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Greedy pricks. If you are going to charge the same as cable companies for delivering less content than don't bother. There is no point to cut the cable from one greedy Telco just to get hooked into a walled garden of a greedier tech company. By the time Apple is done nickle and diming you for all their monthly charges (Radio, iTunes Match, TV subscriptions, etc), then you are just going to end up paying Apple the same amount as any other Big Telco company, you've traded one devil for another.

There is one innovation Apple has to work towards above all else, value.
i think you are missing the boat here man.

This is a new way of delivering content. If they get enough competition in that field....the prices will come down. Not everyone needs 1,000 channels which is what cable companies always give you. Time Warner Cable is now moving toward digital adapters so even a basic kitchen tv can't get content without paying a monthly fee to them. So now you either get a cable box ($11.99 minimum/month) on every single TV like you do on Verizon Fios or pay $2.75/month starting for an adapter JUST to receive their content. From how they handle modem fees...you can bet the adapter costs will shoot up year after year. All my tv's already have an apple TV attached...i'd prefer to get my content that way.

Sometimes it's not just about being the cheapest either. Convenience is a huge factor. OF course not for everyone, but there is a huge market that would gladly drop their cable if something like this came out.

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Heard of Sling? $20, all devices

yeah but u can only steam to 1 device at a time....huge set back
 
Great, more channels I won't get. Why don't they just rename this thing AmericanTV instead of AppleTV as that's who it's clearly aimed at.
 
I just had a curious thought: what if our iPhones are the Internet gateway of the future? What if ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc., keep raising their data limits, increasing their speeds and moderating their costs? Then our mobile devices can become our ISPs through tethering.

The dream of AT&T, Verizon, etc accountants everywhere. Have they ever raised their data limits for the same pricing and/or "moderated their costs"? IMO, "increasing speeds" is much more about getting users to tier limits than anything else. While I can definitely imagine them wanting to be able to bite into wired broadband revenues, I have zero faith they want to do that while delivering a cheaper broadband pricing option. Aren't all but T-mobile in the CableTV business too?

and what, pay more? With the 35/40 dollar Apple service come with HBO or is that a 15/20 dollar cost of more? At this rate i will pay more for not having cable.

That's the plan. To drive unforced business model changes, the sellers need to see how they are going to make MORE money, not less in the new way. Pricing for the hypothetical al-a-carte + commercial-free "new model" will have to be such that the average consumer will pay more than they pay now. Else, why change?

In my mind, Comcast will be the one that loses since consumers will simply say "meh, I'll go without" and their programming will lose viewers. Won't take long for them to change their tune.

Does Comcast provide your broadband connection? If you were Comcast and the masses "meh'ed" by trying to replace a source of your revenue with a "new model" that depends on the broadband pipes you provide, would you just roll over and let an Apple or similar take those revenues? Or would you make up for those losses with higher broadband rates for "heavier bandwidth users"?

And if you do have Comcast broadband, odds are high that either you have no competitor or, if you do, they are also in the cable TV business and would also feel the pains of some "new model" and probably act to make up for their revenue losses by also raising their broadband rates.


Sling is only 20 dollars a month.

And thoroughly different from cableTV as people know it. For example, how many TVs in your home can play different programming from that same source at the same time? Sling looks like an interesting option for singles, living alone and mostly wanting to watch on small-screen tablets & phones.

This is a step in the right direction but they need to figure out a better pricing model. With all of these separate subscriptions the bill adds up real fast. Currently I'm paying $8/mo for Netflix and $8/mo for Hulu. Add $15/mo for HBO Now, $40/mo for this new service, and I'm at $71/mo. Suddenly it isn't much cheaper than cable and I'm getting less channels.

That's exactly how it's supposed to be. Nobody else in the chain- including Apple- has a goal of significantly cutting our costs while still delivering "everything we want to watch". This change to some "new model" will be driven by the sellers making MORE money, not less. They can't make more if the source of the money pays a whole lot less each month AND the big subsidy paid for by other people buying commercials (most of which we never see because they run on 1XX channels "I never watch") is also eliminated.

Might as well gripe about Apple hardware pricing and whine for 75%-95% discounts there. The chances of that happening are about as good.

