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[indefinite]

not sure what's the point when Waymo and Tesla robotaxis are going to make these legacy transit options obsolete.

In the Bay Area, a Robotaxi from the East Bay to San Francisco costs around $55-60 (slightly cheaper than a full price Uber).

However, the BART is much faster and probably costs you around $8-9 per one-way trip and gets you there in just ONE HOUR during peak traffic.

 

[germanbeer007]

In the Bay Area, a Robotaxi from the East Bay to San Francisco costs around $55-60 (slightly cheaper than a full price Uber).

However, the BART is much faster and probably costs you around $8-9 per one-way trip and gets you there in just ONE HOUR during peak traffic.

1. Waymo? Sure. They're blowing cash and think they don't have much competition. Tesla's (supervised) robotaxi currently sits in much cheaper

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954025013167743020

2. BART is subsidized by tax payers.
3. Factor in Teslas in tunnels time.

 

[wikiverse]

space isn't an issue when boring company builds tunnels for far less than subways. and it's even cheaper to maintain than above ground roads because tunnels don't suffer from extreme weather or heavy truck loads.



Again, see above. Also you're failing to factor in trains are much slower due to needed stops along your journey while a robotaxi takes you directly to the destination point without stopping.



Incorrect. See above.



Boring Company already proved it out in Vegas it's possible. Their energy usage is already more efficient per pax-mile too.



Boring company tunnels cost less to maintain than subway tunnels. just a fact.



non-issue. roads are primarily damaged by heavy truck loads, something of which will not be in boring company tunnels.


There's already data showing that despite Waymo costing more (due to having a monopoly in autonomous vehicles before Tesla), people prefer to take a Waymo over a cheaper Uber.

That's why the Las Vegas tunnels built by the Boring company have been a roaring success, came in on-time and on-budget and use 100% automated robotaxis with no human drivers at all. Right?

You seem to forget that tunnels need access points in an out of them at various places for people to get where they need to go, to they're TERRIBLE for cities because they cannot service local areas. You'll argue that they can just build 'stopping points underground' - which are train/bus stations. If you've got MILLIONS of people moving through these tunnels all going in the same direction for roughly the same distance, then you've now got traffic jams in the tunnels - something that has been a regular occurrence in Las Vegas - with cars queued in the tunnels waiting for a space to pull up at the station because people take time to load their bags into cars.

The functional reality of your delusional tech-bro utopia has already proven to not work, which is why the Boring company has exactly zero other cities anywhere in the world purchasing what they're offering.

 

[germanbeer007]

That's why the Las Vegas tunnels built by the Boring company have been a roaring success

So much so, the city approved a 30 mile extension. After that it approved a second extension and they're allowed to build 60+ miles.

, came in on-time and on-budget

they broke ground in December 2019 and then months later, covid happened and shut the entire world down. what infrastructure project that started before covid finished on time and on budget?

and use 100% automated robotaxis with no human drivers at all. Right?

1. Fire department is preventing Boring company from using unsupervised robotaxis. They didn't even let them use active safety features of the Tesla car. They were literally forced to turn off automatic emergency brakes in the tunnels.
2. Boring company has no control over robotaxi software. That's Tesla, a different company.

What does that have to do with Boring Company?

You seem to forget that tunnels need access points in an out of them at various places for people to get where they need to go, to they're TERRIBLE for cities because they cannot service local areas.

? This is the exact reason why it can serve local areas. It's so cheap to build, you can connect low density areas. A subway would never connect low density areas because it's not sustainable financially. And nice thing about Teslas is that they can exit the tunnel and use regular streets if needed to pick up people from remote areas and go back into the tunnel.

Also adding a new station along the tunnel path doesn't slow the journey time down. If you added a station on a subway line, you've slowed down the subway trip time for everyone, unless you build an express lane which is extra millions of dollars and creates scheduling limitations.

You'll argue that they can just build 'stopping points underground' - which are train/bus stations. If you've got MILLIONS of people moving through these tunnels all going in the same direction for roughly the same distance, then you've now got traffic jams in the tunnels

Except you can layer more tunnels if needed because they're so low cost.

- something that has been a regular occurrence in Las Vegas

No. that viral "congested" video of the loop happened when the 3rd station shut down. when you shut down 33% of the stations, of course there would be congestion.

Also this is a daily occurrence of a subway lmao. Congested to the max and no solution in sight:

- with cars queued in the tunnels waiting for a space to pull up at the station because people take time to load their bags into cars.

there's more than one loading bay. and this didn't really happen so far because most people generally don't load bags in LVCC loop so what are you talking about?

The functional reality of your delusional tech-bro utopia has already proven to not work, which is why the Boring company has exactly zero other cities anywhere in the world purchasing what they're offering.

Nope. I've countered all of your points.

 

[applefan8254]

Hi, just chiming in , to say hello that I am not the same person or friends at all with germanbeer007 but I am appreciative of his posts on this topic.

 

[steve62388]

The fact that you have to tap the android phone at the same time as someone tapping your iPhone and having your bank approve the transaction at the same time while trying to assume you have Express mode enabled on a Visa is really really slim.

MKBHD is doing what he does best, clickbait.

It’s a Veritasium video.

I could imagine a practical way to run the scam. And it’s completely preventable, it doesn’t work with Mastercard because they have implemented a simple security measure.

 

[seek3r]

In the Bay Area, a Robotaxi from the East Bay to San Francisco costs around $55-60 (slightly cheaper than a full price Uber).

However, the BART is much faster and probably costs you around $8-9 per one-way trip and gets you there in just ONE HOUR during peak traffic.

