As long as human commands those companies, greed will never stop.
The only way to end the greed is companies are managed by an entity that’s not human. Idk how that can happen tho. Maybe by AI and enforce wealth redistribution?
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The only way to end the greed is companies are managed by an entity that’s not human. Idk how that can happen tho. Maybe by AI and enforce wealth redistribution?
Different severities. US - China are right now in a direct economic war. US - India aren't but India is closely tied to Russia which we are in a physical, all out proxy war with. EU is, in the moment our "ally", but that is very, very different to being a "friend". If it benefitted them to be closer to China than the USA, they would drop us like a bad habit, even if their value systems are closer aligned to the USA.
years ago, people said "Who buy computer Made in China" look at now.
What makes you saying such huge claims. Do you have any sources backing it?
I sincerely disagree with your point of view. Europe is trying to cut ties with China and other non-democratic systems for a long time just like the US. Why do you think EU did not accept Turkey yet?
US and Europe shares values for quite a long time and Europe is and will be US ally and friend. If you have indications proving otherwise please provide some claims.
Doesn't matter where they make them, Apple controls quality.
I don't think you can afford any electronics product that is manufactured in USA.
Yes I do have sources but it's not worth my time to argue with someone over a Mac internet forum. It's just my point of view from what I've read from varying sources about geopolitics over the past decade+. You can disagree with it all you want.
And are you not ignoring that we've basically been aligned to only a portion of Europe for 70+ years out of a 250+ year history of the US? So it's actually an anomaly that the USA is allied closely to Europe. Zoom out of your own lifetime and you'll know that just because both populations are white and have been allied for 70 years, doesn't guarantee anything in the future.
When your profit margin is around 40% Apple can absorb most of the increase as you may be aware the cost to assemble phone is a super small (single digit) percentage of the cost of the device.
Why being overly offensive? I was trying to be polite and my questions and reactions are genuine.
Maybe the past is not that important in this case. What important is, however, is the trend. And the European trend is clearly pro-west, pro-USA. Europeans had enough of Russia and enough of socialism. SSSR is the part of European's history where US has not been aligned to the whole Europe, because eastern Europe has been under the Russian ties - against their will. These SSSR countries always peeked behind the iron curtain and actually wanted to be US aligned.
Protectionism will only hurt India.
On my part, I used to think that India would be an excellent alternative to manufacturing in the PRC. After all, India is nominally a democracy. However, the country struggles with corruption and human rights issues. For me, India's failure to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine was the last straw. If India engages in protectionism, we should all means retaliate in kind. It's a shame - India could have been a strategic partner and both countries could have benefitted from closer ties.
On my part, I used to think that India would be an excellent alternative to manufacturing in the PRC. After all, India is nominally a democracy. However, the country struggles with corruption and human rights issues. For me, India's failure to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine was the last straw. If India engages in protectionism, we should all means retaliate in kind. It's a shame - India could have been a strategic partner and both countries could have benefitted from closer ties.
Sorry if you were offended. That wasn't my purpose... that's the problem with complex conversation over text, all the nuance is left out.
So as long as the USA supports EU and NATO with an obscene, disproportionate amount of cash, military personnel, and resources, to fight Russia, they are our allies. Isn't that not proving the point that as soon as we stop benefitting them, they have no reason to have loyalty towards us? Buying friends and letting your own country rot in the name of some fake higher principle will be (and already is quickly becoming) the death of this country.
No problem, I agree. This discussion is generally more suited for real life conversation.
I don't think so.
You see - Ukraine did not benefit from US until the war. Yet they're still US-aligned more and more and looks towards the US culture. Even with their huge Russian ties and common history, with all these they prefer to be US-aligned. And this all started even before war. And mind you - they were/are not in the NATO or EU. So I really don't think it's just about money. Culture is quite a huge thing. And when you align your culture, economy and trade follows.
Developed by AI of course, even though human got the first couple iterations.
Doesn’t matter how small the portion is, there are still costs involved, so to Apple saving on those is only logical. After all they have to serve shareholders unless someone buys It and turn it into a private company smh.
