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I bet this feature will unfortunately put a lot of people in debt.

Someone could easily pay $166 for a MacBook once, and not have the remaining $833 after.
Wonder how Apple will combat this, or if Apple is going to make people be in debt or something.
This is the first thing I thought. What do they do when someone can't pay?
 
Ian, just about everything you have ever seen on tv and in movies about the US being developed is just images of people in debt with tons of things they cannot afford without using credit cards, loans, etc. Naturally there are exceptions but for the majority of Americans carrying debt on things you “bought” for most of your life is very normal.
This is why I don't understand items being status symbol. Maybe a symbol of being buried in debt?
 
This is the first thing I thought. What do they do when someone can't pay?
The same thing any consumer credit service does, charge interest which will only ballon the debt if they still can't pay in a timely manner. At some point someone will service the debt... that includes eventually taking the customer to collections and or court. That's why financial decisions to pay later/ take out a loan, need to be weighed with how likely they'll be able to make ongoing split up payments.

Apple wants people to use this as a convenience (not paying so much all at once). The problem is that some of the people who typically use these types of plans are more desperate to "get now" and less likely to "pay later."
 
I wasn't talking about that, but we can discuss this. Most of the things you're talking about involve finance and deal with a lot of government regulations. The USA is a bit more friendly (Some might say too friendly) towards business so it's easier for Apple to do something like this. Also this is where they are headquartered so yes, they're going to start whatever they do in their country first.

Besides not all "improvements" are USA first. With the new improved blocking of AirDrop connections, Apple started that in China first 🤣
Well with all those that I've mentioned, regardless of the USA being more friendly to financial dealings for business, doesn't mean Apple had to make announcements right away but wait until all ducks are in a row. NDA's and such.

AirDrop yeah that was OS wide when introduce, the improvement was China due to gov dealings being leaked out and thus CCP put an stop to it.
 
should only be for people with good credit then

Well that’s the irony of the whole financial system, isn’t it? People with good credit have good credit because they have more money than debt and have been shown to be capable of handling debt responsibly.

The rich get rewarded with higher interest rates, paid for by the poor. The system is designed for the poor to stay poor and the rich to get richer.

There are all kinds of reasons for this both personal and systemic, but BNPL services exist to enrich the creditor. There’s simply no other reason for them to exist.
 
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This is why I don't understand items being status symbol. Maybe a symbol of being buried in debt?

It’s a cultural thing. In America the idea of success for many people is the accumulation of things. Conspicuous consumption. The thing is, since the consumption is so visible, these people are held up as an example of “success” and “achieving the dream.” Quiet millionaires are less exciting and weaker for the marketing departments of brands. It’s all a mindset.
 
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Debt is not an addiction. Spending perhaps. People crave instant gratification but they do not want to end up underwater. Either way, people do not have to put sugar and salt in food either, but they do. And others are free to choose not to eat that. Apple is not a babysitter and these are not children anyway. These are adults and ultimately they need to act as such.
Opioids are addictions. So are overeating, gambling, and overspending. They are all issues that need to be addressed, and honestly I would avoid blaming the victims, saying they are just people who lack self control. When you’re in an environment where it is designed to attract you to do certain things, people will fall for those traps.

You can’t look at the obesity rate and accuse those people of being lazy when every store we have nowadays have sweets and fattening food ready at the check out. Similarly, you can’t simply blame those getting themselves in debt when companies are coming up with different ways to have you spend now and worry about it later. It may not be immoral what they’re doing, but it certainly does not help.

And to be fair, I’m not against this service. I don’t have strong opinions about it honestly. But I do get the concern of this contributing to the epidemic of overspending in this country. And simply blaming those who are suffering from it is quite ignorant. You can make the same argument for almost anyone in a bad situation, saying they deserve it, but it’s not helpful to the situation at all.

This is not about anyone trying to babysit anyone else. You, as someone who manages your finance well, still have every option to utilize services like this to pay later. However, I respectfully think some more sensitivity on your part would be nice.
 
