iPhone Apple pay on iphone 5s

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  1. mrsan macrumors newbie

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    I didn't see this asked anywhere. Why is apple pay online(not with NFC at store) not supported on iPhone 5s? I don't see any logical reason. It has touch ID, same as new iPads. so what could be the reason?
     
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  3. Vegasryn macrumors 6502

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    It does not have the secure element required to store the randomly generated card used in Apple Pay
     
  4. Xenomorph macrumors 65816

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    Apple has a history of blocking/disabling software functionality.

    The iPad 2 and iPad mini 1 have basically the same hardware, but only the iPad mini 1 got Siri and voice dictation.

    The iPad Air 2, iPad mini 3, and iPhone 5S again have similar hardware (especially the iPad mini 3 and the iPhone 5S), yet only the iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 3 get Apple Pay.

    I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the 5S to get Apple Pay.



    Um... Neither does the iPad Air 2 or iPad mini 3, and they both got Apple Pay.

    https://www.apple.com/apple-pay/

    In fact, even paired with an iWatch, the iPhone 5S STILL won't have the in-app Apple Pay that the iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 3 get!
     
  5. Cougarcat macrumors 604

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    Edit: misread the question too. Didn't realize the 5S couldn't do online Apple Pay. I just assumed it does, since all the pieces are there. Unless the "secure element" is different from the secure enclave that Touch ID uses?
     
  6. Vegasryn macrumors 6502

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    Keep scrolling - under More Secure Payments....Device Account Number is assigned, encrypted, and securely stored in the Secure Element, a dedicated chip in iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch
     
  7. bkribbs macrumors 65816

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    Well, which of you is right?
     
  8. Vegasryn macrumors 6502

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    It will work with Apple watch, because it has the Secure Element...
     
  9. Solver macrumors 6502a

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    "Why doesn't Apple Pay work with the iPhone 5S?

    iPhone 5S users are probably wondering why their Touch ID doesn't work with Apple Pay. The problem is that the 5S doesn't have the SE chip, so it can't generate the code to transmit your credit or debit card number, even for in-app transactions.

    So, even though you have one part of the Apple Pay process covered with your Touch ID, you're missing the most important part: the security of the SE chip."

    http://www.cnet.com/news/everything-you-want-to-know-about-apple-pay/
     
  10. Small White Car, Oct 21, 2014
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    I can tell that you really really want this to be a software thing, but it's just not true.

    It's missing hardware. The 5S has a "secure enclave" in its chip, yes, but not a "secure element" which Apple Pay requires.

    Overview:
    http://www.cnet.com/news/everything-you-want-to-know-about-apple-pay/

    More details:
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8483283


    EDIT: Corrected the order of all these "E" words based on the post below.
     
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