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People are talking here about icloud as it's mostly music. I think the cloud will have little to do with music. Why?

1. The banner Lion + iOS5 + cloud = WWDC makes me think it's on the same level as the 2 OS's. And something that important has to be more than just music.

2. WWDC is not Apple's ipod/music yearly keynote. They have a keynote for the music stuff later in the year. If icloud was mostly music oriented it would not get a WWDC showing. It'd get a showing later in the year at the music keynote.

So me I think icloud will be the glue between iOS and Lion. Knitting them both together. Sure Apple got the music labels involved. But me that's just a side note to the real use of the cloud.

On Monday (Tuesday morning my time) we'll all know for sure.

I'm still convinced all of this music stuff will be the 'one more thing' this keynote, basically introducing a subscription model in iTunes and a music locker to work with iCloud... It's just a thought, but it would be a neat way of explaining the disparity between iCloud itself and the music rumors we keep hearing about.
 
If it's iTunes only content, this will be another failure from Apple.

iTunes only content on icloud = Ping 2

http://www.cultofmac.com/icloud-may...ed-music-thanks-to-apple-licensing-deal/98061

Why do you think they brought the big money? Also Google was pushing for this in their own negotiations but when their negotiations fell apart and they took up a storage model along with Amazon, this only made it easier for the Publishers to accept this feature for :apple:.

Also I doubt iCloud will be limited to music functionality, it's a MobileMe makeover!
 
Another way to look at this though is: why care if they upload pirated music? The act of piracy has already occurred. And now, with this new Apple deal, the labels are making streaming royalties on pirated tracks.

It has nothing to do with piracy. It's all about the original deals not including broadcasting the songs. To get that right Apple had to agree to a bulk pay and a cut of all signups. Apple may have been able to argue that if someone is only streaming iTunes purchases they should be covered by the 70% of the original buy.
 
The bigger question is: how many people own music purchased OUTSIDE of iTunes ... probably a lot, and those are the once that are getting screwed if the rumors turn out to be true

Well of course, it's obvious, or should be to everyone, that the MAJORITY of people in the world have music, the MAJORITY of which is not purchased via iTunes.

Despite what a few people who live in a neat and tidy IT bubble may think the real world does not revolve around Apple and iTunes.

It remains to be seen if Apple are aiming directly at this small IT Bubble of people who are into the whole iTunes thing, or are casting their net far and wide to offer something useful to the mass population out there.
 
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Wonder how many people don't own iTunes music

I don't. Not a single track. I have thousands of cds (and still buy them for $9 apiece when brand new at Amazon or similar) as well as own maybe 10 MP3 tracks from Amazon just because I came across them and they are unavailable on any kind of digital format.

I think there are more people out there (then Apple or Fanboys believe) that do NOT own a single iTunes-purchased-song...and then what about the % of people that own less than 30 iTunes tracks?
 
If it's iTunes only content, this will be another failure from Apple.

iTunes only content on icloud = Ping 2

Another failure from Apple like iPod, iPhone and iPad.

I don't buy content from iTunes cause its not lossless but to call something "another failure" from apple before it is released has failed many times before even for the best of them :eek:
 
I don't. Not a single track. I have thousands of cds (and still buy them for $9 apiece when brand new at Amazon or similar) as well as own maybe 10 MP3 tracks from Amazon just because I came across them and they are unavailable on any kind of digital format.

I think there are more people out there (then Apple or Fanboys believe) that do NOT own a single iTunes-purchased-song...and then what about the % of people that own less than 30 iTunes tracks?

I think we can all agree that a lot of our libraries are filled with music not purchased from iTunes. But, the fact is, that last February iTunes hit the 10 billion songs sold mark. So, obviously there are people out there that do have libraries filled with songs purchased from there as well.

Wouldn't you think that Apple knows this? Or do you think that Apple just assumes that every song every iPod and iPhone owner owns was purchased from iTunes? It seems like everyone is jumping to conclusions and then complaining about it.

Let's see what happens Monday and then make judgements.
 
I think we can all agree that a lot of our libraries are filled with music not purchased from iTunes. But, the fact is, that last February iTunes hit the 10 billion songs sold mark. So, obviously there are people out there that do have libraries filled with songs purchased from there as well.

Let the math be your guide.

10 Billion songs sold / approx. 150 million iTunes accounts = about 67 songs sold per account.

Of course, some iTunes accounts have never bought a song and some may exist where every song they own was purchased via iTunes. But in the average, you can see that unless someone considers their entire music collection "whole" in maybe a couple hundred songs, odds are high that many (maybe I could even say "most") libraries are probably dominated with music NOT purchased by iTunes.

After all, if you think about a CD as averaging about 10 songs, you can match the average of 67 songs by owning & ripping only 7 CDs. It's hard to imagine even the poor college students NOT ripping the home CD collection (maybe owned by parents or siblings) in at least that kind of volume. Forget friends, libraries, piracy, free song promotions (I think most of my own "purchased" music from iTunes came from 7/11 Slushee "free music" promotions), etc.
 
Definitely a thumbs down for me. 95% of my iTunes collection is ripped from my own CDs, I will not pay to listen to my own music, and I have no interest in streaming when I carry my entire library in my pocket.
 
Record labels are no better quality group of people than the ladies that occupy the red light districts throughout the world...

True enough. And, Apple is not any better either. We are moving from buying music from 4 greedy music distributors (not real competition) to one that streams and downloads. What happened tp the promise of competition for the music-buying money from music lovers that the Internet was suppose to bring about?
 
Definitely a thumbs down for me. 95% of my iTunes collection is ripped from my own CDs, I will not pay to listen to my own music, and I have no interest in streaming when I carry my entire library in my pocket.

Hopefully, Apple has thought about this and will not charge customers for streaming if they have already purchased the same music from iTunes. I am not sure what they can do about ripped CDs. Remember, the fees Apple is paying to the 4 music distributors is for Apple's license to publicly stream the music; the end-user who has iTune tracks already has a license to hear the music under copyright.
 
Also I doubt iCloud will be limited to music functionality, it's a MobileMe makeover!
I'm really curious about MobileMe. I want to be able to enjoy it instead just using it as I do now. Getting screwed at the current price / performance ratio is getting old. As so many other alternatives grow bigger and better at a fraction of the cost, many may tell Apple to shove it and be done with Apple Tax and their insatiable need to screw over the customer. New time capsules required, what a crock.
 
Hopefully, Apple has thought about this and will not charge customers for streaming if they have already purchased the same music from iTunes. I am not sure what they can do about ripped CDs. Remember, the fees Apple is paying to the 4 music distributors is for Apple's license to publicly stream the music; the end-user who has iTune tracks already has a license to hear the music under copyright.

Well now we know: you will be charged to listen to your own music that was not bought through the iTunes store. No thanks. Why should I agree to that if I have the music right here in my pocket?

I also expect there will be numerous glitches in "matching" the user's collection to theirs, if album cover art matching is any guide.
 
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