Apple pay - do you have to double click?

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macrumors 6502a
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Do you have to double click to bring up apple pay?

If so, would it not be so much better to be able to pay without having to double click? I would like to wave my watch or phone at payment without having to click anything.
 

harlenmm77

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Don't have to double click with phone. Just put it near the NFC reader and rest a finger on the home button.
 

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It's not that big a deal. Double click and then move the watch toward the reader. It's an easy motion.
It would be easier without it! Apple pay needs to compete with tap to pay cards, cards that DO NOT require any clicking to work.

I want Apple pay to be my main payment method, including on the underground instead of using my tap to pay debit card. But the clicking is silly
 

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It would be easier without it! Apple pay needs to compete with tap to pay cards, cards that DO NOT require any clicking to work.

I want Apple pay to be my main payment method, including on the underground instead of using my tap to pay debit card. But the clicking is silly
On your iPhone you confirm you want to pay by using your fingerprint. Clicking is the only way to confirm with your :apple:Watch. If it was automatic (NO confirmation on your part) people could carry around portable scanners, walk by and rob you by charging your :apple:Pay.
 

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On your iPhone you confirm you want to pay by using your fingerprint. Clicking is the only way to confirm with your :apple:Watch. If it was automatic (NO confirmation on your part) people could carry around portable scanners, walk by and rob you by charging your :apple:Pay.
I don't believe that would happen. Or perhaps it would be as common as pickpocketing. Think of the effort it would take, and Apple Pay is limited to £30 per transaction in the U.K. at least. Also it could be counteracted quite easily with a cancelation option, or various other solutions that I am sure with a bit of thought would not be to hard to implement.

It would actually be quite hard to do, especially once their watch dings and they realise what just happened.

I don't believe that should stop Apple giving an option to make it easier to pay.
 

Julien

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I don't believe that would happen....
Our (everyone's) beliefs are often not based in absolute facts (mine included). The fact is it CAN easily be done and would completely negate the near perfect security of :apple:Pay. Just one incident and it would be headline news and a PR disaster. No way to have a secure system with an easily exploitable and obvious GAPPING hole. Even people for non-nefarious reasons would be executing the exploit just for the challenge. There would be no way to walk anywhere in public without feeling you are being targeted.
 
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I don't believe that would happen. Or perhaps it would be as common as pickpocketing. Think of the effort it would take, and Apple Pay is limited to £30 per transaction in the U.K. at least. Also it could be counteracted quite easily with a cancelation option, or various other solutions that I am sure with a bit of thought would not be to hard to implement.

It would actually be quite hard to do, especially once their watch dings and they realise what just happened.

I don't believe that should stop Apple giving an option to make it easier to pay.
Wow, are you the kind of person who used to click on emails entitled "Nude pics of Anna Kournikova" because you actually believed it contained nude pics of Anna Kournikova?

There is a reason there is a market for NFC-proof wallets etc.

You have to double-click the button, that's how it is.
 

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It would be easier without it! Apple pay needs to compete with tap to pay cards, cards that DO NOT require any clicking to work.

I want Apple pay to be my main payment method, including on the underground instead of using my tap to pay debit card. But the clicking is silly
How about pay by mind control? That would be even easier.
 
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Our (everyone's) beliefs are often not based in absolute facts (mine included). The fact is it CAN easily be done and would completely negate the near perfect security of :apple:Pay. Just one incident and it would be headline news and a PR disaster. No way to have a secure system with an easily exploitable and obvious GAPPING hole. Even people for non-nefarious reasons would be executing the exploit just for the challenge. There would be no way to walk anywhere in public without feeling you are being targeted.
Welcome to 2017, when double-clicking a button on your watch to pay for stuff in the blink of an eye is not a semi-futuristic dream come true, but still too inconvenient. :rolleyes:
Especially when the elderly person in front of you is writing a check. :eek::D:D
Wow, are you the kind of person who used to click on emails entitled "Nude pics of Anna Kournikova" because you actually believed it contained nude pics of Anna Kournikova?

There is a reason there is a market for NFC-proof wallets etc.

You have to double-click the button, that's how it is.
whoa. Am I the only one who has tried to use Apple Pay on the london underground?

Assuming I AM the only one who has tried to use Apple Pay on the london underground in peak hour, let me explain a bit...

In peak hour, everyone rushes through the gates as fast as they can. any hold up at the gates pisses everyone else off. currently, 95% of people use oyster cards with are instantaneous when swiping on the pad. Apple pay takes ~5 seconds to register and open the gate, an annoyance. Lets assume I go through these gates 4 times a day every day to get to and from work, double clicking my watch to use the gates is a small annoyance that I am just not going to bother with if I can use my oyster card.

Please consider that yes it is a small thing but perhaps a no double click OPTION (KEY WORD BEING OPTION) might be desirable to some people. Also consider that as payments evolve, in the future there will be much easier and faster ways to pay than apple pay and it will have to compete.

Also; the personal attacks are appreciated and highly warranted, thanks.
 

Kyle76

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The double click is not your problem. It's the verification lag. You can double click 15-20 seconds in advance of the stile, and your Apple Pay is armed and ready. I can complete the clicking in one second or less. No insults, but I just don't see the issue, and I doubt that any financial institution is going to allow its card to be used by Apple Pay without this minimal security measure.
 

