iPad Pro Apple pencil more precise than Surface pen.

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  1. mikewired macrumors member

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    I spent some time tonight drawing and writing between the surface pen and iPad pro. The apple pencil is far more precise. One test was to write numbers 1 through 10 and then try and redraw the same numbers over the top. The surface pen couldn't do it but the apple pencil was right on the money. The paralax issue with the surface pen is terrible once it is leaned slightly in any direction.
     
  2. Bbqthis macrumors 6502a

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    That is my experience as well. Don't even get me started on the Cintiqs....
     
  3. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    yes i would agree- but only by a tiny margin. Software is more important to me. to bad for me the palm rejection is horrible on the ipad pro. im hoping the next model fixes this, its a good stylus otherwise- if you can live with the software limits.
     
  4. silverblack macrumors 68030

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    Opposite experience for me. Palm rejection is perfect on the iPP as I use GoodNotes for my inking needs. On the other hand palm rejection is terrible on Surface. I have to disable the touch screen driver in order to get the job done. But when I disable such driver, it becomes so cumbersome to interact with the OS.
     
  5. The CameraGuy macrumors newbie

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    I don't find a real issue with the palm rejection. It works pretty well in my view. Could be better, but for a first go, it's pretty good. I played with the surface pen, and it's also nice, but not as good as the Apple.

    If I could justify the cost, which is over $2,000, I'd own a top of the line Surface, just so I could use the Adobe Suite and work on my photos and videos on the road without changing my software preferences

    DBK
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  6. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    man u guys are lucky here is me and my ipad pro trying to just draw circles. you can see, the screen jumping all over the place, unwanted gestures, and the pencil stops working randomly. been trying to fix this for months no luck yet.

     
  7. Robnsn2015 macrumors regular

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    Which app are you using?
     
  8. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    procreate. but all apps have pretty poor palm rejection. ive been chatting with procreate, they are hopefully working on it. quite a few others reporting the same issue
     
  9. lchlch macrumors 6502a

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    Are you sure you have put in the nib for the pencil correctly?
     
  10. gr2020 macrumors member

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    I'm sure you already know this, but just in case - if you go to the iPad Settings app, and scroll down to Procreate, there is a setting in there to turn on/off palm rejection...you might try turning it on/off and see if it helps.
     
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    It's quite normal for quite a few iPad Pro models to exhibit poor palm rejection. At least that's what many at work are dealing with. I was aware of it before buying mine, but I just hoped mine would be an exception (it isn't). Out of the twenty or so at work, well over half do it. Maybe Apple will fix it.

    My Surface Pro 3 did it to a much lesser degree. Happily my Surface Pro 4 doesn’t have any problems.

    With some luck perhaps the next gen iPad Pro won't do it, then I'll just unload this one.
     
  12. The CameraGuy macrumors newbie

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    Has it occurred to you to do a reset on you iPP, and reinstall. It could make a difference.

    Hope this helps

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  13. Kal-037 macrumors 6502a

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    I have absolutely no palm rejection problems at all. I am actually surprised anyone is having the issue. I hope it gets fixed for you all soon though. *Come on Apple get to it!


    K.
     
  14. bensisko macrumors 65816

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    If I had those issues I'd take the iPad back and get it exchanged!
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    I know it's just me, but I can't stand the Adobe apps on my Surface Pro 3 - the screen is just too small.
     
  15. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    Thanks man, I did try all those settings. Still glitchy.

    Oh wow, I wonder what's the cause of this issue. I also hope it gets fixed someday, it's a nice light duty portable sketchbook. My cintiq companion 2 and cintiq 27 also have zero issues with palm.

    That's a good idea. I've had the issue since day 1, but maybe it's a software bug. I just have to figure out how to back up all my art first, then I'll try it. Thanks!

    I've been thinking about heading to the store for help. But it's a long drive to my closest Apple Store. If I can't get it fixed soon, I'll just have to take the long drive.

