a 7" to 10" display, 32GB or more of storage, a decent hard drive and standard ports. Price this at $1,000 to $2,000 depending on the configuration and you'll have yourself one hot seller...


*Hmm... I'd still say something the size of a paper 8.5 by 11ish and close to 2lbs would be pretty portable. Fits in my knapsack. I can't fit anything with 7 or 10 in anything smaller than that. For women, there are purses where the 7 or 10 is preferable.

*I hope the market can support both 10 and 12 inch systems and that Apple would introduce. I really believe there is NO real market for 7inches. Just falls into the zone where an IPOD touch does almost the same and the screen is too small for real work. I'd hope I am wrong, but do not assume that to be the case.

*I believe a lightweight 13inch will beat or match an ultraportable in sales. Whether the margins would be the same would be a different issue. Cannibalization of the 13.3 PB might be an issue, but sense the margin gains would make this less of an issue. We can have rough a sense by March of the sales numbers. We will just compare to ultraportable sales from Sony and Toshiba as those have the bulk.
 
I don't know, but it could be pretty small especially if it were still a slot loader. Not sure how Apple-esque it would be though. And, of course, it would still need a cable somewhere, so the laptop would have to have a few ports.

Maybe a laptop without an optical drive would be a nod at the fact that storage, flash drives and networking, not to mention online media, is so much more prevalent now.

Having said that, maybe all the talk of no optical drive is a load of cr*p. Who knows.

hahaha good point. one thing that has always bothered me on macbooks was the location of the ports. why are they on the left side? most right hand users the cord wraps around everything.

hahaha i just noticed something else, havent u guys ever been p.o.'ed when usb flash drives are big and they block other ports? that really annoys me :rolleyes:
 
I think Apple is seeking to fill the niche that it left with the 12"PB. A fully functional laptop with most of the features and power of the full sized MBP, but smaller.

Features:
Hybrid SDD/Harddrive: The price of a fully Flash system would be huge (3K+), but I think they will put in 8GB for OS only. (In addition to pruning down OSX to fit on it.)

Downsides: No Superdrive (that's how it gets so thin, don't worry it'll have a sleek usb powered external drive), Price; I think it'll be in line with the middle and upper prices of 15" MBP (2500 - 3K).

I can't wait!

Hmmm... Agree on Apple's intention.. two caveats:

1. I think they may be able to slip in a 64gig SDD. Not cheap, but let's say $900 option, slightly less than that when upgrading to a 250 gig HDD. The SSD allows you to save some serious energy and a few ounces off the bat if you can put it in (SSD/HDD combo offers no weight savings, but a speed and battery boost depending on how well Apple is able to utlitize the SSD-to date most manufacturers have not gotten much speed improvements).

2. Apple would clearly offer a super sleek Superdrive as an external option (would likely be so cool some would want to buy it as an extra drive). One question on this point is whether they could go wireless/bluetooth. Technology may not be mature.
 
I disagree, however, that the MacBook Pros are in need of a re-design. There comes a point where a design is just good, and change becomes mostly unnecessary - bad, even. Just look at the iPod: whilst it has spawned spin-off models, other than getting slimmer, upgrading the screen & hard-drive and changing to aluminium, the overall design has remained the same for 6 generations now. I'm sure someone out there wants Apple to add handles, an antennae and a cup-holder, but I think most people would agree it's good as is. An important part of good design is knowing when to stop.

I disagree. Although perfectly useable, it's not the best-designed piece of Apple hardware ever. I preferred the build quality of the TiBook.

My niggles:

* Non-interchangeable hard drive
* Dodgy and (relative to the MacBook) un-sexy latch mechanism. My MBP pops open a lot when you don't want it to.
* Old-school keyboard. It's okay, but not amazing.
* Display doesn't fold back that far (although far enough for me)
* Somewhat fragile construction - I need new upper and lower case parts ($400) just because mine took a bit of a knock. Less than a year old, one slip, and it's knackered. Never happened with either of my iBooks, which I had for a total of five years.
* Old-school look, and we all know that looks sell laptops. And a change in look gets press. Crumbs, Apple's high-end laptops haven't changed in appearance for nearly five years.

There was a whole lot less wrong with the previous iMac, but that got an overhaul. It's past time IMO.
 
but what about movie making? wouldnt that destroy the purpose of imovie and idvd? what about things like that?

People: Assume Apple can offer a superdrive in a sleek, tiny and beautiful package that uses bluetooth (completely wireless and can sit on your desk) or a superdrive that can draw enough power off the USB to be battery free.

Who would not prefer that if it saves you a 1lb of weight?

I suspect the answer is simple - 95% of users. Unfortunately the 5% have a big presence here :)
 
13-inch ultra-portable?

Nope!

An ultra-portable must be much, much, much smaller. Say, 6 inches or so. The full Mac OS X computer experience in your hand. Otherwise, we do not want it.

I'm waiting for one I can put in my pocket, transmits a video overlay picture to my glasses via wireless (not sure bluetooth has enough bandwidth) and has sensory finger rings (bluetooth would be good here) so I can type on a virtual keyboard or virtual mouse in mid-air. Meanwhile the computer sits in my pocket. Now THAT would be an ultra-portable that delivers a REAL experience, not some tiny toy thing that is too small to see and impossible to type on...wait we already have that. It's called the iPhone. :p
 
People: Assume Apple can offer a superdrive in a sleek, tiny and beautiful package that uses bluetooth (completely wireless and can sit on your desk) or a superdrive that can draw enough power off the USB to be battery free.

