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Which completely misses the point.

If you were to ask me where I live or work, or who my friends are, or where I like to hang out, or what I do with my free time, my answer would likely be, "None of your business." Why would I willing give information to a corporation (to commoditize) that I wouldn't give to a complete stranger?

Tehe. You wrote this as if you don't give out this information every single day. Both Google and Apple monetize your anonymous data. Fact. Both Google and Apple share data with 3rd parties that you would probably consider personal. Fact.

Google doesn't sell your data, they sell ad space. Just like Apple. Fact.

OT: Apple Maps improving is a good thing. Not only for it's users, but for users of other mapping software as well. Improvements in any of them bring us closer to parity. To stand out the vendors have to introduce new features and benefits. Wash, rinse, repeat. I don't use Apple Maps but any improvement means Google can't rest on it's laurels. Better for me.
 
I've given Apple maps many shots over the years, and it always fails me. I can't see trusting them enough to leave google maps at this point.
 
If I was concerned about privacy I wouldn't be using the internet. :cool:

Or living on Earth in general.

People worry about privacy, yet use credit cards, have utilities, etc. that all know where you live, your spending and consumption, etc. Why do people think Google and the like were the first to use and collect your data?

The only way to be free is to have your parents give birth in the middle of no where by some shady dude that you kill right after to hide the evidence of birth.
 
Really looking forward to these improvements. While I still prefer the overall experience of Google Maps, I'd rather rely on an app that is more tightly integrated into the overall iOS experience.
 
I like this rumor :) Looking forward to improved maps functionality. I don't think people at Apple (and Google) ignore that the maps are one of the smartphone killer apps and also a good key to advertisement and placement revenues. This is good competition between Apple, Google, Nokia and other players for the location market.
 
I think Apple have a long way to go to catch up with Google Maps. Transit routing would be good, but having accurate live traffic information, alternate route selection recalculated periodically as you travel to avoid developing congestion, etc.

Google Maps already has these features and is far more accurate than than Apple Maps. Where i live just north of Birmingham UK close to the busiest stretch of Motorway/Freeway in Europe, these features are invaluable. They can cut up to 30 minutes off a normal commute journey, so I find myself using Google Maps on a regular basis. Unless Apple can achieve this level of usefulness it is going to find it impossible to win users back to their own Maps app.
 
What is the single biggest flaw/issue with Apple Maps?

Now, how does this address it?

Same with the Maps-related rumor the other day. That was about various acquisitions to help with flyover and street view features, which, much like these are very nice features (I'd certainly like to have myself) but still not addressing the single biggest flaw/issue.

I'd sure like to see a Maps-related rumor that shows Apple seriously attacking THE #1 issue. All this other stuff is great- and will look good in a marketing presentation- but, IMO anyway, is redirection away from the key issue.

Sometimes I wonder if the new iOS features show is more important to Apple than getting the guts right. For example, last year's WWDC spent about 20 minutes gushing about OS X transparency like it was some huge thing. In much OS X software, transparency is a setting change from 100% to something like 80%. Yet, if you go back and watch again, you'd think they almost had to re-engineer OS X to make windows and other elements modestly transparent... and I still don't feel like it improves the OS X experience or utility by even a fraction of 1% (which is my own opinion, and I recognize that others may get huge benefits from slightly transparent OS X windows). Is this kind of thing more of that... only this actually has tangible benefits even if the main issue with Maps lacks any new rumored focus?
 
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For most users these upgrades make little difference. When an app initially launches with such spectacular failure, it gets written off for good. The users of this site may give it a second chance, but that doesn't represent the outcome for the vast majority.

No matter what Apple does, they'll always be playing catch-up to Google. It's time they cut their losses and focused their already thin resources elsewhere.

I am certain you can back up these claims with actual facts. Right? Especially the claim of the "vast majority'
 
For most users these upgrades make little difference. When an app initially launches with such spectacular failure, it gets written off for good. The users of this site may give it a second chance, but that doesn't represent the outcome for the vast majority.

No matter what Apple does, they'll always be playing catch-up to Google. It's time they cut their losses and focused their already thin resources elsewhere.

I think you overestimate most users' ability to find and use an alternative. Maybe you and your friends and the people on this forum can, but the vast majority of the millions of people who use iDevices cannot.
 
I am certain you can back up these claims with actual facts. Right? Especially the claim of the "vast majority'
Don't be ridiculous, of course I can! I've got seven friends who have iPhones and six use Google Maps instead of Apple Maps. So there. Debate over. Nothing you say could possibly refute such overwhelming evidence. Just give up now. Take your flag and go home.

End of thread. :D

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I think you overestimate most users' ability to find and use an alternative. Maybe you and your friends and the people on this forum can, but the vast majority of the millions of people who use iDevices cannot.
Umm no. Try again.
 
