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It has been out for the past year?

Apple Pay works in Germany since October 2014 for the customers who have bank accounts in the countries that Apple Pay was launched in. I have American bank account so I have been using Apple Pay since its launch in October 2014, and my first-ever purchase with Apple Pay was at REWE supermarket.

Ever since the list of restaurants, stores, services, etc. in Germany that accept Apple Pay has grown to the obscene length that I no longer update it.

The only caveat is if they use the Sparkasse Händlerservice (Sparkasse Business Service) for its point-of-sale terminals and card readers, you are blocked from using Apple Pay. A huge middle finger at Sparkasse...
 
Its changing.

The problem with credit cards within the EU was that credit cards like visa and mastercard raising a high fee for the merchant (3% and higher). The girocard/electronic cash(ec) has a fee of 0.3% (back in 2015). In late 2015 that changed. EC 0.2% and VISA/Mastercard 0.3% so credit card acceptance is still growing. However this is the problem why apple pay wasn't available in germany, as apple raises a fee of 0.15% and no bank is willing to give another 0.15% (50% of the fee in total) to apple from their 0.3%.
 
Well, credit cards can be used in major stores in Japan, but part of it is to do with the prevalence of IC (stored value) cards like Suica, PASMO, ICOCA, etc which have been providing widespread contactless payments for a lot longer than credit cards have in other countries. Contactless IC cards have been around for about 17 years, and their use for transit means a huge proportion of people in Japan have been using them for a long time. They have no barrier to entry (because they aren't a credit card), they're faster to use than credit cards, they're widely accepted for purchases in stores, vending machines, etc, and can be recharged via a credit card or bank account automatically anyway.

So the long term prevalence of IC cards means credit cards have been the ones trying to play catch up. Why would someone use a credit card in Japan when IC cards have been around longer and accepted in way more places? (the "credit" nature of credit cards was also probably a hard sell culturally by banks in Japan after the distrust created by the Japanese financial crisis of the 1990s)

And also years before the iPhone even existed, IC cards were already available on phones in Japan in the form of what's known as Osaifu-Keitai (i.e. mobile wallet) support. Japan was well ahead of other countries in mobile phone technology in the 1990s and early 2000s.

So basically, IC cards were there first and still provide superior convenience today. (edit: I should clarify that all of the above is talking about every day purchases like food, taxis, convenience stores, supermarkets, buses, trains, vendors, and so on - for expensive purchases like buying a TV or other electronics, paying for a hotel, etc, credit cards will almost always be accepted in those situations anyway)

If you visit Japan, do yourself a favour and pick up a Suica card, or if you have an iPhone 8 or Apple Watch Series 3 or above, you can just create one directly in Apple Pay using the Suica app. This is what I did a couple of weeks ago when I was lucky enough to be able to make another visit.

Suica has been available on Apple Pay for a few years (starting with the Japan-specific models of the iPhone 7 and Apple Watch Series 2), and it's proven incredibly popular there. Apple Pay also natively supports the recharge of Suica cards from any Apple Pay Visa, Mastercard or Amex card as well, making it particularly handy for inbound travellers.

Thanks you for this writeup, much appreciated.
 
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Thats not true anymore, the merchants fee is limited to 0,2% for debit cards and 0,3% for credit cards issued in the EU as per EU law, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreditkarte#cite_note-33

This limit only applies to interchange fees for cross border transactions in europe. Those are the fees that banks charge to each other to facilitate the payment of a foreign card.

For merchants this might have an effect, but de merchant fee won't be lowered to 0,3%.
Typical merchant fee for smaller shops is 2-3% for credit cards, while debit cards tend to have a fixed amount per transaction.
 
That and „Achtung! Scheissenschnitzel!“ oder so...;)
Berlin-Shoju you didn't get his joke.
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Yes so true! So few places take credit cards in Germany!

They use bank linked debit cards (Maestro Cards etc). Their terminals are almost all equipped with NFC, so the ApplePay protocol works in store chains everywhere and in the retail trade in many cases, although the Apple Pay option is not yet "officially" known. Many people in Germany have used ApplePay via Boon in recent years. That goes well. It just cost a few cents in commission.
 
