Apple Outlines Security and Privacy of CSAM Detection System in New Document

[Playfoot]

To be clear, I have no proof. Only sentiment.

Yet, why do I believe that those who would shout from the rooftops that a few “mistakes or inconveniences” caused to the two families noted in the article, are the same people who support the death penalty or espouse those released from prison for wrongful imprisonment are still somehow guilty of something. On one hand, one child is worth wrongful all the botched investigations against honest families, yet on the other hand a mistaken execution is worth the risk …

The families were assumed to be guilty. Their property was forfeited, and investigated. Google was not required to pay restitution, punitive or compensatory damages. The police were not reprimanded for shoddy work as the detective did not know enough that the telephone number and email would be cancelled. The detective was so incompetent, at the very least unaware of procedure, no visit to the house attempted, no effort for other means of contact made.

Amongst all the truly frightening facts reported in these two tragic stories the two most frightening are one, a human supposedly reviewed the images (similar to what Apple tells us it would do), and two it is impossible to know how many others have been wrongfully accused neither fought nor reported the process.

 

[GBaughma]

So, Gizmodo has a story on the whole Google thing....

Google Flagged Parents' Photos of Sick Children as Sexual Abuse

In at least two cases, Google has shut down accounts over pictures of kids containing nudity, requested by pediatricians for diagnosing illness.

gizmodo.com

See, the issue here is NOT that it was CSAM. It wasn't matched against a database, it wasn't "hashed" and scanned against a list of known abuse images.

This photo was flagged using Microsoft's "PhotoDNA".

IMHO, there should be an expectation of privacy with your phone. There were two situations listed in the article, one was automatically uploaded, I'm not sure about the other one.

But, this is EXACTLY what can happen when the "gubment" starts poking their noses into your private lives, and EXACTLY why we should hold Apple accountable to their privacy promises.

 

[George Dawes]

I’m more worried about it looking at my digital banking grabs tbh

 

[jseymour]

... and EXACTLY why we should hold Apple accountable to their privacy promises.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I have. I haven't purchased a single Apple product since they announced their spyware and will not until they announce they've cancelled the program.

 

[PBMB]

I can't speak for anybody else, but I have. I haven't purchased a single Apple product since they announced their spyware and will not until they announce they've cancelled the program.

I am afraid that Apple was a little "ahead of its time". It seems that there is a big pressure to control the material distributed in the Internet through the different service providers, or even stored in devices. This is what I remember from one or two articles that MacRumors published some time ago. In fact I remember something more, that is more control is coming beyond image analysis, particularly automatic control of e-mail content including text. But I cannot find the relevant article now.

So, Apple knew something years ago and was preparing for what was coming. I would not be surprised to see also at some point restrictions in the use of open source software, e.g. Linux. But perhaps it will be not necessary if they supervise everything, e-mail content included.

 

[jseymour]

I would not be surprised to see also at some point restrictions in the use of open source software, e.g. Linux. But perhaps it will be not necessary if they supervise everything, e-mail content included.

Won't work. It's open source. Developers put unwanted stuff in: I download the source, rip the unwanted stuff out, build it, install it, voilà!

I will not have somebody snooping my private stuff. Plain and simple. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. I'll stop using it entirely before I'll tolerate that.

 

[dlopan]

Won't work. It's open source. Developers put unwanted stuff in: I download the source, rip the unwanted stuff out, build it, install it, voilà!

I will not have somebody snooping my private stuff. Plain and simple. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. I'll stop using it entirely before I'll tolerate that.

I agree. Which is why I use an older 1password.

 

[Mega ST]

I think companies should legally get blocked from sniffing in private devices. If you store stuff in their server farms, okay, but my device must be entirely taboo.
I'd expect high level law suits in my country as this intrusion would violate constitutional rights.

 

[Bella8207]

Weird, because I haven’t seen a single coherent explanation of why it’s a problem if your own device scans your photos for child porn, and only does so if you are trying to upload onto apple’s servers, and only produces information to Apple if you have at least thirty child porn photos that you are trying to upload.

That’s what I was thinking, but maybe there’s something I missed in the fine print because I didn’t see anything to be concerned about unless you’re doing something inappropriate with pornographic content in your iCloud pics or videos. It literally says they will not have full access to the images and videos stored in iCloud even IF your account is flagged for CASM images.

