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While it would be interesting to plug-in a "Mac Pro" module into an iMac via Thunderbolt, I don't see how this would happen. Thunderbolt doesn't have enough bandwidth to add additional CPUs.

Mac Pros *have* to have >4 hyperthreaded cores. A single iMac i7 isn't going to cut it.

To run cpus as cpus rather than offline tasks allocated to a secondary machine, you have certain requirements in terms of their placement on a logic board and proximity to other components. The concept of an imac terminal goes against everything in computing in a very negative manner. The kool-aid picked up with thunderbolt. It was designed with the popularity of notebooks in mind to integrate components that would not fit in such a small chassis. As a design mantra, a modular system is asinine with the number of potential latent bugs it introduces. Storage can exceed the capacity of a single drive or even a few drives. That is why DAS has existed for so many years. That and it allows you to keep backups decoupled from the primary system. If you want a large display, that won't fit in a notebook. Increases in resolution solve some of this, but not all.

New Mac Pro is going to be a standalone thunderbolt device with integrated gpu's, memory etc, and is going to require another mac to function. You heard it here first guys

Others have presented that concept without the sarcasm. You really get a lot of projections on here.

- Dual Processors, perhaps offer non-Xeon server chips as a BTO option for those not needing the power but an expandable system.

They have a $300 (retail) cpu option within the Xeon E/EP chips. That compares to the cost of the i7 used in the top imac spec. Do you think they would seek out something even cheaper when it means having to add in another board design? It seems backwards to me.

perhaps this is the start of a new design philosophy. wouldn't be the first time that Apple broke with history cause they wanted to

I'm not sure that would be a successful venture. Other cpus over thunderbolt won't simply appear as cpus. You're basically setting up a network that can take on offline tasks. I don't see how the tie in people keep referencing to grand central dispatch would work here.
 
Not really,
At the end of the day an optical drive bay can be used as an extra HD slot for those who don't use it for an optical drive, so it's not really 'a waste of space' any more than an empty HD slot is.
What would be 'stupid' IMO is for Apple to not include an option for an optical drive when some of its users want it. Optical bays should at the very least be offered as a 'build to order' option on any new Mac Pro system IMO.
Agreed/
In some work environment USB thumb drives are verboten. Opticals or network are the only ways to get files around, and a DVD won't have perms issues or bog down your network.
I get why you lose an optical on a notebook. Every ounce counts.
On a desktop the only reason why you should lose some peripheral is if you gain a better peripheral. I had no problem losing the floppy for a CD.
 
The idea of stackable modules is intriguing to say the least. I'd love to see an elegant solution where you can heavily customize your Mac Pro's hardware depending on your needs. Many are worried about a cabling mess but I don't see Apple resorting to this... I'm thinking more a system of interlocking modules that utilize cleverly hidden Thunderbolt cables or latch mechanisms, so the system looks like a stack of cubes when setup, but would still be a solid "block" of a computer you could carry around as one. There would be the core module with the CPU(s) and RAM, then optional Thunderbolt-connected modules for optical drives, PCIe cards, hard drives, etc.

If Apple is smart about this, they could redesign what we think of a workstation.
 
no internal expandability and heavily reliant on thunderbolt?

...gee, where do I sign up? :rolleyes:

Their failure is about to be complete.
 
Pro users don't want something different. They want the same. But pro.

Put aside all my doubts about whether whis could be a success, there would be one single most reason why I actually would buy a MacPro even if it costs $1000 more:

If I would be allowed to install Snow Leopard on it.
 
I dream for a Dual Simultaneous System with split Ram and shared CPU and Video card.

That would make switching to Mac a no brainer for windows users or gamers.

Bootcamp and virtualization in terms for usability is not adequate for skeptical buyers.

take a look at xen client then ;)
 
They probably will design it to be salable in Europe today. Tomorrow though somebody in Europe will see it as competition and demand more restrictive laws to curb competition from non European companies. Like it or not you live in a part of the world where protectionism results in far less in the way of consumer choice.

Not disagreeing with your statement. Although I wonder where in the developed parts of the world protectionism isn't at work. Well, no PRSI intention here, so yeah, hope the EU clerks have no problem with MacPros in general. :rolleyes:

One wonders who had to be protected against the whoooping sales of the MacPro, though. :D
 
Is it really worth waiting for this to be announced, if I need a new laptop for school in September, at the latest? I really don't want to wait for any longer to get a decent laptop...
I'm thinking of getting the rMBP 13" after the WWDC refresh. Is this a good idea?
 
Not a Pro user, but im excited about this for all of you who are. Ive felt your pain, reading these forums. I hope its good.
 
THIS is what all the data centers are for

The new Mac Pro will just be a dumb terminal and you will pay for a configuration in the cloud and it will stream to your "Pro" box. Unlimited storage, memory, etc.