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Thats not true anymore, the merchants fee is limited to 0,2% for debit cards and 0,3% for credit cards issued in the EU as per EU law, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreditkarte#cite_note-33

BTW: That's also the reason why it took them so long to support Apple Pay. If you can charge merchants 3%, it is easy to give 1% cash-back and hand over 0.15% to Apple. Not so much if you can take 0.3% max. I guess banks negotiated that down to 0.05% or even less, and Apple eventually had to agree in order not to lose out.
 
Deutsche Bank is included in the list of banks that will support Apple Pay from start. And most younger people don't use Sparkasse anyways.
I'm 30 and I'm at Sparkasse. Yes, they have no-nos like transaction fees, but at least they feel like a bank. And every bank has its quirks - otherwise they wouldn't be banks and make a business.

As for "younger" money apps...N26 just plain annoys me with their plastering ads with slogans like "Not your 's bank", or slogans where they intentionally mixed up letters (I sure would trust my money with people who think misspelling is fun) or bragging with their app store stars (without giving the date of that rating) almost literally everywhere. I wouldn't even think of switching to them. Not everything that's new is good.

Apple Pay would've been neat, but I sure as hell won't switch my bank just because of it.
 
That's what I thought. I have used to pay at Frankfurt airport just a few months ago.
ApplePay works with (nearly) every terminal that supports contactless payments with the supported credit card brands (Visa, Mastercard, AmEx, ...), worldwide. What does not yet exist in Germany is a bank offering German credit cards or German bank accounts that work with ApplePay.

Of course, even if you live in Germany, you can easily get a credit card from another EU Member State such as France or Ireland and use Apple Pay. I've been using a boon credit card from Ireland (ironically issued by Wirecard, a German bank) for months.
 
If you visit Japan, do yourself a favour and pick up a Suica card, or if you have an iPhone 8 or Apple Watch Series 3 or above, you can just create one directly in Apple Pay using the Suica app. This is what I did a couple of weeks ago when I was lucky enough to be able to make another visit.

Suica has been available on Apple Pay for a few years (starting with the Japan-specific models of the iPhone 7 and Apple Watch Series 2), and it's proven incredibly popular there. Apple Pay also natively supports the recharge of Suica cards from any Apple Pay Visa, Mastercard or Amex card as well, making it particularly handy for inbound travellers.
This is interesting. On my last trip to Japan I tried adding a (physical) Suica card to Apple Pay but couldn't get it to work. Later I read in the Apple support article that the device region needs to be set to Japan. But that is a huge hassle for international travelers because (among other things) it will disable credit cards from your home country in Apple Pay AFAIK. Is there any way around this?

Also, they really need to add some other languages to the Suica app ...
 
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For merchants this might have an effect, but de merchant fee won't be lowered to 0,3%.
Typical merchant fee for smaller shops is 2-3% for credit cards, while debit cards tend to have a fixed amount per transaction.

That's absolutely wrong.
 
This is interesting. On my last trip to Japan I tried adding a (physical) Suica card to Apple Pay but couldn't get it to work. Later I read in the Apple support article that the device region needs to be set to Japan. But that is a huge hassle for international travelers because (among other things) it will disable credit cards from your home country in Apple Pay AFAIK. Is there any way around this?

Also, they really need to add some other languages to the Suica app ...

If you want to transfer a physical Suica card to Apple Pay you need to change the region temporarily so that the option shows up, but this has no impact on your credit cards from your home country - they won't be deleted or disabled.

Yes, it would be handy if they would provide an English localisation for the Suica app :D It is a deceptively large app if you enable the full account functions, but most people will use it just to create a new Suica, which is much easier. (by the way, if you want to use the app to create a new Suica card, you don't even need to change the region)

For people wanting to visit Japan and use Suica, it's much easier/quicker if you create a new card using the Suica app rather than transfer a physical card into Apple Pay. Unlike a credit card, because Suica and other IC cards are stored value and not necessarily attached to any account or owner, they can only exist in one place at a time, so transferring a physical card in to Apple Pay permanently disables the original physical card.

