iPad Pro Apple Pencil is flawless (opinion)

Discussion in 'iPad Accessories' started by archimonde, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. archimonde macrumors newbie

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    In the tired specticle of the stylus scene, Apple Pencil (and the enabler, iPad Pro) is a gamechanger. Ever since my first dab at Wacom graphite, stylus has always been a 'professional' device, as in, it was never truly user friendly. Like having to learn touch typing, Wacom tablets required you to learn reletive hand position to the screen position because you were drawing flat while looking at the screen. Cintiq was always out of the option due to its prohibitive cost. Suface Pro 3 was an exciting contender and its stylus is certainly capable, but the software required me to constantly fiddle around with tiny icons and interfaces developed for mouse and keyboard usage.

    The announcement of Apple Pencil was dividing. Supporters cheered while many satirical jokes about Steve and his stance on stylus was thrown around. And, of course, the lack of eraser end fueled the misconception that Apple is always lagging behind in technology and use their fairy dust marketing to herd isheeps into buying superiorly packaged inferior products.

    And lets face it, Apple Pencil is no more a pencil as iPad is really a pad of paper. No, they should have instead called it iPad Pro and the Magical Wand because this thing truly feels like something from Harry Potter. The first time you get it, you plug it into the Lightening port and it pairs. Then nothing happens. There is no calibration screen window, no button menu setup, no display size setting, no drivers to update. You just use this thing and it works.

    Currently, the Notes app is handsdown the best calibrated. Photoshop Sketch and Procreate is about the same level as you would in Wacom tablets or Surface Pro 3, there is a slight but forgiving lag. But in Notes app, this thing is agile and sensitive. In other tablets, a slight force is required to start drawing, but Pencil draws at the slightest touch, rendering your handwriting as it should look on paper. No, the feel of the Pencil is definitely not same as pencil and paper as much as some reviews claim. It feels like you are drawing on a sheet of glass, but it feels great. It feels like you are gliding around like a figure skater. Too much fingerprints on the screen does sometimes create zones of friction, but when wiped, iPad Pro and Pencil is just rediculously smooth and swift.

    So, when I read about complaints of no eraser, no buttons, and "but (insert product) had stylus way before", well, none of those really depreciate what this product is and intended to do. This thing may well have been created by JK Rowling because while all other stylus feels like technology, Pencil feels like something made up. And while all this hyperbole may be too much for some people, I can happly say, at least now we have a stylus that is worthy of such praise.

    Apple Pencil is not perfect, but it is pretty much flawless in its execution; the only way it could be perfect would be to turn me instantly into an artist... that part, (un)fortunately, is not upto Apple.

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  2. MH01 Suspended

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    It's a very good first generation product. Impressed with the iPad and pencil.

    Wow player ?
     
  3. archimonde thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Nope, just a coincidence
     
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    Okay. Though that name only existed in blizzards universe.
     
  5. DaniJoy, Nov 19, 2015
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    Hey first post here. I'm loving my IPP getting a pencil tomorrow hopefully. I'm an artist I can't wait to put it through its paces. I have a cintiq companion 2 512 and a cintiq 27" and surface pro 4 to compare it to.

    I think IPP is going to be a good mobile solution for drawing. But I'm a little concerned about the line quality issues here is a movie;

    I'm optimistic this will be ironed out soon by Devs. But I'm not sure I would call it flawless.

    I'll be sure to post my impressions when mine shows up.
     
  6. ZombiePete macrumors 68020

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    If I remember correctly, that is an app-specific issue and not actually a problem with the iPP/Pencil. There are tons of videos of artists drawing in other apps and it *is* as close to flawless as you can get.
     
  7. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    Yes that's procreate, only app that comes close to competing with photoshop for paining
     
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    Flawless
    [flaw-lis]
    adjective

    having no discernible blemishes or shortcomings;perfect:
    flawless French; flawless beauty.


    In fairness - you did say "pretty much" which leaves the door open I suppose.
     
  10. iphone5att64 macrumors 6502

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    He specified flawless "in its execution".

    Notes doesn't have an eraser, but you can Cmd-Z to undo.

    There doesn't seem to be much difference between a Pencil and finger or stylus sometimes. The Notes app just makes it feel more precise by drawing thinner strokes when you use the Pencil.
     
  11. turbineseaplane, Nov 19, 2015
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    Yeah, I saw that, but I'm still confused what that really means in this context.

    Is that referring to how it performs at drawing as it relates to contact with the screen and latency, etc? I'm not sure the Pencil itself deserves more than half the credit as so much of that is the appropriate software implementation and the IPP's high refresh rate screen. A fact easily shown by the other iPads not being able to do the Pencil.

