Apple Picks Up 'Boys State' Political Documentary for Apple TV+

[Ar40]

haha. Love the platitudes. Any data to backup “There would be chaos”?

But who would build the roads if we weren’t forced at gunpoint to pay for them with no say as to how our money is spent?!

Also, there would be far less poor people if the government doesn’t exist. And wealthy people are welcome to all their wealth. It’s theirs and can choose to do with it as they wish.

Anarchy = chaos, by definition.

Less poor people if the government didn't exist - that's accurate. Because without government, the poor would die out, as there would be nobody to step in to protect them. Whereas the wealthy could stay in their bunkers and ride out the insanity.

 

[2010mini]

That's political by definition.

Wiktionary:


Also "social justice" is not "socialist". Different things.

That was a typo. And IMHO you are trying to fuse this social experiment with political leanings.

It is totally possible to have an experiment such as this without politics.

 

[miniyou64]

Anarchy = chaos, by definition.

Less poor people if the government didn't exist - that's accurate. Because without government, the poor would die out, as there would be nobody to step in to protect them. Whereas the wealthy could stay in their bunkers and ride out the insanity.

anarchy by definition means without rulers. Not chaos.

And if you think the government protects anyone, you’re deluded my friend.

 

[chucker23n1]

anarchy by definition means without rulers. Not chaos.

The thing about proponents of an anarcholibertarian state is… eventually you come to questions of “who organizes schools? Who invests in building streets? Who makes laws?”, and you just end up with a poorly defined ersatz government.

And if you think the government protects anyone, you’re deluded my friend.

Do you think CPS does more harm than good?

 

[miniyou64]

The thing about proponents of an anarcholibertarian state is… eventually you come to questions of “who organizes schools? Who invests in building streets? Who makes laws?”, and you just end up with a poorly defined ersatz government.

Do you think CPS does more harm than good?

Yes because no one could ever group together and build something private unless coerced at gunpoint.

CPS undoubtedly does more harm then good. Children are not property of the state, they belong to their parents.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Yes because no one could ever group together and build something private unless coerced at gunpoint.

CPS undoubtedly does more harm then good. Children are not property of the state, they belong to their parents.

imo, you’re making ridiculous statements.

1) Taxes for infrastructure and other common-good purposes are not raised at the point of a gun, at least in the US and many, many other places. Not sure how it works in your country.

2) Children are not the property of their parents to do with as they wish. Not all parents are able to care for their children, due to various reasons including addiction and mental illness. Children who are suffering abuse and/or neglect at the hands of those unable or unwilling to provide for basic needs (such as food, clothing, shelter and safety) need to be cared for by others.

Children have rights, and if parents are unable to provide for their children themselves, society at large has a responsibility to do so in their stead. Abandoning children to fend for themselves is not in anyone’s best interests, especially the child’s.

I invite you to volunteer with community or faith-based organizations that work with government agencies to help abused children receive the care and nurturing they deserve. I’m certain you will find it immensely rewarding, and will help you understand the role that those other than parents have in helping raise healthy children.

 

[miniyou64]

imo, you’re making ridiculous statements.

1) Taxes for infrastructure and other common-good purposes are not raised at the point of a gun, at least in the US and many, many other places. Not sure how it works in your country.

2) Children are not the property of their parents to do with as they wish. Not all parents are able to care for their children, due to various reasons including addiction and mental illness. Children who are suffering abuse and/or neglect at the hands of those unable or unwilling to provide for basic needs (such as food, clothing, shelter and safety) need to be cared for by others.

Children have rights, and if parents are unable to provide for their children themselves, society at large has a responsibility to do so in their stead. Abandoning children to fend for themselves is not in anyone’s best interests, especially the child’s.

I invite you to volunteer with community or faith-based organizations that work with government agencies to help abused children receive the care and nurturing they deserve. I’m certain you will find it immensely rewarding, and will help you understand the role that those other than parents have in helping raise healthy children.

yeah I get it. Youre a statist. I believe individuals can take care of themselves better then an organization predicated on violence. If you think taxes are not demanded at gun point in the US then you’re uniformed or willfully ignorant. And I do plenty with private charitable causes thank you, which are much better equipped to assist children then the government who only ever “helps” people at the expense of ruining other lives.

 

[chucker23n1]

Yes because no one could ever group together and build something private unless coerced at gunpoint.

A government. You’re describing a government.

CPS undoubtedly does more harm then good. Children are not property of the state, they belong to their parents.

They don’t “belong” to anyone; they’re human beings.

 

[miniyou64]

A government. You’re describing a government.



They don’t “belong” to anyone; they’re human beings.

no Im describing a private, voluntary organization. Government involves coercion. Always. Inherently.

the position that children are not property, is that of an antistatist so we me be closer on that than we think

 

[PickUrPoison]

yeah I get it. Youre a statist. I believe individuals can take care of themselves better then an organization predicated on violence. If you think taxes are not demanded at gun point in the US then you’re uniformed or willfully ignorant. And I do plenty with private charitable causes thank you, which are much better equipped to assist children then the government who only ever “helps” people at the expense of ruining other lives.

You don’t get anything about me.

1) Children can’t take care of themselves. Society has a moral obligation to see to their health and safety. They should not be abandoned and left to suffer whatever harm may befall them.

Is that “statist”?

2) Taxes are certainly not demanded at the point of a gun here, though that may be how it works in your country. You’d be surprised at the rate if voluntary compliance, as thinking people realize that it takes money to provide services that benefit them, as taxpayers.

3) You think government “only ever ‘helps’ people at the expense of ruining other lives”?

It seems like you have an extremely skewed version of reality. Real life has many shades of gray; rarely is anything black or white. Government bad, anarchy good and government = coerced at gunpoint are rather simplistic reductions.

