People like to throw out the credit card dispute like they can reverse charges on ANYTHING. I have been fighting to get a refund of my Dune Case because I ordered it in 2019, with a shipping date of January 2020 and I still have not received it. Credit Card dispute never goes through because "there is proof I have received the item I purchased". Please, don't blindly rely on credit card disputes. Its as it says, a dispute that could not end in your favor. I basically gave up after many attempts and am just out $250.
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Not entirely true, the physical stores housing a gift card section do receive a payment for allowing the gift cards to take up space in their store. So while it is not a percentage and I'm fairly sure it isn't 30% they are receiving compensation.
Why do grocery stores sell gift cards to other places?
All sides get something out of the deal.
It will if EPIC gets what it wants: to be able to sell subscriptions outside of IAP and let users know without hinderance from Apple. They will still want to be on the app store to reach Apple's user base, just not give Apple any money for that access. they will no doubt whine whine Apple introduces some other fees to make up for lost revenue.
They aren't. The app store not only gives them a much bigger cut at 70% than they got before app stores, they also reach a much broader potential customer base.
Maybe Apple should just charge slotting fees and per d/l. I'm sure fortnight would gladly pay say $3 every time their app is downloaded; plus say $100000 per month to be featured.
Just because you get $50 doesn't mean Apple gets $50. That gift card mall you see in the store is likely run by a broker who handles everything from making the cards to stocking the mall in the stores and takes a cut, gives the store a cut, and the rest to the gift card merchant. You just don't see the split, just like all you see in the app store, or almost any store for that matter, is the end price.
If companies want access to a customer base they will pay for it.
This analogy also has problems. You might have a lawn but you still need to pay property tax and things like that.
Did you.....not read my entire post? I said there is probably a cost for the PHYSICAL SPACE, but not per gift card.Not entirely true, the physical stores housing a gift card section do receive a payment for allowing the gift cards to take up space in their store. So while it is not a percentage and I'm fairly sure it isn't 30% they are receiving compensation.
Why do grocery stores sell gift cards to other places?
All sides get something out of the deal.www.marketplace.org
You and the other person......did you not read my entire post? There is most likely a cost for the physical storage of taking up space in the store. But the place does NOT take a cut on every single gift card sold. And yes, I have talked to managers before after someone tried to apply tax on a gift card, they explicitly stated there is NO markup per gift card. They didn't go into the storage space costs however, and like I said they for sure exists.
Instead of snark you could try a little civility! I read your entire post but this sentence:
was not really clear. I work in CPG and "physical storage space" it not how one describes the payment for shelf space or floor space rental/purchase in a retail store. If that was your intent then you are correct and my apologies.
Shelf space = physical
So yes, physical costs does indeed describe what you said.
physical storage space in the racks of gift cards
How does that not mean shelf space or floor space rental/purchase?
And you did not quote my entire post, so there was no way for me to know if you read it all. I think its clear that physical costs === physical cost (rack/aisle/floor space is ALL physical space taken up)
You are obviously more interested in being right than furthering the conversation so have a nice day.
Likewise, I have never had an AppStore purchase dispute with Apple not end in my favor. Every single one ended up crediting my account back whatever money I had spent.
Me too. I would say “no questions asked,” but one time they asked a simple question.
Dis you read mine or the link the other poster posted?
Uh, yes they do as does the middleman. You just don't see the cut, the retailer pays it and gets less than the full amount of the card. The store may also get paid for space.
Tax and markup are two separate things. Tax is collected at the time of use to purchase a product, if do, not when teh gift card is sold. There may be no markup in his mind because the payment comes after sale in the form of a cut of sales, not as a product that is purchased by the company and then marked up in store.
I agree BUT with that said there was a lot of apps that stood out because of their features, now the problem really is finding “quality” apps, there’s a bigger selection of course but I do find “sponsored” apps on top of most of their lists Harder for me to choose something, a lot of my older apps eventually did get updated or merged all together but thinking about this post I just remember a time where I wanted all my apps on my phone now it’s like a select “few”
The only reason I miss FileApp was because I could delete my own “cached” storage the grey data that takes up the space on said device, I couldn’t tell you how many times I still have problems with it, Apple’s official answer is to factory reset after an icloud backup but even there used to be a time where it was Impossible to get pictures from the iphone, actually it still is, I have to download my pictures from the icloud website Because physically connecting to my PC never works But before we could download it straight from the idevices.
My Biggest pet peeve is the fact that an iphone or current iPad’s raw power is enough to rival video game consoles but now we are getting symbian “flash” quality games, They are very far and few in between games that stand out but with said everything is going “online” we will see. I used to look forward to AppStore releases back in the day, now it’s like ”meh”
I think you are confusing sales tax with markup. Sales tax goes to the government and is added on at the time of sale. Where I live there is no sales tax on gift cards (nor should there be, as you are just buying a credit towards a future purchase that will be taxed at that time, so tax on the gift card would be a double dip for the government.) The markup on gift cards is built into the price, so the store charges you $20 for a $20 card, but they get a percentage of that already, as does the broker that supplies the stores with the cards. I cannot find the exact breakdown on the net, likely because they don’t want people to know, as it seems to cause complaints and lawsuits.
