Apple Pencil 2 With AirPods-Like Pairing Expected to Launch Alongside iPad Pro With Face ID

[anson42]

You know, regardless of the argument whether a tablet is backwards or forwards or a toy or not, Apple will sell a ton of them. I'll probably get a new iPad this year and will use it in many ways as will millions of others. That's pretty much that.

(Obligatory comment: some pencils don't have erasers)

 

[Mac 128]

It doesn’t seem like there are a lot of cases where connecting to an external monitor (edit- via usbc) would be more useful than airplaying to an Apple TV (either connected to a tv or monitor)—unless Apple is also adding a way to interact with an extended desktop on the iPad in iOS.

(Edit- a cable is cheaper than an Apple TV, so maybe Apple wants people to be able to present from an iPad Pro in more situations—though going from wireless to wired to save customers money doesn’t sound like typical Apple.)

What I’m hoping for is the reverse—to be able to (natively) use the iPad as an external monitor, with pencil support.

Does AirPlay support full HDCP 4K HDR at 60Hz?

I think it is strange to hook up the iPad to a 4k monitor. But perhaps: display content on the monitor and use the iPad a s trackpad, drawingpad and as a keyboard.

I am probably a minority as I would rather have a larger display than a reduced footprint of the 12.9. Splitview on A4 papers with small font sizes required lots of zooming which takes time. No I cannot bring a 4k TV set with me on the plane for reviewing applications on the go .

See my question above. Also, I think the iPad can already be used as a controller for content displayed on a monitor for some apps.

Out of curiosity, why exactly would you ever need to see a full 4K rendering of an application on an iPad? The individual pixels would be too small for the eye to resolve, so how would a down-scaled video affect your review of the app in any way?

 

[lakerchick4life]

This has now been added to the 9To5Mac original story:

Apple A12X Processor
We can confirm that this new iPad will have a new A12X processor, an even faster version than the A12 processor found on this year’s iPhone models. This new processor will also include an even more powerful A12X GPU, according to sources. The processor’s part number is T8027 and its codename is Vortex, as seen in earlier reports.

 

[subjonas]

Does AirPlay support full HDCP 4K HDR at 60Hz?



See my question above. Also, I think the iPad can already be used as a controller for content displayed on a monitor for some apps.

Out of curiosity, why exactly would you ever need to see a full 4K rendering of an application on an iPad? The individual pixels would be too small for the eye to resolve, so how would a down-scaled video affect your review of the app in any way?

Not sure but from a quick search, it seems like airplay does not support 4k. But is the demand for casting 4k from ipad to an external display or tv high enough that Apple would switch out the lightning port and go for a wired solution? This rumor of usb-c ipad is quite puzzling.

 

[Mac 128]

Not sure but from a quick search, it seems like airplay does not support 4k. But is the demand for casting 4k from ipad to an external display or tv high enough that Apple would switch out the lightning port and go for a wired solution? This rumor of usb-c ipad is quite puzzling.

I think for Apple to position the iPadPro as truly professional device capable of replacing a Mac, it has to output 4K video. Plug it into a 4K display, and use an external keyboard, and the iPad as a controller and get true 4K output for video, graphics, photos, games, etc.

I would think 4K AirPlay would be the goal, but maybe the iPad simply doesn’t have the processing power to support that.

 

[subjonas]

I think for Apple to position the iPadPro as truly professional device capable of replacing a Mac, it has to output 4K video. Plug it into a 4K display, and use an external keyboard, and the iPad as a controller and get true 4K output for video, graphics, photos, games, etc.

I would think 4K AirPlay would be the goal, but maybe the iPad simply doesn’t have the processing power to support that.

Possibly.
As far as 4K airplay, I think the airplay protocol itself needs to be upgraded to handle 4K, otherwise Macs would be able to output that right now.

 

[Perene]

Wouldn't be better to create a new Apple Pencil that doesn't need bluetooth and pairing in the first place, like the S-Pen? I don't know if this would be a better idea, I heard the S-Pen is worse for drawings and better for taking notes. That would also imply a new kind of screen (to suit this idea), right?

