Apple Partners with Chinese Environmental Group for Supplier Audit

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001


    While Apple has received much publicity for its partnership with the Fair Labor Association to audit working conditions at several of its manufacturing partners' facilities in China, Financial Times reports that the company has now also partnered with the Institute of Public and Environmental Affairs (IPE) for an environmental audit of a supplier's facilities.
    According to the report, Apple and the IPE have been in discussions for months about a partnership, culminating in a five-hour meeting in Cupertino last October that set the stage for a formal relationship. Following this initial audit, the IPE hopes that it will be able to partner with Apple on audits of thirteen other facilities in China that are already being monitored by Apple.

    The IPE is led by Ma Jun, an environmental activist who just today was announced as one of six winners of this year's Goldman Environmental Prize.
    As part of its environmental disclosures, Apple has noted that it focused on 14 suppliers for environmental audits in 2011, and the company is expanding its efforts in 2012 to include additional facilities, work more closely with governmental and nongovernmental agencies such as the IPE, and increase training on environmental responsibility throughout its supply chain.

    Article Link: Apple Partners with Chinese Environmental Group for Supplier Audit
  2. daxomni macrumors 6502

    Jun 24, 2009
  3. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    Let’s see if this follows the same pattern as with labor practices:

    1. Problems in the electronics industry as a whole and in China specifically.

    2. Apple reports their own problems publicly.

    3. Apple takes steps to fix those problems, and reports publicly on their progress as well as their failures.

    4. Years pass. Things improve greatly, but more improvement is still called for.

    5. During all these years, Apple’s competitors cover up their own problems, and do little but make empty statements. They are the problem, while Apple is the solution.

    6. Apple invites public auditing by third parties. No other tech companies do. The audits verify exactly what Apple has already reported.

    7. Journalists try to find more dirt on Apple, that Apple hasn’t reported themselves. They never find a single thing. So, many of them simply make it up, or invite “artists” to create fictions reported as news. Bask in the attention and ad revenue!

    8. Lots of people believe this stuff, and even after the lies are admitted, keep believing it. Others just repeat it knowing it to be lies. But, hey... attention and ad revenue!

    9. Many of these people boycott Apple and buy from the companies that are doing nothing. The workers suffer.

    10. Activists hurt their own cause by going along will all this, attacking Apple instead of attacking the companies that should be doing what Apple is. The workers suffer.

    11. Lesson learned: if you try to solve a problem, attention is drawn to it. Better to do nothing and look good. PR is more important than real solutions! And lies sell better than facts.

    We already know Apple’s leading environmental record... let’s see how many of the above steps are followed anyway, while other companies that do far less are ignored to commit whatever wrongs they like :)
  4. 3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    "Chinese Environmental Group"

    Isn't that an oxymoron?
  5. carlgo macrumors 68000

    Dec 29, 2006
    As Apple and everyone else knows, the real pollution comes from the first steps in production. Chinese mines are a horror story and it doesn't get much better at the next tiers of processing the base materials and then forming them into parts and so on up the ladder.

    This is the real reason stuff can be made cheaply in China.

    You can bet the labor situation at these levels is also vastly worse than at Foxcon and other more visible plants.

    So, really the announced (!) inspection of a high-level assembly plant is just a fell-good process that will end with a gala dinner of Peking Duck and a surprisingly good Chinese wine.
  6. HiVolt macrumors 6502


    Sep 29, 2008
    Toronto, Canada
    Hahah I was gonna post that exact thing... How stupid do they think people are?

    China has rivers that have RED "water", thats how polluted they are. Nobody gives a crap about the environment there. Just profits.
  7. daxomni, Apr 16, 2012
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2012

    daxomni macrumors 6502

    Jun 24, 2009
    When it comes to the environment, Apple may be the lesser of ten thousand evils, but that still doesn't change the fact that extremely heavy consumption of consumer electronic products is a net negative for the environment no matter who supplies it.

    Any audit that mirrors the public relations copy is probably not that thorough of an audit.

    When Apple admits that something is wrong that does not prove the journalist who originally broke the story was inconsequential. Rather, it would seem to prove the exact opposite.

    Do you have a source for this? Or is it pure conjecture in the service of intentionally manufactured hypocrisy?