:eek::eek::eek:

That's what I'm afraid of. Something no one in their right mind would use. Of course it would be way overhyped, but any rational being can see what a bad idea this would be.
 
"Really different..." - doesn't bode well. "No internal expandability" does not go well with "you won't be disappointed". Sounds very un-pro.
 
Is it really worth waiting for this to be announced, if I need a new laptop for school in September, at the latest? I really don't want to wait for any longer to get a decent laptop...
I'm thinking of getting the rMBP 13" after the WWDC refresh. Is this a good idea?

This is a desktop tower not a laptop. :)
 
I'll throw my 2 cents of speculation in and then run off:

Apple is never going to make a headless iMac, so you can forget about seeing an i7 socket 1050 (haswell) part since they only have 20 PCIe lanes.

What you're going to see is Apple release an Mac Pro with a Ivy Bridge-EP/Haswell-EP Intel Xeon E5-1xxx,2xxx,4xxx part around September. Those will support 40 PCIe lanes, that's enough for 2 video cards on one CPU.

Now the fun part will be -how- those parts are connected. Think Netstor TurboBox NA255A, but using (presumably optical "16x 3.0", but I won't hold my breath) Thunderbolt cables.

Doing something like this would allow upgrading the base part more often. The operating system hard drive/SSD would be in the base unit.

The base part could come in a single CPU, or dual CPU part with double the ram capacity.

As much as I have some faith in Apple to do the right thing, I don't think we're going to get something modular that people will actually want -and- not run backwards to the days of ratnests and spaghetti cables.

We won't see "lego" style modules for the simple reason this can't be done. People will force things or connect things backwards, not to mention hot plugging things in, or removing components while they are running.

Where Apple could in theory improve upon the Mac Pro design itself would be to rotate the case 90 degrees, and make it so the parts can be pulled without removing the case, and have the drive bays face the user. Put the cables on the sides, so there's no more reach-around-fumbing-for-things. Then if you need it out of sight, you put it behind the monitor.
 
I've seen several blogs interpret this as "NEW MAC PROS AT WWDC THEY'RE GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT OMG." Whilst what it seems to suggest is that they are coming this year but likely not at WWDC.
 
Apple could always make a part announcement at WWDC and say that a new Mac Pro is coming out later this year. They could even show off a bit of it.
 
Multiple GPU support

I apologise now if this has appeared elsewhere in the previous 440+ posts (sorry not got time to read them all now), but perhaps support for multiple GPUs over Thunderbolt alluded to is achieved by the GPU being part of the Thunderbolt display itself.

Maybe they plan a range of display levels with different GPUs. This would also be an attractive proposition (and differentiate Apple displays from others) for Mac Mini and Macbook Air/Pro users to get better performance at the desk.

just a thought.
 
This better be good. My £ is waiting, begging to be spent on a new Mac Pro. I'd sure hate to have to decline them notes the opportunity... again.
 
Somewhat corroborating Baird's phone call, Lou Borella -- administrator of the 'We Want a New Macpro' Facebook group -- wrote on the page that he heard the new professional Mac would be "heavily reliant on Thunderbolt" with "no internal expandability", and would have support for dual-GPU's and no FireWire or optical drive.

Oh dear God no.
 
See it's statements like the one in the article that make me more worried, not less; what I love about the Mac Pro is that it's a solid aluminium workstation, with workstation internals, access and upgradeability.

Some people talk about making a smaller tower, but personally I'd rather see it stay the same size but find more ways to free up internal space so we can fit a full 8 hard-drives in there. They could manage this pretty easily if they went with slimmer optical drives (there's not much reason to use 5.25" ones over smaller sizes IMO). Slap liquid cooling in throughout to provide better cooling with less fans and you can make up even more space, especially if it's done as a feature of the machine as it'd be much easier for Apple to efficiently route the cooling pipes through their machine.

I dunno, I'm just really worried they're going to do something too drastic, and leave us with a tower that lacks much of what we want from these machines; it needs to have a load of high-end cores, a heap of fast memory slots, a pile of drives and room for four GPUs. That's what a Mac Pro is supposed to be all about; if laptop parts (other than slimmer drives) touch it then it's pretty much dead as a product.

Personally I wouldn't mind dropping ECC RAM in favour of something else though; ECC RAM is slower and way more expensive, and I can't help but feel that a good hardware memory controller with a good sized chunk of cache memory to function as a buffer should be able to solve the same problem in some other way without the huge cost. Not that expensive memory is such a big deal in the Mac Pro market, but it can really bloat the cost of the machine, and for Macs that aren't actually running 24/7 it doesn't seem an especially important thing to have.
 
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