Apple Patent Application on Detecting 'Unauthorized' iOS Device Usage Causes Controversy

[Quapps]

90% Jesus Christ, I hope your programming skills are better than your statistical hypothesis skills. That number is much lower.

I jail broke tonget folders on my iPhone 3G, a device that is too old to enjoy iOS 4, mywi for tethering, and backgrounder. Turns out the reason I don't let go of my jailbreak is because I prefer the text message app that I paid for as well as the quick reply app that I also paid for. I believe what drew me to jailbreaking again after not doing it was to tether my iPad. Turns out I've used it about 5 times and never again since.

As far as stealing apps, I don't steal in my every day life and I don't see even $10 for a useful app to be a lot. I've paid for a ton of apps in the iTunes store and the ones that I could not (BiteSMS, Quickreply, Mywi) I paid the dev directly.

90% Please. Let's face it, not everyone is a thief and certainly not 90% of iPhone owners who jailbreak.

So, you are one of the 10% then

The reason i said 90/10 is because some people do jailbreak to do the things you are stating here but just because you don't do it doesn't mean it's not done.

Out of all of the iDevices on the market I stick to my original statistic.

I think i'm being fair giving 10% the benefit of doubt.

 

[Andronicus]

You made literally zero valid points.

Jailbreaking is..wait for it...jailbreaking. How does one weed out the good jailbreakers from the bad jailbreakers? Even if that was possible how much money would that cost? You obviously have no relevant understanding of how this works so let me break this down for you.

You bought the device from Apple. They created the device with intended use. You download software to jailbreak iPhone and use unsupported software.
Is this illegal? No.
Is your facetime data usage on AT&T's already horrific network illegal? No.
Is it in bad taste? Yes.

If everyone had your mindset that it was perfectly ok then we would all be in a serious world of hurt. My implication that jailbreakers are stealing applications is guess what..correct. If you choose to jailbreak fine, but understand the vast majority of the retards that jailbreak their phones, go to Apple when they brick them and expect service. This is an obvious concern for Apple when their devices are being diagnosed for unsupported usage. Just because you bought a device doesn't mean you can hack it and expect everything to work and be fixed if it ever affects the performance of the device. Like I mentioned in another thread, you don't buy a BMW M3, modify the suspension and then complain to BMW about the ride quality. They don't support aftermarket modification just like Apple doesn't support jailbreaking. The difference is jailbreakers are robbing developers of the money they require to stay in business and provide us with apps. I promise they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

I like how you countered his "…literally zero points" with your own zero valid points. The most laughable part of your argument is when you said, "is this in bad taste? Yes" hahahahaha. That's (listen close) your OPINION. Jailbreaking is "perfectly ok" the law was passed and even though Apple may be butt hurt by it, and you may disagree with it, doesn't make it bad taste. Personally, I don't jailbreak my iPhone, but since I have the unlimited data plan when I buy an iPad, I may jailbreak it for the MyWi app. And saying the "the vast majority of retards that jailbreak their phones, go to apple when they brick them" is not only an inaccurate and unprovable statistic, it's just uncalled for. Actually, calling anybody a "retard" is (in your own words") just bad taste.

 

[Ubuntu]

Do you know of Apple stealing anybodies technology? Shutting down businesses by making threats of lawsuits to the businesses investors or claiming they are going to enter into a space and even announcing products that they never intend to ship, just to undermine competitors?

I once had a MSFT employee we were negotiating with sit across the table and say to my face "join us or we will bury you".

It is amazing how, no matter what Apple does-- and this patent is a perfect example--- the Apple bashers will just fabricate something and then claim Apple did it.

I'm glad that in the last 10 years the Mac has become more popular.... but it seems many windows fanbois just aren't giving up, even when they know they've lost.

While I agree that Microsoft was an awful company (and you've experienced this first hand) I would agree with the post you quoted in that Apple has very much swapped roles. They're not carrying out the tasks you mentioned, to my knowledge, but they're not the innocent little rebellious company anymore, and news like this doesn't really surprise me now.

Lets call it what it is. It is not "inaccurate rumors" that are the problem, its apple bashers who make up and spread lies.

The entire "antenna gate" was one big lie spread by these people.

They are the hitler youth who thought they had a fascist victory in 1984, but who are not giving up.....

Did you just say that the apple bashers are the hitler youth?

And no, the antenna issues were not made up. You don't know anything about it because you've not seen every single iPhone 4. Don't get me wrong, my iPhone has never had the issue but it doesn't mean all iPhones are fine. You think this was one big conspiracy? How paranoid are you?

 

[Ubuntu]

merged, delete please

 

[JAT]

I have apps being stolen daily and a few friends do too.