The beginning of the death of cable Tv as we know it. Great news!

The beginning of hard data caps and much more expensive broadband rates than we know them. Not-so-great news!

Heard of Sling? $20, all devices

Limited to one screen at a time. Some limitations of what can be pushed to screens bigger than hand-held devices. Not a duplicate experience of cableTV as we know it. May work for some people willing to endure the compromises but seems to be best suited for singles, living alone who can tolerate the compromises vs. how tv watching can be... especially for families or roommates with multiple TVs or screens in the same household.
 
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$40 for 25 channels? No thanks. I pay $70 for 225. No ESPN 2, ESPN News or NFL Network, no deal.

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Presumably cost; you can also do other things with your AppleTV that you can't do with your DirecTV box

Let me know when Apple TV gets Sunday Ticket and NBA League Pass. Thats far more valuable to me then anything Apple Tv offers. I love my ATV but there is no way in hell Id give up 225 channels plus the sports packages for 25 mainstream channels.
 
so wait, $30-$40 a month for what I can get right now, for free, over the air, in HD, with an antenna? This does not sound appealing to me

in no universe can you get ESPN for free, over the air. nor other network cable channels (as opposed to broadcast channels like ABC). try again.
 
$40 for 25 channels? No thanks. I pay $70 for 225. No ESPN 2, ESPN News or NFL Network, no deal.

Exactly.

Those who want to approximate the al-a-carte dream without killing the golden goose subsidy of other people paying for commercials to run on lots of channels "I never watch" can do so by programming their "favorites" list in the on-screen guide to only show those channels they want to watch. Hide the rest and your experience would be very close to the dream EXCEPT that those other channels would still exist and commercials running on them would still run (and help pay for the programming on the channels you do want).

That's how to get much of the al-a-carte dream right now. Of course, that doesn't get our X (number) of favorite channels for 75%-95% cheaper than we pay now but that just won't happen AND
-leave broadband rates unchanged AND
-maintain the same breadth and depth of programming that we DO want to watch AND
-motivate the same level of gambling in the creation of new shows that would probably make our "must watch" list in the future,
etc.

I love the concept of the dream of commercial-free, al-a-carte at 75%-95% less than I pay now as much as anyone... but it's just a dream. Might as well dream of new rMBP models for $100 and new iPads for $50. New BMW for $2,000 anyone? New McMansions for $30K anyone? Dreams are lovely. But getting the sellers to share the dream- and fulfill it- becomes the problem of realizing it. Why do THEY want to turn this dream into reality?
 
Or pay 8 dollars a month for Hulu plus and get the same content.

LOL, did I ever endorse the service? :eek:

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Sling is only 20 dollars a month.

Best of Live TV Package

The best of live TV and sports, plus new movies, breaking news, and more. With ESPN, TNT, TBS, AMC, Adult Swim, Disney Channel, Food Network, HGTV, Cartoon Network, and others. Featuring SportsCenter, NBA on TNT, Chopped, Property Brothers, Adventure Time, and so much more!

Correct. I don't recall ever endorsing the service? As for the "Property Brothers", "Love it or List it" kicks both their designer butts. Hilary can create something from nothing. Drew could never complete what she does on the same budget.;)
 
I'm willing to suffer to make a point and force the cable companies hand. Of course I'm also hoping the law will stop caps and throttling so.

I'm pretty happy with the setup I have at the moment:

Tivo OTA Roamio
Add on services I was getting with cable anyways Netflix and Amazon Prime
Add on Hulu when the cord was cut
Add on SlingTV which I'm not 100% sold on yet but am giving them a couple months to get their feet
Add on WWE and MLB network during the summer for live sports (or pseudosport). I do have to pay 5 bucks a month to get a DNS that allows me to get around local blackout rules but I'm willing to do that.

Even with this I'm saving money and am getting more content than we can consume in a month plus 2 PBS sister channels U-Verse didn't provide and several stations that play classic shows 24/7.

The thing I like about Tivo is the OnePass consolidates all the streaming and DVR'ed media and allows me to jump from app to app to watch the next episode if need be. It's not perfect and doesn't offer SlingTV or WWE but it's very close to perfect. If Apple could create a seamless way to enjoy all these services they would own this space. Unfortunately, they won't because it would cannibalize the iTunes store.
 