    Simple math should explain why Apple is getting so much attention. Even a slight improvement in how Apple does business could pay bigger environmental dividends than huge improvements at hundreds of much smaller companies.

    Better to do nothing? How exactly has any of this attention hurt Apple? They seem to be breaking sales records left at right. Which would seem to imply you might be overstating the risk and understating the benefit of transparency.

    If we're going strictly by measurable net improvement, you could almost say the same thing about environmental groups in the United States of America from 1981-Present. Does that mean none of us are trying? Or does it mean we're simply being blocked from doing anything substantial enough to have a real impact?
  8. kcmac macrumors 6502

    May 22, 2002
    In the end, Apple is at least making an attempt to do the right thing. Whether it is enough will be argued by some. Certainly though more than the rest of the industry can claim or will do in the near future.
  9. MH01 macrumors G4


    Feb 11, 2008
    lol exactly!
  10. 3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    Spot on. Yet god forbid anyone criticize this issue on MacRumors. You know, it's when you blindly follow a company no matter what that you lose sight of what is important. I love Apple as much as the next guy here, but it's when we accept everything they do as perfect that Apple begins to slip (as is the case with Lion).
  11. JAT macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    I guess you've never been involved in audits before, most people haven't, and only have horror stories from IRS audits of actual tax evaders for their information. Here's a tip: Audit is not a synonym for Bad.

    100% sure that was a reference to a false journalist who has admitted to making up stories about factory workers. And has been proved wrong by actual journalists.

    I'll let others play with the rest of your obviously non-objective post. Talk about an oxymoron.
  12. 3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
  13. daxomni macrumors 6502

    Jun 24, 2009
    Here's another tip: Audit is not synonym for rubber stamp. And yes, I've participated in numerous audits as part of my job duties.

    There was nothing in that post to indicate it was referring to a single incident.

    What a cop out. If you had anything to work with you would have already made your case. But since you don't there's nothing else to say.
  14. koruki macrumors 6502a


    Aug 16, 2009
    New Zealand
    your username with your view on the chinese are a bit oxymoron :rolleyes:
  15. JHankwitz macrumors 68000

    Oct 31, 2005
    And you know this first hand, or from what you've gleaned from the BS media?
  16. brdeveloper macrumors 68020


    Apr 21, 2010

    Agreed. If we really cared about the environment, we should consume less, e.g. not buying the newer product's version every year. Maybe when people do this, companies will care more about product upgradeability, that is, the possibility to increase the power of a device by changing some parts instead of the whole one.
  17. 3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009

    Well stated sir :)
  18. Marlor macrumors regular

    Jun 21, 2005
    Because Chinese citizens are incapable of caring about the environment or organizing to form activist organisations?

    Prejudiced much?
  19. Dragado macrumors member

    Mar 29, 2012
    I think part of the issue is how you measure this. I think many people do try to consume less (I do), but there's no real way to know on the global scale. At the end of the day, you can only be responsible for yourself.
  20. 3282868, Apr 17, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 17, 2012

    3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    No, because I've been to many parts of china, and India, and sadly isn't a green country (hence the need for environmental groups).

    Google India River and see how much plastic is pouring out of India into the ocean, accompanied by sewage. China is far from an eco-friendly nation. Educate before you boldly criticize someone you do not know for making a valid point. It merely demonstrates your ignorance. :)

    Done here as this thread (as usual) has become filled with personal attacks rather than productive discourse. As usual, god forbid someone make a statement that paints Apple in a bad light. As I stated, blind adoration will only lessen a great company, not improve it. As Steve Jobs did with Apple, perfection is key, not mediocrity.
  21. JAT macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    Congrats, you just repeated yourself. Of course, you are the only one proclaiming these extremes. So, the other companies that don't invite audits of their performance are...ok? Since they do nothing? Or are you complaining about them on forums, also?

    Then I guess you didn't understand it. I submit, based on your normal post tone, that this would be willfully.

    I was busy. So, here you go.

    Perhaps he reads this forum. And seriously, hypocrisy?

    Then why has Apple gotten more than its fair share of crap since the 80s? Their market share in any product line was miniscule until the iPod.

    Even you can't believe this comment means anything. The attention is new, after the sales records. Obviously, anyone concerned about it would be talking about future sales.

    No doubt you are objective. Yeah.

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