 

[miniyou64]

You don’t get anything about me.

1) Children can’t take care of themselves. Society has a moral obligation to see to their health and safety. They should not be abandoned and left to suffer whatever harm may befall them.

Is that “statist”?

2) Taxes are certainly not demanded at the point of a gun here, though that may be how it works in your country. You’d be surprised at the rate if voluntary compliance, as thinking people realize that it takes money to provide services that benefit them, as taxpayers.

3) You think government “only ever ‘helps’ people at the expense of ruining other lives”?

It seems like you have an extremely skewed version of reality. Real life has many shades of gray; rarely is anything black or white. Government bad, anarchy good and government = coerced at gunpoint are rather simplistic reductions.

Im in the US. I know how it works. And I know what a statist is. I also reject moral relativism.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Im in the US. I know how it works. And I know what a statist is. I also reject moral relativism.

Your reply is non-responsive.

1) Society does or does not have a moral obligation to protect the health and safety of children?

2) Children should or should not be left to fend for themselves despite whatever harm they may be subjected to by parents?

3) Do you have any support for your claim that taxes are demanded at gunpoint?

4) Do you stand by your claim that government “only ever ‘helps’ people at the expense of ruining other lives”? It would seem quite easy to disprove.

As long as we’re rejecting things, I reject moral failure and intellectual snobbery and laziness. It seems like Apple’s support of Boy’s State could be useful for those citizens who would like to better understand both the good and the bad of government.

 

[miniyou64]

1) they do not
2) the state is not the protector. Bad things happen in life. The state is not the solution to them all
3) yes. You go to jail if you dont pay them
4) they steal in order to exist

 

[PickUrPoison]

1) they do not
2) the state is not the protector. Bad things happen in life. The state is not the solution to them all
3) yes. You go to jail if you dont pay them
4) they steal in order to exist

1) It’s quite sad you feel that way. Luckily for our children, almost no one agrees with you.

2) It’s quite sad you feel that way. Luckily for our children, almost no one agrees with you. And no one said the state is the solution to all problems, so your straw man argument is irrelevant.

3) No, you don’t. We don’t have debtors prisons. If you don’t pay, you will find your wages garnished, liens placed on your property and bank accounts attached. Your fellow citizens, who pay their taxes, don’t appreciate freeloaders.

Now if you file false tax returns, or commit other crimes in an effort to evade taxes, you may find yourself on the wrong end of a criminal action. Your fellow citizens, who pay their taxes, don’t take kindly to criminals.

4) Taxes are paid—though not without some grousing—by adults because they want the services taxes pay for. They understand money doesn’t drop from the sky.

I’m glad Apple is involved with this documentary, and I can’t wait to watch it. Maybe there will be some lessons we can take from it that can improve our government.

 

[miniyou64]

1) It’s quite sad you feel that way. Luckily for our children, almost no one agrees with you.

2) It’s quite sad you feel that way. Luckily for our children, almost no one agrees with you. And no one said the state is the solution to all problems, so your straw man argument is irrelevant.

3) No, you don’t. We don’t have debtors prisons. If you don’t pay, you will find your wages garnished, liens placed on your property and bank accounts attached. Your fellow citizens, who pay their taxes, don’t appreciate freeloaders.

Now if you file false tax returns, or commit other crimes in an effort to evade taxes, you may find yourself on the wrong end of a criminal action. Your fellow citizens, who pay their taxes, don’t take kindly to criminals.

4) Taxes are paid—though not without some grousing—by adults because they want the services taxes pay for. They understand money doesn’t drop from the sky.

I’m glad Apple is involved with this documentary, and I can’t wait to watch it. Maybe there will be some lessons we can take from it that can improve our government.

there’s no such thing as improving government unless it stays out of my life completely. I dont want their “protection” Or any other services they force me to pay for. Im sorry you dont understand the coercive force of the state. But I would like to opt out. I hope I have your permission

 

[PickUrPoison]

there’s no such thing as improving government unless it stays out of my life completely. I dont want their “protection” Or any other services they force me to pay for. Im sorry you dont understand the coercive force of the state. But I would like to opt out. I hope I have your permission

I have nothing to do with your benefiting from government and taxes, yet being unwilling to pay your fair share. Luckily for you, your fellow citizens are willing to cover your tab.

I find your viewpoint to be very selfish, but I’m sure you’ll go far, and I wish you well. You might want to watch Apple’s documentary Boys State; possibly seeing how 17 year olds approach government might enlighten your own understanding.

 

[chucker23n1]

there’s no such thing as improving government unless it stays out of my life completely. I dont want their “protection” Or any other services they force me to pay for. Im sorry you dont understand the coercive force of the state. But I would like to opt out. I hope I have your permission

Unless you live as a hermit in the woods, it's likely that you have benefitted plenty from the government.

 

[miniyou64]

Unless you live as a hermit in the woods, it's likely that you have benefitted plenty from the government.

I don’t want to benefit from government. Why is this a difficult concept? If I bake you a chocolate cake, and you don’t like chocolate or cake or don’t want it, and I say, but look! I made it for you, for free, to your benefit! Do you still have to be happy with it? You don’t want it. So it being to your benefit doesn’t matter to you.

 

[chucker23n1]

I don’t want to benefit from government. Why is this a difficult concept? If I bake you a chocolate cake, and you don’t like chocolate or cake or don’t want it, and I say, but look! I made it for you, for free, to your benefit! Do you still have to be happy with it? You don’t want it. So it being to your benefit doesn’t matter to you.

Then please move to an anarcholibertarian dystopia and leave civilized people alone.

Any five-year-old understands why school is good, streets are good, firefighters are good, child care is good, tons of stuff the government does is good. Why is this such a hard concept for some people to comprehend?