Who would not prefer that if it saves you a 1lb of weight?

I suspect the answer is simple - 95% of users. Unfortunately the 5% have a big presence here :)

I don't think the transfer rate would be fast enough for wireless yet. and if the screen size is still 13 inches, the thinness doesnt matter it could be as thin as paper, but it still wouldnt be considered ultra portable. me? i say keep the optical drive in
 
I disagree. Although perfectly useable, it's not the best-designed piece of Apple hardware ever. I preferred the build quality of the TiBook.

My niggles:

* Non-interchangeable hard drive
* Dodgy and (relative to the MacBook) un-sexy latch mechanism. My MBP pops open a lot when you don't want it to.
* Old-school keyboard. It's okay, but not amazing.
* Display doesn't fold back that far (although far enough for me)
* Somewhat fragile construction - I need new upper and lower case parts ($400) just because mine took a bit of a knock. Less than a year old, one slip, and it's knackered. Never happened with either of my iBooks, which I had for a total of five years.
* Old-school look, and we all know that looks sell laptops. And a change in look gets press. Crumbs, Apple's high-end laptops haven't changed in appearance for nearly five years.

There was a whole lot less wrong with the previous iMac, but that got an overhaul. It's past time IMO.

* Apple doesn't even offer interchangeable hard-drives on their desktops (except for the MacPro) - and considering interchangeable hard-drives are a rarity on laptops anyway, I wouldn't be holding my breath.
* The latch could certainly switch to the MacBook style, I agree that it would be better - but that's more of a minor change than a re-design.
* Ditto for the keyboard
* If the display folds back far enough for you, why does it need to fold back further?
* Whilst I can't speak to the structural strength of the current MacBook Pros, I would be surprised if they were less than par for a typical laptop. Extra-strength laptops, like the Toughbook remain a niche market - hardly appropriate for Apple's flagship laptop class.
* Changing the look just so that it "looks new" is exactly the wrong reason to redesign a product. If you can offer a superior design, then I'll happily agree with you, but as it stands, the current MacBook Pro design is elegant and clean, and I've yet to see anyone arguing for a redesign actually present any sort of superior design - where are all the photoshop'd fantasies?
 
* Apple doesn't even offer interchangeable hard-drives on their desktops (except for the MacPro) - and considering interchangeable hard-drives are a rarity on laptops anyway, I wouldn't be holding my breath.

I thought the MacBook had a hard drive that was easy to swap...
 
I thought the MacBook had a hard drive that was easy to swap...

Never having tried it, I just assumed that the lack of any obvious hard-drive bay on the bottom of a MacBook meant that it was a "disassemble the entire laptop to get at it" sort of deal. As it turns out, however, you're absolutely right: the hard drive on the MacBook is stupidly easy to replace [PDF]. It would be a worthwhile change to the MacBook Pro, I'll agree, but I would still argue it's a minor change/upgrade as opposed to a redesign.
 
The rumour simply states that Apple is ordering LED back-lights for 13.3" LCD screens.

From this, you guys manage to divine some incredible ultra-portable with SSD's, no disc-drives, &c., &c., &c. (ok, I know the "no optical drive" rumour has been floating around for a while, but still)

Lets consider a few points: 13.3" is the current size of the MacBook screen. Logic would suggest that the MacBook is the laptop destined to receive these new back-lights - no new model is necessary to explain this information....

Okay, how come the moderators are allowing reason in here? :rolleyes:
 
I don't know, but it could be pretty small especially if it were still a slot loader. Not sure how Apple-esque it would be though. And, of course, it would still need a cable somewhere, so the laptop would have to have a few ports.

Maybe a laptop without an optical drive would be a nod at the fact that storage, flash drives and networking, not to mention online media, is so much more prevalent now.

Having said that, maybe all the talk of no optical drive is a load of cr*p. Who knows.

Hmm, I can imagine something in the style of the apple TV. You could pile up the AppleTV, the SuperDrive (why not some HD version) and an Airport Extreme. Hook up the SuperDrive to the AppleTV to ba able to play back DVDs through the AppleTV. Hook it up to the Airport Extreme for using it as a network drive. Use it like a network printer for burning discs, use it like an Airport Disc for reading discs. Watch streamed DVDs on your iPod touch or iPhone while you're sitting on the John, the possibilities are endless.

This would kinda defy Apple's all-in-one philosophy but would fit in nicely overall.

EDIT: Quick mockup; bottom: Superdrive (fictional), top: Airport Extreme
superdriveiv5.png
 
Never having tried it, I just assumed that the lack of any obvious hard-drive bay on the bottom of a MacBook meant that it was a "disassemble the entire laptop to get at it" sort of deal. As it turns out, however, you're absolutely right: the hard drive on the MacBook is stupidly easy to replace [PDF]. It would be a worthwhile change to the MacBook Pro, I'll agree, but I would still argue it's a minor change/upgrade as opposed to a redesign.

Yea, except you need a whacky screwdriver to remove the screws that hold the drive to it's "tray". Why couldn't they use regular philips screws is beyond me...
 
People: Assume Apple can offer a superdrive in a sleek, tiny and beautiful package that uses bluetooth (completely wireless and can sit on your desk) or a superdrive that can draw enough power off the USB to be battery free.

Who would not prefer that if it saves you a 1lb of weight?

I suspect the answer is simple - 95% of users. Unfortunately the 5% have a big presence here :)

What about a parallel port for my zip drive:D.

Cinch
 
So, they're probably going for this ultraportable computer... then the chances are probably very small they'd also update the macbookpro, right?
 
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