    It's not just you, Adobe apps are tough to use on a tablet. It took me a month to make a keyboard free setup on my cintiq, using the express keys and the virtual buttons. I only use it while on the go, the rest of the time I just use keyboard shortcuts in full screen mode. It's much faster than touch interfaces.
     
  16. aevan macrumors 68000

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    Not sure if some people are having hardware or software issues, but I have 0 issues with palm support in Procreate (and most other apps)

    If anyone finds this useful, here are my settings for Procreate palm support in the settings app:

    Palm Support level: Standard
    Apple Pencil Mode: Selected Tool
    Finger Mode: Smudge Only or Eraser Only (I switch depending on work I do, it basically turns my finger into a smudger or eraser)

    I also have the Maximum Speed Distance set to maximum, but I have no idea what this does.

    Hope this helps. Again, zero issues. I tried resting the palm lightly, heavily, moving it accross the screen, with the Pencil in my hand, without the Pencil, I deliberately tried to fool it and it works perfectly every time.
     
  17. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    thanks man, i tried all those settings. interestingly, finger mode makes the issues worse. fine is the least glitchy, but still acts up quite a bit. palm set to disabled is totally messed up. I think ill be making a long drive to try to get a replacement.

    I found another video done by a acquaintance i know from tablet pc review, who is also a professional artist and a teacher, showing more palm issues on multiple ipad's. This was recorded today at the apple store using procreate.

     
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    Thank You, Thank You and if I forgot to say it....Thank You.

    I downloaded this app this afternoon. It is amazing in it's abilities. I could write and draw and illustrate using the pencil, and no marks from my resting Palm, or side of my hand. With this app, you can take any document you are sent and sign it, fill it out by hand and sign it. One hour doodling and exploring, no fiddling, just as it come, I got no palm or hand prints.

    It's $10.99. Best money I spent on an App.
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    DaniJoy,

    Is this happening while the iPad is plugged into power? On my Air 2, it can act strangely if I am trying to use it while it is plugged in.

    Hope this helps
     
  20. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    no happens all the time. plugged in or not. im guessing i have a bad tablet or pencil. will go to store someday soon. i really want this good palm rejection everyone is talking about!
     
  21. aevan macrumors 68000

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    I find this all very strange. I don't understand why some people are having issues - this never happened to me. However, I also know that Procreate did some changes and updated the app several times before I got my Pencil. Perhaps the videos demonstrated here used an older version?

    Just to demonstrate I'm not biased or anything, here are my attempts to cause the screen to move with my palm, or to cause any other palm registering. During this whole time I am constantly pressing my palm against the screen (I don't know if it shows). Also, while I'm left handed, I also tried it with my right hand, just for kicks (didn't record that, though) and it is the same.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7671549/ipadpalm_01.m4v
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7671549/ipadpalm_02.m4v

    I set the finger to eraser, as you can see.

    Not sure if this helps anyone, but there it is.
     
  22. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    i dont think you are biased. its probably just a hardware failure for me. im going to return mine when i can get some time off work.
     
  23. aevan macrumors 68000

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    Yeah, you should check that. Because for me, the palm rejection is amazing. I notice you also have a Cintiq Companion 2. Me too - and the palm rejection there is often buggy - while it does work whenever the stylus is near, I have to move the stylus away to do a simple pinch to zoom gesture, and it often just gets stuck in 'disabled touch' mode when I do, so I have to touch the screen with the stylus again, move it away again, and then pinch to make it work. It really bothers me, so I stopped using gestures on the Cintiq completely and I rely on the keyboard shortcuts to pan and zoom.
     
  24. DaniJoy macrumors 6502

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    I hope a new Ipad or pencil fixes it, i really do like the ipad. its such a nice mobile solution for light duty drawing and painting. Do you ever have instances where the pencil lags or does not register stokes? or a big blob of paint randomly? i get these glitches occasionally also.

    interesting, my CC2 works perfect. funny how we all have different experiences on the same hardware. I also only use the keyboard at work, mostly because im way faster with it- and i get paid for my speed. My clients always expect so much. touch is more for on the go painting for me. Old habits die hard
     

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