    And if it's the hardware and features of the Pencil (shape, size, tip, etc)....is that "execution"? And at best, the IPP deserves at least half the credit in terms of palm rejection, special screen and appropriately implemented software.

    Was more confused than anything by "It's not perfect, but flawlessly executed"?


    I still think the top end SKU for the IPP should have been the Artist Edition and included a Pencil & perhaps a special case or something else fun to differentiate.

    [​IMG]

    Just very nebulous as to how you can use "Execution" in this context and not be referring to the entire package of iPP + Pencil, right?
     
  12. iphone5att64 macrumors 6502

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    But I just noticed the title of the thread is just flawless.
     
  13. Dammit Cubs macrumors 68000

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    The Apple Pencil is their best first generation accessory in 5 years. And it's just starting to scratch the surface. Gen 5 will be redonk
     
  14. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040

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    A-ha! Yep. So there ya' go - I'm confused. haha
     
  15. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040

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    Do we know yet if there's only going to be the Apple Pencil?

    Are they using proprietary API's or anything that will preclude 3rd parties from tackling the concept with a level footing in terms of possible capabilities and performance?

    (Just imagine if there were no 3rd party lightning cables as one example - yikes)
     
  16. iphone5att64 macrumors 6502

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    You can use your finger as an eraser and the pencil for the select tool.
     
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    There are third party lightning cables?

    Well, ok, I bought a black one to go with the black interior of my rental cars, but other than that, no. I've got apple brand lightning cables all over the place (two at each desk I use for work, on by the side of my bed, an extra one in the living room, and two in each of the cars, and a pair I travel with). I generally prefer the 2m cables. Other than color for aesthetic reasons, I'm not sure why the 'yikes' if there were no 3rd party lightning cables. o_O
     
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    Gee I hope not! ;)
     
  19. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040

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    Loads - different colors, lengths, materials - not to mention other implementations of the lightning port such as portable battery packs with an integrated cable, docks, etc.

    It's FAR better to have a vibrant world of certified 3rd party things to chose from than not.
     
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  21. Floorless macrumors newbie

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    How are they doing that?
    I haven't had strokes go mental on me in procreate, unless on purpose like causing a quick stroke or something.
    Had a few moments where it seemed like it wasn't registering at all but usually something like having bumped a menu open
     
  22. Dammit Cubs macrumors 68000

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    Surface:p...not Ipad Pro
     
  23. archimonde thread starter macrumors newbie

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    ... To clarify... and without getting into semantic arguments,
    I meant flawless as flaw-less, as in, no (glaring) flaws.

    And what I mean by that is:
    Other stylus, you pick it up, and there is something about it that is 'flawed', something doesn't feel right. So, for Wacom, it was the disjointed 'tablet draw/screen see' that was interfering with the drawing experience. For Surface Pro 3, it was having to calibrate the pen with the display and tiny icons and apps that used keyboard shortcuts that made it difficult to be used on a couch.

    With Pencil, the experience is flawless, from the moment you open it from the box to the first time you use it, it feels like plugging in a mouse. The first time you use it, its only after a while you realize: 'oh right, this is the brand new Pencil', because the experience is so mundane, eventless, you are just busy sketching and drawing and not thinking about the fact that you are using Apple's first iteration of Pencil. (This includes things like, not being concerned about the latency, edge accuracy, nib/inking distance, paring, charging aaaa batteries etc)

    And, that experience of technology not feeling like a gadget but a familiar tool is what Apple was probably trying to achieve, and for me they nailed it, flawlessly. So much so, I wrote a review, which I never do...

    Are there nit picks of minor issues and rooms for improvements? Sure. But, things like extended battery life, magnet clip-on to iPad, eraser end, these are all 'desires' at this point, as lack thereof does not hinder your drawing experience.
     
  24. haruhiko macrumors 601

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    I tried the Pencil myself at the store last weekend, and then bought an iPad Pro and ordered the Pencil online, and delivery is expected to be... 16-22 Dec. Wow, just before Christmas! How genius!

    I've been asking in multiple Apple Stores for several days but none of them had any stock. The staff even refused to check the inventory. I guess maybe in fact there were some at the back of the store.

    So... For the Apple Pencil,

    The only flaw is that you can't buy it.
    Not even by begging.
    You need to have pure luck. :cool:
     
  25. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040

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    Agree - no need to go deep - I think I'd just stay away from using "flawless" probably - as the definition of "having no discernible blemishes or shortcomings; perfect:" isn't exactly what you're describing.

    That said - What would be your score for it?

    9/10?

    Have a major pro/con list sort of in the style of reviews?
     

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