Netflix were also rumoured to offer a 4K stream. not sure what is happening with that though.

4K is nice - would be nice for Apple to offer it also. but is a problem for customers who face small bandwidth allocations per month. Not practical for quite a lot of users at the moment.

Supposedly Netflix's original show "Marco Polo" was in 4K.... I don't have a 4K tv so I was unable to see the difference.
 
$40 for 25 channels? No thanks. I pay $70 for 225. No ESPN 2, ESPN News or NFL Network, no deal.

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Let me know when Apple TV gets Sunday Ticket and NBA League Pass. Thats far more valuable to me then anything Apple Tv offers. I love my ATV but there is no way in hell Id give up 225 channels plus the sports packages for 25 mainstream channels.

225 channels, much of which is repeats and pure crap in every sense of the word. As usual, it's the same 15-20 channels that really count and that's all anyone watches except for a few people. Sling TV has this figured out, it seems.

And, amazingly, some people couldn't care less about the NFL and it's obnoxious, overproduced, watered down product these days. There are plenty of games on network TV and so is most of the playoffs.

The NBA is like the NHL and the regular season is pointless. The playoffs are what are worth watching and most of it can be had on regular TV. If not, go out and have a beer with the boys at your local pub. Nothing wrong woth that.

I love too how the cable at satellite sheep simply forget about the ticky tack fees and costs that they refuse to mention in their monthly calculations. Box rentals, remote rentals, HD charges, local TV charges, premium tier charges, FCC fees, taxes, yearly price increases for no reason, etc, etc. I know for a FACT that even with Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon prime along with with my trusty roof antenna that we have TONS of stuff to watch and our monthly cash outlay for all of it is WAY lower than any cable or satellite package. Not even close.
 
225 channels, much of which is repeats and pure crap in every sense of the word. As usual, it's the same 15-20 channels that really count and that's all anyone watches except for a few people. Sling TV has this figured out, it seems.

And, amazingly, some people couldn't care less about the NFL and it's obnoxious, overproduced, watered down product these days. There are plenty of games on network TV and so is most of the playoffs.

The NBA is like the NHL and the regular season is pointless. The playoffs are what are worth watching and most of it can be had on regular TV. If not, go out and have a beer with the boys at your local pub. Nothing wrong woth that.

I love too how the cable at satellite sheep simply forget about the ticky tack fees and costs that they refuse to mention in their monthly calculations. Box rentals, remote rentals, HD charges, local TV charges, premium tier charges, FCC fees, taxes, yearly price increases for no reason, etc, etc. I know for a FACT that even with Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon prime along with with my trusty roof antenna that we have TONS of stuff to watch and our monthly cash outlay for all of it is WAY lower than any cable or satellite package. Not even close.

You post that list of 225 channels in some kind of poll- even here- where the pollsters pick their 15-20 favorite channels and I bet the variety would be far beyond anyone's definition of "the same 15-20 channels that really count and that's all anyone watches". Take that poll out beyond this niche crowd (take it out to the masses) and the variety would likely be even greater. Personally, I detest stuff like reality programming or fishing channels, but some of that is hugely popular to other people. And I like NBA while people like you apparently hate it.

Up to all 225 channels are not on cable because absolutely no one ever watches them. Most of them are there to run commercials between their programming. Why? There's lots of revenue in commercials. But key to making money on commercials is eyeballs to see the commercials. If no one is really watching 205 channels out of your 225, those selling the commercials would run out of fools willing to pay for TV advertising. No revenue, no channel. If there are commercials running on the channel you would rank absolutely the worst of the 225, there are enough eyeballs watching that channel to woo advertisers to pay enough in advertising to justify the costs of airing that channel.

Similarly, marginalizing sports offerings because YOU don't like them doesn't mean everyone doesn't. It's likely that live sports is one of the biggest reasons the masses haven't embraced the "cord cutting" thrust even by 2015.