There's a very detailed guide that describes how to use all the functions of the Suica app for non-Japanese speakers over here: https://atadistance.net/all-about-suica-app/ It covers how to create a new card, along with much more complicated functionality that I think most foreigners should avoid unless you know some Japanese.
 
This should be eminent because I’m getting all sort of constant notifications from my bank Deutsche Bank.
 

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This is interesting. On my last trip to Japan I tried adding a (physical) Suica card to Apple Pay but couldn't get it to work. Later I read in the Apple support article that the device region needs to be set to Japan. But that is a huge hassle for international travelers because (among other things) it will disable credit cards from your home country in Apple Pay AFAIK. Is there any way around this?

Also, they really need to add some other languages to the Suica app ...

Suica worked pretty good for me. It really showed me what ApplePay can do. I was able to use my boon card in Japan too. You have to set the region to Japan while adopting the card to your iPhone. Which was pretty simple - I just hat to put my physical suica card on the table and lay my iPhone on it, that's it.

Interesting fact: Paying was super easy, even without unlocking my iPhone, even when display was off. Just hold it on the reader and "beep" - finished. It worked for public transport of course and on a lot of the vending machines. As I remember, supermarkets accepted it too.


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Interesting fact: Paying was super easy, even without unlocking my iPhone, even when display was off.

Yep! One of the great advantages of Suica in Apple Pay (in addition to being lightning fast because it uses FeliCa) is that by default it's set as an Express Travel Pass in Wallet, so it's always active and ready for the reader without having to press any buttons or confirm the payment with Touch ID/Face ID.

This makes for a very smooth experience on Apple Watch, because you just pass your watch over the reader as you walk through the transit gate, without having to do anything in advance.

Another interesting thing to note is that Express Travel Passes on the iPhone XS and XR have the extra special advantage of continuing to work even if the phone has run out of battery and entered reserve power mode.
 
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I'm 30 and I'm at Sparkasse. Yes, they have no-nos like transaction fees, but at least they feel like a bank. And every bank has its quirks - otherwise they wouldn't be banks and make a business.

As for "younger" money apps...N26 just plain annoys me with their plastering ads with slogans like "Not your 's bank", or slogans where they intentionally mixed up letters (I sure would trust my money with people who think misspelling is fun) or bragging with their app store stars (without giving the date of that rating) almost literally everywhere. I wouldn't even think of switching to them. Not everything that's new is good.

Apple Pay would've been neat, but I sure as hell won't switch my bank just because of it.

What does "feel like a bank" mean? Do you go every day and touch the bricks of the branch near you? Do you literally think your money is stored in that branch? :D

There are tens of online-only banks and most of them are "real banks". They offer the same protection and insurance as any non-online bank. This German mentality of "oh I can see it therefore it is more real" is why many places still require Bargeld and living in the dark ages.

Move on, dude!
 
That's what I thought. I have used to pay at Frankfurt airport just a few months ago.
You were able to use Apple Pay in Germany only because you already had it set up with a supported card issued in the UK, since you live there. Under those circumstances, Apple Pay does work everywhere contactless payment is available. However, people in Germany can't set up Apple Pay yet with cards issued by their country's banks. That's what is about to change before the end of 2018.
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huh? I would've thought they had it years ago.
They had contactless payment, that's what they had. And that's why people who come from or have cards from other countries are already able to use Apple Pay in Germany. However, Germans with credit or debit cards issued by German banks still can't add their cards to wallet, and that's what is about to change.
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Enjoy! The next one is Czech Republic (early 2019).
That's just a rumor. We have no official confirmation from Apple on that.
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The list includes VISA and Mastercard, so everyone who has a VISA/Mastercard at their bank can use it for Apple Pay, right? If that's true, the "vast majority" of Germans will indeed be able to use Apple Pay.
Wrong. The list includes Visa and Mastercard as supported networks, but that's not the only requirement. The issuing bank also needs to add support for a card to be added to Apple Pay. As long as the banks haven't done that yet -and likely not all of them will do it on day one-, germans still won't be able to use Apple Pay with their VISA/Mastercard cards.
 
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