I really think they need to fix the maps they have first. I submitted several corrections 2-3 years ago that STILL have not been corrected. Their routing is regularly not the most efficient way to drive/walk.
 
Don't be ridiculous, of course I can! I've got seven friends who have iPhones and six use Google Maps instead of Apple Maps. So there. Debate over. Nothing you say could possibly refute such overwhelming evidence. Just give up now. Take your flag and go home.

End of thread. :D.

No doubt, it's a debacle. The defenders on this thread would have you believe that relying on an uneducated consumer base that is too dumb or lazy to know how to change to a better option is a good survival tactic in the long run. Just don't ask them what they think about users of Internet explorer. I was a defender of Apple maps at the beginning, assuming that it would quickly gain features and functionality as users poured their own data into it. That didn't happen. Now, I don't even think about going into Apple maps when I need a map, even though I have stubbornly left it on my homepage. When I need transit directions or when I travel, 100% of the time I go straight to Google maps. As does everyone I know Who is educated enough to make the choice for themselves. Let the defenders rely on the fact that most users are too stupid to change. It doesn't make apples maps anymore functional.
 
I've given Apple maps many shots over the years, and it always fails me. I can't see trusting them enough to leave google maps at this point.

Same here (Apple Maps got me lost twice the first year it came out). Apple may continue to add features and improve the underlying data (which Google also continues to do), but I'm pretty much operating under the assumption that Google will always be ahead in both areas now, unless someone does a comprehensive study that proves otherwise.

For example, Google Maps added lane guidance some time last year which I find incredibly useful and I don't see in Apple Maps. I'm sure by the time Apple adds the feature, Google will have expanded its feature set again. Simply trying to keep pace isn't going to be enough.

And the privacy issues are pretty laughable. If you're that paranoid, you can use Google Maps without being signed into your Google account so it doesn't personally know who you are (though I do because it provides useful features). As for the other anonymous data it collects, I want Google to collect that data because it improves the product. How else do you think traffic maps are generated?
 
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Same here (Apple Maps got me lost twice the first year it came out). Apple may continue to add features and improve the underlying data (which Google also continues to do), but I'm pretty much operating under the assumption that Google will always be ahead in both areas now, unless someone does a comprehensive study that proves otherwise.

For example, Google Maps added lane guidance some time last year which I find incredibly useful and I don't see in Apple Maps. I'm sure by the time Apple adds the feature, Google will have expanded its feature set again. Simply trying to keep pace isn't going to be enough.

And the privacy issues are pretty laughable. If you're that paranoid, you can use Google Maps without being signed into your Google account so it doesn't personally know who you are (though I do because it provides useful features). As for the other anonymous data it collects, I want Google to collect that data because it improves the product. How else do you think traffic maps are generated?

interesting. I was a long time user of Google Maps and now use Apple Maps every day. For me and where I live, it is quite acurate. This by no means any proof, just my personal experience. i live in a major metropilitian area so that might just be the biggest factor why it doesnt get me lost. Apple maps has a lot of room for improvement. That is no secret, but it is not as bad as whn it first came out.
 
Fingers crossed for Siri integration. “When is the next bus/train?” would be lovely a question to have it answer.

Yeah, there's so much potential for this feature. I just imagine the rollout to multiple cities will be really slow.
 
The vast majority of people aren't tech forum-goers. They kept on using Apple Maps and are barely aware of each tempest in a teapot. Yes, there's some awareness of the various "blog scandals," but not like we'd expect here in our echo chamber.

One doesn't need to visit tech forums to recognize glaring omissions in products they use. In NYC for example, most people take the subway. Yet, most subway stations are entirely missing from Apple Maps. That's not a "blog scandal," as you call it, that's a product that fails miserably for those who require that particular feature.
 
To be fair, she just directly quoted from the job posting, which was posted for the public at one time. Just like the article mentions... :rolleyes:

actually, the article doesnt state that. it says the hiring is reflected by one employee's LinkedIn. that doesnt mean her resume item a a "quoted" from the apple posting.

i suspect the actual apple posting didnt have her grammar typos.
 
This is a much welcomed addition! I don't drive, I rely on public transit systems, so it would be so nice to be able to view this type of information on Apple Maps. Go Apple!
 
No matter what Apple does, they'll always be playing catch-up to Google. It's time they cut their losses and focused their already thin resources elsewhere.

already thin resources?? Apple?? LOL some weed you're smokin :rolleyes:
 
Even if Google did demand such outlandish things, the inability to cut a deal that favors both company's interests reflects very poorly on Apple.


Yes, and Apple's dismal financial results, hitting new lows quarter after quarter, are the consequences of that awful decision. Right?

Please, send a message to Apple informing them of the consequences before it's too late. Stat!
 
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