Then to further protect your privacy, the image has to be reported as such by BOTH of these third party authorities mentioned in the document before it gets counted as 1/30.

And did they mention the feature can be totally disabled. For the life of me I don’t know why you wouldn’t just turn off your photo storage on iPhone if you’re that bothered. Because at least Apple is ONLY including images that have gone through what I feel is a reasonable assurance check.

Any alternative tech options you might consider should you decide to get rid of your Apple products from physical devices to cloud storage doesn’t even try to protect your information. They’re giving full access to all your things and I’m pretty sure they don’t have a threshold of 30 images or TWO independent confirmations as a rule of protection before they do.

Again, I could be wrong because I’m just not that familiar with privacy outside of general safety. To be honest I came here to talk trash about Siri and got sidetracked. Haha

 

[axantas]

That’s what I was thinking, but maybe there’s something I missed in the fine print because I didn’t see anything to be concerned about unless you’re doing something inappropriate with pornographic content in your iCloud pics or videos. It literally says they will not have full access to the images and videos stored in iCloud even IF your account is flagged for CASM images.

Then to further protect your privacy, the image has to be reported as such by BOTH of these third party authorities mentioned in the document before it gets counted as 1/30.

And did they mention the feature can be totally disabled. For the life of me I don’t know why you wouldn’t just turn off your photo storage on iPhone if you’re that bothered. Because at least Apple is ONLY including images that have gone through what I feel is a reasonable assurance check.

Any alternative tech options you might consider should you decide to get rid of your Apple products from physical devices to cloud storage doesn’t even try to protect your information. They’re giving full access to all your things and I’m pretty sure they don’t have a threshold of 30 images or TWO independent confirmations as a rule of protection before they do.

Again, I could be wrong because I’m just not that familiar with privacy outside of general safety. To be honest I came here to talk trash about Siri and got sidetracked. Haha

A lengthy explanation, why we do not have to be concerned about that privacy breach. I do no one have to scan my pictures, because I could…, because I don’t.
They might do it, if there is a concrete suspicion, but no all time 100% scan, because any of my pictures could be inappropriate.

 

[bobcomer]

That’s what I was thinking, but maybe there’s something I missed in the fine print because I didn’t see anything to be concerned about unless you’re doing something inappropriate with pornographic content in your iCloud pics or videos. It literally says they will not have full access to the images and videos stored in iCloud even IF your account is flagged for CASM images.

Then to further protect your privacy, the image has to be reported as such by BOTH of these third party authorities mentioned in the document before it gets counted as 1/30.

And did they mention the feature can be totally disabled. For the life of me I don’t know why you wouldn’t just turn off your photo storage on iPhone if you’re that bothered. Because at least Apple is ONLY including images that have gone through what I feel is a reasonable assurance check.

Any alternative tech options you might consider should you decide to get rid of your Apple products from physical devices to cloud storage doesn’t even try to protect your information. They’re giving full access to all your things and I’m pretty sure they don’t have a threshold of 30 images or TWO independent confirmations as a rule of protection before they do.

Again, I could be wrong because I’m just not that familiar with privacy outside of general safety. To be honest I came here to talk trash about Siri and got sidetracked. Haha

Why we are so against it?? Well, it's using my device to spy on me for one, which is objectionable enough.

Let me ask you a question, you don't truly think that this database of bad CSAM images will stay just that? A government would surely like to put other things in there, like seditious material, criminals wanted, and anything else for that matter. If you're okay with that, that's your problem.

And yes, I turned off iCloud photo syncing immediately, even though I have no such CSAM pictures (and never will unless someone plants them on my phone to frame me!!). But you don't really think there will always be an off switch like that, do you?

As for Apple being more privacy oriented -- lol! They're the one that made this whole CSAM Scanning thing on your device. Meet Big Brother himself.

 

[Aragornii]

Ask the guy who was just falsely reported to the police by google. Ask him what he thinks about having their spy software on his phone, what it took for him to get his seized personal property back and whether he ever got his account unlocked. You may think that Apple is somehow better than google at this, and you may or may not be right, but that's the world you're signing up for. Putting your freedom at the mercy of big tech algorithms and companies that care nothing about you.