Sure there are. Each manufacturer is a competitor. And there are more payment systems than the two mentioned.
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Apple Pay Faces Swiss Antitrust Investigation Over NFC Access
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Hmm.
I think those who argue they aren’t following the spirit of what they’re being asked to do would say they are maliciously complying.
I think there’s probably a spectrum here. I don’t think you have to go all the way to doing the worst possible version of complying for it to be malicious.
Don’t think so.
I just never given in to subscribe to subscribing to Apple Music or tv+ (no not even for a trial).
My bank was doing this nonsense for a while, but then the customers complained and they eventually relented. I’m sick of companies trying to push their crappy apps at us too.
In any case, why are we even arguing about this?
Switzerland is just trying to get on par with what Apple already did for the EU re: NFC.
Switzerland is just trying to get on par with what Apple already did for the EU re: NFC.
Apple is following the law. They either are or they are not. In a general sense the more complicated and complex the law is and attempts to eliminate loopholes is usually why there are loopholes embedded in the law.
You are the one that said they were maliciously complying, not me.
In any case, please see my post above this one.
I don’t even see why we are arguing about this as the EU and Apple have already come to terms on this and Switzerland is just trying to get the same situation it sounds like.
Do payment providers enter into separate contracts with Huawei, HMD, Motorola, Samsung, Oppo for Google Pay access on their respective devices?
No, they don’t.
So no.
I’m not sure how the concept of software platforms is so lost on you, or why you so steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it - especially since you did so for Microsoft’s “dominant position”.
It’s like saying “Oh, Microsoft has no dominant position because they’s Asus, Dell, Lenovo, HP etc”
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Applied Micro said they were maliciously complying. Not me.
I’m not arguing I’m discussing. And because “you don’t see why” doesn’t mean others won’t want to discuss. Does that make sense?
"You'll own nothing and be happy" vibes
There are still hundreds of competitors to Apple. And you’re trying to redefine the market as NFC payment processors.
Where do I do that?
I hit the little "dismiss" X thing every time.
Pisses me off so much.
I shouldn't have to be opting OUT of promotions from Apple on my own device, and I promise you I never opted in.
Maybe Apple "intelligence" can one day realize that if I always hit "X" and never sign up for anything, I don't want their promotions?
…with, at most, negligible marketshare.
For payment providers in Switzerland, they pretty much face a duopoly.
It’s not me.
That’s what this antitrust investigation is concerned with.
It’s not about sales of smartphone hardware devices.
I read this as you acknowledging they are complying maliciously.
I'm really not sure how else one would read it, but my apologies if you didn't mean it this way.
You might want to edit that post.
The argument doesn’t make any sense - because the payment providers (banks) receive the same transaction data anyway.
No app needed.
Thats ridiculous. Apple is a minority player in Germany. Secondly, there are other monopolies that are far more egregious than going after Apple for not allowing people to be harassed all over the internet via tracking. MSFT Windows, Google Search and YouTube are right there.
The camera is not yours, it's Apple's and they can choose who gets access to it.
The speaker is not yours, it's Apple's and they can choose who gets access to it.
The mic is not yours, it's Apple's and they can choose who gets access to it.
The Wi-Fi chip is not yours, it's Apple's and they can choose who gets access to it.
The modem chip is not yours, it's Apple's and they can choose who gets access to it.
This is ridiculous. If I own the device, let me decide what apps and who can access it.
Luckily for you, you'll have the choice to decide whether or not use that credit card.
Since Android devices give full access to the NFC chip already,
Android devices freely allow third-parties to use NFC technology, but Apple only began allowing Swiss app developers to access its NFC interface in late 2024.
can you cite any credit cards that require downloading a specific app to use them?
It starts to make one wonder ...
Should a user have to even pay for the iPhone?
It seems like Apple wants to still own it even after they "sold" it to you.
Perhaps they should move iPhone under a new tier of Apple One .. "Apple Complete" or something .. and folks just rent everything from them, even the hardware.
(the problem is that they actually do want the money from selling it to you and STILL control it ... the old having their cake and eating it too routine)
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go to wallet notification settings - either via settings or directly in wallet app and turn off "offers & promotions" this was added after all the pushback i believe from the popups for F1
some of that is certainly anti-competitive behavior, some of it is security related.
As to your last line, that is basically how the android and PC world works.
Don't forget that it's also how the Mac works.
On the Mac, I decide what apps to download and install... even ones outside of Apple's App Store.
There's at least several dozen competitors if not more, google and apple certainly dominate the US market but that's not true in every region - every bank and other payment processors like paypal can and do have their own tap to pay functions that would like NFC use.
Apple's NFC restrictions have 100% been anti-competitive.
🤓☝️ Ackshually, you own the hardware but only a license to the software that makes it work, bestowed upon you by our benevolent lord Apple. So yes, Apple did choose who gets to access all that stuff that you ostensibly paid for, and they chose you! You should feel blessed to have such a privilege and honor!