Opioids are addictions. So are overeating, gambling, and overspending. They are all issues that need to be addressed, and honestly I would avoid blaming the victims, saying they are just people who lack self control. When you’re in an environment where it is designed to attract you to do certain things, people will fall for those traps.

You can’t look at the obesity rate and accuse those people of being lazy when every store we have nowadays have sweets and fattening food ready at the check out. Similarly, you can’t simply blame those getting themselves in debt when companies are coming up with different ways to have you spend now and worry about it later. It may not be immoral what they’re doing, but it certainly does not help.

And to be fair, I’m not against this service. I don’t have strong opinions about it honestly. But I do get the concern of this contributing to the epidemic of overspending in this country. And simply blaming those who are suffering from it is quite ignorant. You can make the same argument for almost anyone in a bad situation, saying they deserve it, but it’s not helpful to the situation at all.

This is not about anyone trying to babysit anyone else. You, as someone who manages your finance well, still have every option to utilize services like this to pay later. However, I respectfully think some more sensitivity on your part would be nice.

While sensitivity would be nice, it is not something I really need to provide. Perhaps there is a place for both voices. You give the sensitivity and understanding, and I’ll provide the bitter medicine. Then someone, hopefully, will make choices that land in the middle.

Sure there are bad choices available at every store. There are also good ones available. Packaging is eye catching and attractive. You know what is attractive? Health. You know what is not attractive? Personal effort. That is why I have little patience for people who eat fast food all the time while also going to absurd lengths to try to appear healthier than they are via makeup, filters, spanx, etc. and then complain about how “the system” or “society” makes it “impossible” for them. They actively seek shortcuts, instant gratification and do their best to avoid work and patience.

The same thing with this service. Not having something for now, considering if you really have a sensible use case for it, and putting off other splurges to save for buying this are just not as “fun.” Sensible adults, however, understand that money and time are finite, and that if you want something, you may not get something else as well.

The environment around it is not only designed to make these people make bad choices. We have open spaces, paved roads, parks and sidewalks. There is an immense amount of land and sky to observe. Also, I think there is nothing gained by referring to these people as victims. That infantilizes them when they always had agency.
 
Well with all those that I've mentioned, regardless of the USA being more friendly to financial dealings for business, doesn't mean Apple had to make announcements right away but wait until all ducks are in a row. NDA's and such.
Do you think Apple is going to wait years for other countries red tape, and delay the launch of a product or service just so they can launch it simultaneously worldwide and lose money? If that's what you're saying that's not going to happen, because when it comes down to it, Apple is a business and they're not going to leave money on the table for no reason

AirDrop yeah that was OS wide when introduce, the improvement was China due to gov dealings being leaked out and thus CCP put an stop to it.
I know this... My bad attempt at a joke went over your head I guess.
 
Pay Later just showed up in my wallet app.
 

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I chose $500 since I don’t really plan to use it and have an Apple Card. It did require me to unfreeze my credit, but it was quick approval.
 
just out of curiosity, how long are those 500$ good for?
30 days. Apparently it reports as a loan on your credit after you make your first purchase and pay it off, so I'm not actually going to use it, since I don't need it. To determine how much you quality (up to 1,000) they do a soft pull. Every 30 days you have to repeat that process. I think a good credit card will be a better option for most people.
 
30 days. Apparently it reports as a loan on your credit after you make your first purchase and pay it off, so I'm not actually going to use it, since I don't need it. To determine how much you quality (up to 1,000) they do a soft pull. Every 30 days you have to repeat that process. I think a good credit card will be a better option for most people.
That's cool if it actually reports. I would have to see if Affirm or Afterpay do this. I wonder what category it shows as too, CC or Installment
 
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That's cool if it actually reports. I would have to see if Affirm or Afterpay do this. I wonder what category it shows as too, CC or Installment
According to Apple they will. I don't want these reported on my credit, and I don't need to improve my score at all, so I don't plan to test the feature at this point. However, for someone trying to build credit, it could be a good option. These would likely report as a loan (installment).
Apple Financing plans to report Apple Pay Later loans to U.S. credit bureaus starting this fall,5 so they are reflected in users’ overall financial profiles and can help promote responsible lending for both the lender and the borrower.
 
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