If the manufacturer of the blender was selling a subscription for ingredients to make healthy shakes those ingredients wouldn’t be coming from Target. 🤷♀️
I agree with most of what you're saying (I'm not familiar with the grey data thing, but that seems besides the point). Since the AppStore has matured, it's harder to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I think this is just a side effect of the tools being easily accessible and the global reach of the AppStore. I'm not sure how to pare that back without making access to the store more exclusive and raising barriers to entry.
Which are also true. They're defending their store in the court of public opinion by extolling the public benefits. That seems sensible.
Apple doesn’t get a cut of Kindle book sales if you read them on an iPad. They don’t even get a cut if you buy them on an iPad using Safari.
Similarly, I’m okay with using Safari to buy my Audible programs, as it beats not having an Audible app on iOS. Last time I checked, I couldn’t buy iTunes movies within the AppleTV app on my Amazon Fire Stick, only watch shows I already own, so the two companies seemed pretty consistent. I was happy they added the app at all.
Right. What I’m saying is Amazon should be able to sell them in-app and not have to give Apple a cut of that transaction. What is the difference between buying a Kindle book via Amazon’s website in the browser and doing in-app other than convenience? So Apple’s saying if you want to provide a better user experience for your customers you have to give us 30%? That’s BS.
M.G. Siegler takes Apple to the woodshed over this press release. He says Apple should allow other payment options in-app and then compete for that business.
Thank You, Apple! May We Have Another?
The latest App Store press release drips with disingenuousness
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Marco Arment has talked about ways Apple needs to improve in the payment processing department. I agree that Apple should allow multiple payment options in-app (and I think they will be forced to eventually) but the 30% (or 15%) isn’t just about payment processing. I don’t think Apple would have any issue competing on that business. But the reason Apple isn’t going to offer multiple in-app payment options unless they’re forced is because it‘s not about payment processing. It’s about owning the customer. It’s about believing you’re responsible for developers success and thus need a cut of that success. Heck Eddy Cue has said Uber wouldn’t exist if not for iOS and the App Store. I guarantee you if Apple execs thought they could get away with taking a cut of Uber and Lyft sales they would in a heartbeat. The only reason companies like Amazon, Netflix and Spotify don‘t have to share their success with Apple is because they’re too big, too popular and Apple needs them.
Right. What I’m saying is Amazon should be able to sell them in-app and not have to give Apple a cut of that transaction. What is the difference between buying a Kindle book via Amazon’s website in the browser and doing in-app other than convenience? So Apple’s saying if you want to provide a better user experience for your customers you have to give us 30%? That’s BS.
M.G. Siegler takes Apple to the woodshed over this press release. He says Apple should allow other payment options in-app and then compete for that business.
Thank You, Apple! May We Have Another?
The latest App Store press release drips with disingenuousness
Marco Arment has talked about ways Apple needs to improve in the payment processing department. I agree that Apple should allow multiple payment options in-app (and I think they will be forced to eventually) but the 30% (or 15%) isn’t just about payment processing. I don’t think Apple would have any issue competing on that business. But the reason Apple isn’t going to offer multiple in-app payment options unless they’re forced is because it‘s not about payment processing. It’s about owning the customer. It’s about believing you’re responsible for developers success and thus need a cut of that success. Heck Eddy Cue has said Uber wouldn’t exist if not for iOS and the App Store. I guarantee you if Apple execs thought they could get away with taking a cut of Uber and Lyft sales they would in a heartbeat. The only reason companies like Amazon, Netflix and Spotify don‘t have to share their success with Apple is because they’re too big, too popular and Apple needs them.
Uber wouldn’t exist if not for iPhone, for what it’s worth.
I thought the reason for that is that Netflix and Spotify have had success in getting consumers to subscribe directly via their website instead, so they don’t have to pay Apple their cut.
I am still paying for my Netflix subscription via iTunes, so Apple is still getting 15% of that every month presumably.
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Thanks. I wasn't aware there were even repercussions to be had for doing so. I am subscribed to a number of streaming services which don't let you subscribe directly within the app itself, namely curiosity stream and nebula, so I always assumed this was up to the individual businesses themselves.Apple Discussed 'Punitive Measures' Against Netflix for Dropping In-App Purchases
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Wait, are you saying the law firm is getting 30%? Where did they get this ridiculous number from? It shouldn’t be more than 15%. That law firm should allow alternate payment methods so I can benefit from their work and cut out their payment. /s