Interesting. How do you arrive at this analysis?

 

[looking4anotebo]

So who is the f..king moron that initially thought this feature had anything to do with jailbreaking.

It's obviously for end user security, and NOT for apple to protect against jailbreaking.

From this point on, instead of just making comments about jailbreaking... instead just write "I'm a f..king moron", and be done with it.

There is plenty of evidence that it has something to do with jailbreaking. Read the damn patent, look at Apple's previous statements, look at what Motorola has done with the Droid X... you would have to be an absolute sucker to think this doesn't have anything to do with jailbreaking.

They don't have to brick it, they can alter the functionality of the phone until you return it to its "proper" state.

More importantly, I think, this raises potential invasion of privacy concerns. Ability to log heart beat signatures, pictures, and voice recordings????? No thanks.

 

[rjohnstone]

You made literally zero valid points.

Jailbreaking is..wait for it...jailbreaking. How does one weed out the good jailbreakers from the bad jailbreakers? Even if that was possible how much money would that cost? You obviously have no relevant understanding of how this works so let me break this down for you.

You bought the device from Apple. They created the device with intended use. You download software to jailbreak iPhone and use unsupported software.
Is this illegal? No.
Is your facetime data usage on AT&T's already horrific network illegal? No.
Is it in bad taste? Yes.

If everyone had your mindset that it was perfectly ok then we would all be in a serious world of hurt. My implication that jailbreakers are stealing applications is guess what..correct. If you choose to jailbreak fine, but understand the vast majority of the retards that jailbreak their phones, go to Apple when they brick them and expect service. This is an obvious concern for Apple when their devices are being diagnosed for unsupported usage. Just because you bought a device doesn't mean you can hack it and expect everything to work and be fixed if it ever affects the performance of the device. Like I mentioned in another thread, you don't buy a BMW M3, modify the suspension and then complain to BMW about the ride quality. They don't support aftermarket modification just like Apple doesn't support jailbreaking. The difference is jailbreakers are robbing developers of the money they require to stay in business and provide us with apps. I promise they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Bad taste??? That's the best you can come up with?

Your car analogy is irrelevant.
You're replacing HARDWARE on the car.
A jailbreak is a software patch that can easily be restored back to factory specs in a matter of minutes.
I have yet to see or read about anyone "bricking" their iPhone while jailbreaking it. It's all but impossible.

I won't deny that SOME jailbreakers do it to steal apps.
I don't and nobody I've ever met has stolen apps either.
I find the Cydia app store has some nice apps that are worth every penny but Apple won't "allow" them to be available in the offical app store because they compete with Apple's own offerings.

 

[JAT]

There is plenty of evidence that it has something to do with jailbreaking. Read the damn patent, look at Apple's previous statements, look at what Motorola has done with the Droid X... you would have to be an absolute sucker to think this doesn't have anything to do with jailbreaking.

They don't have to brick it, they can alter the functionality of the phone until you return it to its "proper" state.

More importantly, I think, this raises potential invasion of privacy concerns. Ability to log heart beat signatures, pictures, and voice recordings????? No thanks.

Seriously, you have no idea what hacking is.

 

[RHatton]

Bad taste??? That's the best you can come up with?

Your car analogy is irrelevant.
You're replacing HARDWARE on the car.
A jailbreak is a software patch that can easily be restored back to factory specs in a matter of minutes.
I have yet to see or read about anyone "bricking" their iPhone while jailbreaking it. It's all but impossible.

I won't deny that SOME jailbreakers do it to steal apps.
I don't and nobody I've ever met has stolen apps either.
I find the Cydia app store has some nice apps that are worth every penny but Apple won't "allow" them to be available in the offical app store because they compete with Apple's own offerings.

I love how everyone always comes back with "jailbreaking isn't illegal" as their logic. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, you own the hardware, not the software. Everyone that jailbreaks in this thread seems to think because they "don't steal applications" that the rest of the world somehow does not. The vast majority of people get sucked into the "jailbreaking is cool" cliche and then end up with poor performing devices. Why would Apple be happy about this? They don't support outside software for a reason.

My point with the car analogy was not the replacement of hardware components. My point was the complaining about overall ride quality while using something in a manner it was not intended, and expecting service.

Bad taste? Yes, I meant every bit of that. Its not illegal like mentioned before, but it is however not a good choice for everyone. I personally don't agree with it but that obviously isn't going to change the narrow minded people on this forum with no real understanding of product quality control.

 

[Old Smuggler]

Yes they have

Arguing about someone else's money is stupid

 

[JAT]

I'm sorry, are you posting someone's photoshop work as some sort of "proof" that Apple is breaking the law?