I also find it surprising that any of us are imagining a scenario in which Apple steps in as middleman replacement for a Comcast and we expect Apple to charge a lot less than Comcast was charging as middleman. Apple! Think about it.
 
I just recently got rid of our Time Warner Cable service (keeping only the highest broadband internet). Signed up for SlingTv at $20 a month and have so far been happy with it.

If Apple offers a package that looks like this...

ABC
CBS
FX
ESPN
ESPN 2
Disney
Disney Junior

+ maybe any of the following TBS, TNT, HGTV, Food, ABC Family

For $30 bucks a month?... where do I sign up???

:apple:

Until I can record shows, I'm not doing it. Apple should use their cloud and allow us to record shows on it.
 
A lot of "4K" screens have HORRIBLE quality. Resolution doesn't change the fact that many of these are terrible panels and even a low end 720P plasma (if anyone still makes them) will crush them in every meaningful ways. Actually, there is no real LCD/LED which has plasma quality so we are stuck with horrible quality until OLED prices go down and the longevity of those panels increase (especially for the blue color). Seemingly takes longer than it did for LCDs prices to go down.

The reason they stopped doing plasma is not quality, but production costs for manufacturers (their profit margins were too low). Anyone who has seen a top end plasma next to a top end LCD will pick the plasma EVERY TIME.
I still have a plasma TV as my main TV and it's hard to find a refresh rate that tops its 600Hz. It's 720p, but 42" so it about balances out. Although the reflection is like that of an old CRT. I've had to have special light blocking curtains for the life of the TV to keep as much light out of the room as possible. Pretty sure my friends and girlfriends over the years thought I was a goth XD.
 
So for twice the price... this option uses my Internet bandwidth? #

I guess I've negotiated Bell Canada much better than I ever thought. Especially with the new "Replay" option since last week, it's almost TV on demand on every channel.
 
Same Old Bundle BS - You Pay For What You Don't Watch

How is this rumored streaming Apple service (or others like Sling TV) any different from any other cable company or business models of content providers of the past? "But, but, it's a smaller bundle, so it's cheaper!"

So what?! I ask again, how is this model any different than the past? I thought we were on the eve of an industry revolution, not evolution or a re-hashing of the same thing that consumers clearly DON'T want. Smaller bundles is just more of the same, with more limited networks/content providers.

It's the same 'bundle' model cable companies have had for years that they're holding onto with their cold, dead, out of touch, greedy fingers.
I want ala carte channel subscriptions of live/streaming TV, dammit! Let the free market decide which channels are worth paying for! Stop forcing us to pay for channels that nobody wants to watch! It's madness! All TV customers have been begging... literally BEGGING for this for YEARS.

I will only call it a revolution when I get what I want:
1) I want to pay only for what I actually watch
2) I want to be able to watch whatever I want (meaning I can choose from a wide plethora of content providers), not limited to a select few networks
3) I want to watch whenever I want - I want to be able stream it live or stream it later after it airs. I don't want to have to organize my schedule around what show airs at whatever time. That's just stupid. I also don't want to have to remember to record it on my DVR or worry about running out of hard drive space. That's also stupid. Streaming is the way of the future, baby!
4) I want to be able to watch it on any device

In summary, all networks need to be streamable at any time from any device and no more bundling BS.

Now that would be a game-changer. We'd no longer be stuck in 1970.
 
Shouldn't be any reason for this - these "channels" would be similar to the apps on your device. Similar to the HBONow channel. You can pick from a listing of episodes to stream.

If that's the case, then yes you are correct. If it's live streaming, then a DVR would be needed.

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They already have that, its called iTunes.

If it's live stream, then it's not the same. If the new service will allow you to pick and watch any program on those stations at any time and in real time, than the iTunes model is fine.
 
You seem to think I actually haven't seen top end sets side by side in my own homes. I have.

As for glare, it is only an issue if you can't control lighting or there are many windows in the room, otherwise, non issue. I've had a dozen family members buy plasma on my own recommendation before they disappeared and they're all very happy they did.

Current LCD or whatever price are not even close to top end plasmas. Very very sad.

You seem to think it's not subjective. Sorry but I've seen top end plasma and LCD side by side. There is no clear winner and I'm not alone in my opinion.
 
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