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The Japanese models of the Apple Watch (which have extra hardware to support the FeliCa system used by cards like Suica, which are very popular in Japan) do support paying without having to double-click the side button first, but only with Suica cards.

(Edit: I'm going to leave the above as I wrote it but add the correction re hardware here - apparently it's the iPhone 7 that uses different hardware for the Japanese model, while the Watch Series 2 uses the same chip from NXP in all models worldwide, but with FeliCa functionality disabled outside Japan, probably due to regulatory approval reasons)

Apple has an extra feature implemented called "Express Transit Card" to support it: https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207154

Essentially, the card that you assign as your Express Transit Card in settings will automatically be used to pay when you bring your watch near the reader, without having to activate Apple Pay first by double-clicking. Only Suica cards can be assigned as an Express Transit Card, and because FeliCa is widely supported in Japan, you can also use this feature to pay for other things you'd normally use a Suica card to pay for (usually convenience store purchases, vending machines, etc).

Naturally, the reason this feature can't be used with other credit cards is because of the aforementioned security issues around it (some of which are to do with the banks' requirements), whereas Suica cards are limited in a number of ways that makes this use case practical, like it not being a normal credit card (it's like a transit card or debit card where it must be topped up, although it does support auto-top-up).

And as with Suica cards and other systems, when you add a Suica card to Apple Pay the card is actually "transferred" to the device, meaning the plastic card itself stops working. A Suica card is essentially a virtual card identifier that can be moved between cards and devices and only exists in one place at a time. But the Suica companion app supports generating a new card account on-the-fly, so if you have a physical Suica card you want to keep, you can ask the app to create a new virtual card for Apple Pay use (just like getting a new physical card from a 7-Eleven and then immediately transferring it to a phone, etc).

So yeah, it's actually possible with the Japanese models, but wouldn't be an advisable feature to implement for general credit cards.
 
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The Japanese models of the Apple Watch (which have extra hardware to support the FeliCa system used by cards like Suica, which are very popular in Japan) do support paying without having to double-click the side button first, but only with Suica cards
Suica on the Apple Watch is a true joy to use. It works flawlessly, even when the watch is buried under the sleeve of a heavy coat.

Suica is accepted in a wide variety of stores nowadays, too. For instance, today I purchased a pair of drumsticks at a music store that accepted Suica.
 
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Julien

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I can give you a better advice.....DON'T USE APPLE PAY ON YOUR APPLE WATCH. Use your iPhone and call it day.
Elaborate as to why you 'advise' against using :apple:Pay on the :apple:Watch? Also what if someone is going for a run without their iPhone and wants to buy a bottle of water?
 

Shanghaichica

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It would be easier without it! Apple pay needs to compete with tap to pay cards, cards that DO NOT require any clicking to work.

I want Apple pay to be my main payment method, including on the underground instead of using my tap to pay debit card. But the clicking is silly
If I want to use my cards I have to go into my bag, dig around, find my purse, take it out, get my card out and then put it on the reader. If I want to use my watch all I have to do is double click and bring it up to the reader. That's much easier for me.
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whoa. Am I the only one who has tried to use Apple Pay on the london underground?

Assuming I AM the only one who has tried to use Apple Pay on the london underground in peak hour, let me explain a bit...

In peak hour, everyone rushes through the gates as fast as they can. any hold up at the gates pisses everyone else off. currently, 95% of people use oyster cards with are instantaneous when swiping on the pad. Apple pay takes ~5 seconds to register and open the gate, an annoyance. Lets assume I go through these gates 4 times a day every day to get to and from work, double clicking my watch to use the gates is a small annoyance that I am just not going to bother with if I can use my oyster card.

Please consider that yes it is a small thing but perhaps a no double click OPTION (KEY WORD BEING OPTION) might be desirable to some people. Also consider that as payments evolve, in the future there will be much easier and faster ways to pay than apple pay and it will have to compete.

Also; the personal attacks are appreciated and highly warranted, thanks.
I've not used it on the tube as I have to get a paper ticket as I commute into London. If I did use it I would just do the double tap perhaps when the person in front of me was approaching the barrier so that it would be ready when I got to the reader.
 

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I use my watch on the underground, you have ample time and fore warning that you are approaching the gates.
Double click your watch as you're coming up the escalators and it will still be ready when you get to the gates.
It really is a minor thing.
 

Kyle76

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I use my watch on the underground, you have ample time and fore warning that you are approaching the gates.
Double click your watch as you're coming up the escalators and it will still be ready when you get to the gates.
It really is a minor thing.
The card remains "ready" for nearly a minute after the double click, plenty of time it have it "primed" before you reach the gate.
 

BSben

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I don't believe that would happen. Or perhaps it would be as common as pickpocketing. Think of the effort it would take, and Apple Pay is limited to £30 per transaction in the U.K. at least. Also it could be counteracted quite easily with a cancelation option, or various other solutions that I am sure with a bit of thought would not be to hard to implement.

It would actually be quite hard to do, especially once their watch dings and they realise what just happened.

I don't believe that should stop Apple giving an option to make it easier to pay.
Apple Pay is NOT limited to £30 per transaction in the UK, most retailers have it capped at £30, but M&S, Apple Stores and many others have no limit, but your bank balance.
 
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