 

[cmaier]

Wouldn't be better to create a new Apple Pencil that doesn't need bluetooth and pairing in the first place, like the S-Pen? I don't know if this would be a better idea, I heard the S-Pen is worse for drawings and better for taking notes. That would also imply a new kind of screen (to suit this idea), right?

Why would that be better? If it instantly and transparently pairs, like the Logitech crayon, then how is spen superior?

 

[Perene]

Why would that be better? If it instantly and transparently pairs, like the Logitech crayon, then how is spen superior?

The S-Pen does not need to be recharged. And it can write into your screen immediately after you press into it. For me the other benefit is not having to leave bluetooth turned on all the time, but that's a separate matter.

However...

I never used the S-Pen, yet from what I've seen so far it doesn't look more accurate than the Pencil. I sense there's a delay in it, no matter how small. (Besides other considerations like app support)

Samsung also changed the way their pen works, so it requires bluetooth in the Galaxy Note 9. That may also be an indication this old method isn't ideal. (?)

 

[cmaier]

The S-Pen does not need to be recharged. And it can write into your screen immediately after you press into it. For me the other benefit is not having to leave bluetooth turned on all the time, but that's a separate matter.

However...

I never used the S-Pen, yet from what I've seen so far it doesn't look more accurate than the Pencil. I sense there's a delay in it, no matter how small. (Besides other considerations like app support)

Samsung also changed the way their pen works, so it requires bluetooth in the Galaxy Note 9. That may also be an indication this old method isn't ideal. (?)

I see. The crayon is instant, too, but it does need power.

An unpowered stylus is never going to be as good as a powered device for anything like art, drawing, etc. You can’t do pressure sensing and angles very well without the pencil keeping track of things like angle, which requires power. The point of the pencil is to do that sort of thing, not just to be a finger replacement, like the spen.

 

[subjonas]

The S-Pen does not need to be recharged. And it can write into your screen immediately after you press into it. For me the other benefit is not having to leave bluetooth turned on all the time, but that's a separate matter.

However...

I never used the S-Pen, yet from what I've seen so far it doesn't look more accurate than the Pencil. I sense there's a delay in it, no matter how small. (Besides other considerations like app support)

Samsung also changed the way their pen works, so it requires bluetooth in the Galaxy Note 9. That may also be an indication this old method isn't ideal. (?)

I see. The crayon is instant, too, but it does need power.

An unpowered stylus is never going to be as good as a powered device for anything like art, drawing, etc. You can’t do pressure sensing and angles very well without the pencil keeping track of things like angle, which requires power. The point of the pencil is to do that sort of thing, not just to be a finger replacement, like the spen.

I believe the s-pen used wacom patented technology in order to have a battery-less pen. Wacom pens do support pressure and tilt very accurately though I’m not sure to what extent in the s-pen. It’s possible Samsung opted for Bluetooth and dropped the wacom tech due to their license running out.

 

[cmaier]

I believe the s-pen used wacom patented technology in order to have a battery-less pen. Wacom pens do support pressure and tilt very accurately though I’m not sure to what extent in the s-pen. It’s possible Samsung opted for Bluetooth and dropped the wacom tech due to their license running out.

Yeah I used a Wacom tablet instead of a mouse for many years. Definitely laggy compared to a pencil though.

 

[subjonas]

Yeah I used a Wacom tablet instead of a mouse for many years. Definitely laggy compared to a pencil though.

I’ve used a wacom pen every day for work for the past 10 years. The only time I’ve ever noticed lag was when using a slow computer or very large brushes. Otherwise it performs the same as my Apple Pencil. (Though I suspect Apple Pencil would lag with large enough brushes as well.)

 

[cmaier]

I’ve used a wacom pen every day for work for the past 10 years. The only time I’ve ever noticed lag was when using a slow computer or very large brushes. Otherwise it performs the same as my Apple Pencil.

Which tablet? Mine is kind of old, and I instantly noticed the pencil was much more instantaneous. I always did love the Wacom, though.

 

[subjonas]

Which tablet? Mine is kind of old, and I instantly noticed the pencil was much more instantaneous. I always did love the Wacom, though.

I use a Cintiq, but I can’t imagine the latency being much different. It’s possible the older tablets had more lag.