But how can you get away with less than minus wage here?
or locking your factory workers inside the factory like a damned prison.
you are not people to this corpo, just cattle
that’s a good point. But in the early 90s they predicted that India was going to surpass China by the sheer population of manufacturing products. relative to the cost of labor. I do understand your point well said.
I seem to recall countries trying a centrally planned economy where people worked according to their abilities and in turn their needs were to be met. Didn't seem to work well in the long run.
years ago, people said "Who buy computer Made in China" look at now.
And "Made in Japan" or "Made in Korea" before that.
Considering Europe itself was not aligned until recent history it's no surprise the US has had various alliances and fought with or against countries in Europe due to European wars. The US fought France, for example, and then turned around and allied with them and that resulted in their playing a key role in defeating the British and enabled the US to gained its independence. A long history ties the US and Europe together, even if everyone fought or allied with almost every nation in Europe and with the US.
oh yeah sure, first it was semiconductors, radios, then it was cars and then High end electronics
The Eco system and how they produce workers in Japan. basically they raise (in some instances )from junior high school in hi Tech. then they move them into like vocational electronic technology high schools. then into Vocational universities. And in each one of those educational stops there’s an opportunity for companies to recruit after the entering the junior high school is finished
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That appears to have applied only to the 2013 model. The 2023 is made in Taiwan per reports and I think 2019 models were also assembled outside of the US.
Even if you paid them the prevailing US wage, try to find a few hundred thousand of them willing to relocate to a central manufacturing city like Apple has around Shanghai and then persuade them to stick around when 1/4 to 1/2 of them are laid off six months of the year when Apple does not need peak production capacity to launch a new product, which happens with the Chinese workforce (though many move on to other product-assembly jobs during those periods and then come back to working on Apple products during the surges).
An understandable economic precaution from India’s standpoint. With over a billion consumers, cutting off the importing of expensive automobiles and computers that your country is on the verge of being able to produce itself is pretty prudent short term to help get you over the hump. Of course that’ll inevitably be opened up eventually after you’re over the threshold, but in Indias position, you can take the preventative measure off at any tine, you can‘t put it on after its too late.
You guys are arguing about labor like its the 1800s. The only way it makes sense for human beings to assemble these things is if all your startup & operating costs are covered by governments. As soon as we’re talking about production in the US, you’re talking private capital, and efficiency comes into play & we’re talking about lights out mfg & dist services. In large scale mass production, human labor hasnt been able to compete since last century. Choose from:
Support the Chinese masses
Support the Indian masses
Support the already overpaid American Engineers and rich Investors
You guys are arguing about labor like its the 1800s. The only way it makes sense for human beings to assemble these things is if all your startup & operating costs are covered by governments. As soon as we’re talking about production in the US, you’re talking private capital, and efficiency comes into play & we’re talking about lights out mfg & dist services. In large scale mass production, human labor hasnt been able to compete since last century. Choose from:
Support the Chinese masses
Support the Indian masses
Support the already overpaid American Engineers and rich Investors
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LOL, definitely not. Indian culture doesn't value strong attention to detail. If it did, Apple wouldnt have seen the pitiful workmanship it did a while back, Macrumors even reported on it:
Only 50% of iPhone Casings Made in India Meet Apple's Quality Standards
Apple is facing difficulties scaling up its production operations in India amid poor component yields and slow progress, the Financial Times reports....
www.macrumors.com
50% yield... seriously. That's just embarrassing. Apple should just forget about doing anything in India except selling their phones there.
The challenge with that is it is easier to put in place barriers to entry than remove them. Once an industry has them, letting them go and see profits erode makes them push to keep them in place to protect their profits at the consumer's expense.
Look at the chicken tax in the US. Even though the reason for the retaliatory tariff is long gone, high duties on small pickups remain.
At some point Apple and other tech companies should say - enough - we won't sell any of our products in your country and not have anything manufactured there. Until we do countries will keep instituting rules / laws such as this. Enough is enought
Don't worry, the fancy boxes will still say 'Designed by Apple in California'
If we're gonna be paying exorbitant prices anyway. Bring the manufacturing back to the US and or it's allied countries.