Worth pointing out the NYC subway/bus is even cheaper, you can get to anywhere in the city to anywhere else in the city for $3, and it’s capped at $35/week, any ride after you hit $35 on that card/device for the rest of the week is free (that system replaced the weekly cards)

Meanwhile a single uber ride in the city can run $60-$70 or more

 

[dontwalkhand]

Worth pointing out the NYC subway/bus is even cheaper, you can get to anywhere in the city to anywhere else in the city for $3, and it’s capped at $35/week, any ride after you hit $35 on that card/device for the rest of the week is free (that system replaced the weekly cards)

Meanwhile a single uber ride in the city can run $60-$70 or more

And since the person championing for Tesla tunnels lives in Los Angeles, it’s even cheaper there, capped at $18 a week, $5 a day, and $1.75 a ride. And if you really are hurt for money, they have a free ride program that only requires you to self certify, and they will load the 20 free rides onto a virtual TAP card for free, or a physical TAP card for $4.

The Tesla tunnels dont offer any type of free rides, reduced fares, and a day pass is $13, and you can only go around in circles within 3 miles. That is not useful transit. Oh and the Tesla pass doesn’t work on anything else either. The TAP card works for bike share, and even parking…It’s as if a regional transit agency can actually have the power to integrate things on this scale 😛

 

[wikiverse]

So much so, the city approved a 30 mile extension. After that it approved a second extension and they're allowed to build 60+ miles.



they broke ground in December 2019 and then months later, covid happened and shut the entire world down. what infrastructure project that started before covid finished on time and on budget?



1. Fire department is preventing Boring company from using unsupervised robotaxis. They didn't even let them use active safety features of the Tesla car. They were literally forced to turn off automatic emergency brakes in the tunnels.
2. Boring company has no control over robotaxi software. That's Tesla, a different company.

What does that have to do with Boring Company?



? This is the exact reason why it can serve local areas. It's so cheap to build, you can connect low density areas. A subway would never connect low density areas because it's not sustainable financially. And nice thing about Teslas is that they can exit the tunnel and use regular streets if needed to pick up people from remote areas and go back into the tunnel.

Also adding a new station along the tunnel path doesn't slow the journey time down. If you added a station on a subway line, you've slowed down the subway trip time for everyone, unless you build an express lane which is extra millions of dollars and creates scheduling limitations.



Except you can layer more tunnels if needed because they're so low cost.



No. that viral "congested" video of the loop happened when the 3rd station shut down. when you shut down 33% of the stations, of course there would be congestion.

Also this is a daily occurrence of a subway lmao. Congested to the max and no solution in sight:

there's more than one loading bay. and this didn't really happen so far because most people generally don't load bags in LVCC loop so what are you talking about?




Nope. I've countered all of your points.

You've countered nothing. Mass Transit is the best possible solution. Robotaxis don't solve the geometry problem of cars taking up space to move millions of people along the same corridors.

Robotaxis at best are a replacement for existing taxis and ubers. That's it.

 

[germanbeer007]

You've countered nothing.

Countered pretty much every point.

Mass Transit is the best possible solution.

Nothing supporting your assertion.

Robotaxis don't solve the geometry problem of cars taking up space to move millions of people along the same corridors.

Space isn't an issue when tunnels are extremely cheap and easily to build. Meanwhile subway operators are spending months how to optimize the scheduling to fit one more train that wouldn't make a dent into the platform congestion.

Robotaxis at best are a replacement for existing taxis and ubers. That's it.

Teslas in tunnels already do more ridership than a subway line.

 

[germanbeer007]

Worth pointing out the NYC subway/bus is even cheaper,

Worth noting subways are subsidized by the billions from taxpayers.

 

[germanbeer007]

And since the person championing for Tesla tunnels lives in Los Angeles, it’s even cheaper there, capped at $18 a week, $5 a day, and $1.75 a ride. And if you really are hurt for money, they have a free ride program that only requires you to self certify, and they will load the 20 free rides onto a virtual TAP card for free, or a physical TAP card for $4.

Subsidized by the billions by tax payers.

The Tesla tunnels dont offer any type of free rides

False. Rides within LVCC loop are entirely free. You know why? Because LVCVA uses tax payer dollars to pay Boring Company for the rides within LVCC. Rides outside of LVCC aren't tax subsidized, therefore it costs money.

See how that works now?

 

[seek3r]

Worth noting subways are subsidized by the billions from taxpayers.

Yes, that’s literally the point of public transit… it’s a loss leader for the economy. NYC would not exist in anything close to its current form without the subway

 

[dontwalkhand]

Subsidized by the billions by tax payers.


False. Rides within LVCC loop are entirely free. You know why? Because LVCVA uses tax payer dollars to pay Boring Company for the rides within LVCC. Rides outside of LVCC aren't tax subsidized, therefore it costs money.

See how that works now?

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You can literally just walk between the LVCC stations. The rides are free within the building. So it’s like an airport inter terminal people mover than actual transit.

 

[germanbeer007]

Yes, that’s literally the point of public transit… it’s a loss leader for the economy. NYC would not exist in anything close to its current form without the subway

You're arguing the public transit ticket prices are cheaper than Loop. If Loop had proportionally similar tax payer subsidies as to a subway, their ticket prices would be the same, if not, cheaper (we already see free loop rides within LVCC because of tax payers).

So the argument that subway ticket prices are cheaper is largely false, at best, unfounded.

You seem to be moving the argument to about "subways are supposed to lose money". That's not what is being argued currently.

 

[germanbeer007]

You can literally just walk between the LVCC stations. The rides are free within the building. So it’s like an airport inter terminal people mover than actual transit.

You seem to be changing the argument to about something else. You argued "The Tesla tunnels dont offer any type of free rides". It's literally false. Discussion is about costs.