Apple Plans Revamped India Strategy With Official Stores, Year-Long iPhone Deals, and Improved Apps

[singhs.apps]

Why do you keep making up this 40% number?

Launch price for iPhone X = 1.02 lakhs. Dollar exchange rate around that period = 1usd : 64.5 ( or some such ). Can fluctuate between 35%-40% difference ( assuming iPhone X costs 1000 USD.

Also why are you so hell bent , sitting over there and gleaning articles, on trying to say that Indians can’t afford the iPhone X versus Indians sitting here saying they can ( some like me even own it ) but Cost isnt necessarily the only driving factor.

 

[Anandc]

Launch price for iPhone X = 1.02 lakhs. Dollar exchange rate around that period = 1usd : 64.5 ( or some such ). Can fluctuate between 35%-40% difference ( assuming iPhone X costs 1000 USD.

Also why are you so hell bent , sitting over there and gleaning articles, on trying to say that Indians can’t afford the iPhone X versus Indians sitting here saying they can ( some like me even own it ) but Cost isnt necessarily the only driving factor.

Exactly every Market is different.

Chinese brand presence was nothing before 3-4 years back like what it is right now. Back then Apple never gave a damn about India and even today. So many flagship stores in China, UK, USA but none in India. Why will people buy Apple when they are not present in India. Also Chinese brand marketing has been on spot.

USD150 is just a number for the rural area and we are not talking about those people. We are talking about middle class and rich class people and they don't buy USD150 smartphone.

 

[JPack]

Launch price for iPhone X = 1.02 lakhs. Dollar exchange rate around that period = 1usd : 64.5 ( or some such ). Can fluctuate between 35%-40% difference ( assuming iPhone X costs 1000 USD.

Also why are you so hell bent , sitting over there and gleaning articles, on trying to say that Indians can’t afford the iPhone X versus Indians sitting here saying they can ( some like me even own it ) but Cost isnt necessarily the only driving factor.

Single data points like you or a couple other posters are almost meaningless.

I’m being objective by presenting aggregate data. You’re presenting hand waving arguments and dismissing real data.

Prove your points.
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Exactly every Market is different.

Chinese brand presence was nothing before 3-4 years back like what it is right now. Back then Apple never gave a damn about India and even today. So many flagship stores in China, UK, USA but none in India. Why will people buy Apple when they are not present in India. Also Chinese brand marketing has been on spot.

USD150 is just a number for the rural area and we are not talking about those people. We are talking about middle class and rich class people and they don't buy USD150 smartphone.

How is an ASP of $157 for India a “rural number”? It’s an average.

If there aren’t enough middle class and “rich class” people, it means there aren’t enough wealthy smartphone buyers in India.

Do you think the $360 global ASP for smartphones is a fake stat?
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Launch price for iPhone X = 1.02 lakhs. Dollar exchange rate around that period = 1usd : 64.5 ( or some such ). Can fluctuate between 35%-40% difference ( assuming iPhone X costs 1000 USD.

Nice try with the fake stat.

Launch price of iPhone X was Rs. 89,000 ($1,295).

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...000-time-launch-offers-specifications-1770578

 

[aakshey]

Single data points like you or a couple other posters are almost meaningless.

I’m being objective by presenting aggregate data. You’re presenting hand waving arguments and dismissing real data.

Prove your points.
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How is an ASP of $157 for India a “rural number”? It’s an average.

If there aren’t enough middle class and “rich class” people, it means there aren’t enough wealthy smartphone buyers in India.

Do you think the $360 global ASP for smartphones is a fake stat?
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Nice try with the fake stat.

Launch price of iPhone X was Rs. 89,000 ($1,295).

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...000-time-launch-offers-specifications-1770578

It was less than 1295. At launch INR 10000-15000 cashbacks were common. Then GST refund of 10% approx. So less than USA.
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Exactly every Market is different.

Chinese brand presence was nothing before 3-4 years back like what it is right now. Back then Apple never gave a damn about India and even today. So many flagship stores in China, UK, USA but none in India. Why will people buy Apple when they are not present in India. Also Chinese brand marketing has been on spot.

USD150 is just a number for the rural area and we are not talking about those people. We are talking about middle class and rich class people and they don't buy USD150 smartphone.

Sorry that's typical Indian bull.

1. Chinese bought iPhones first and then Apple stores came in. Not the other way round.

2. 99.9% Indians don't know the difference between an Imagine store and Apple store. It is the same thing for them.

 

[Anandc]

It was less than 1295. At launch INR 10000-15000 cashbacks were common. Then GST refund of 10% approx. So less than USA.
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Sorry that's typical Indian bull.

1. Chinese bought iPhones first and then Apple stores came in. Not the other way round.

2. 99.9% Indians don't know the difference between an Imagine store and Apple store. It is the same thing for them.

Ae you serious? 99.9% Indians don't know the difference between an Imagine store and Apple store?

Cmon brother, you know that's not the fact at all. Indians are well updated about everything, specially when it comes to smartphones and computers.

 

[aakshey]

Ae you serious? 99.9% Indians don't know the difference between an Imagine store and Apple store?

Cmon brother, you know that's not the fact at all. Indians are well updated about everything, specially when it comes to smartphones and computers.

They really don’t.

For them it’s a place that only sells Apple products.

 

[singhs.apps]

I’m being objective by presenting aggregate data. You’re presenting hand waving arguments and dismissing real data

There is nothing objective about your points but cherry picking biased POV. If not you wouldn’t get excited at one poster from India confirming your so called objective aggregate BS while hand waving another who gives a diff story that doesn’t fit your ‘data’ . Where is the objectivity there ?

You might want to take it up with apple and ask them to stop trying considering that average smartphone rate here is 150 USD. Perhaps Apple knows somethings you don’t. They Certainly don’t rely on articles like you do.
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Prove your points.

Google (HAH !) Iphone 7 plus 256 price in India launch date circa first week, October 2016 then get historic USD to RS exchange rate ( hovering around 66.6 per USD if I remember correctly) and then multiply the result with Iphone USA price of the same model class on the same date. It will certainly be a LOT more closer to 40% than your cherry picked 'objective' opinion of 30% gleaned off just one article and one poster and the latest stats.
I remember because I bought that phone too.

 

[aakshey]

There is nothing objective about your points except cherry picking biased POV. If not you wouldn’t get excited at one poster from India confirming your so called objective aggregate BS while hand waving another who gives a diff story that doesn’t fit your ‘data’ . Where is the objectivity there ?

You might want to take it up with apple and ask them to stop trying considering that average smartphone rate here is 150 USD. Perhaps Apple know something’s you don’t. They Certainly don’t rely on articles like you do.

Yes. Because Apple feels that if 10+ yrs down the line, if 5-10% of Apple’s revenue can come from India which keeps growing at >10% a year, then it might be worth it.

But the fact is, that would still mean both USA and China would each be independently ahead of India even 10+ yrs down the line. But India could be worth more than many individual European countries to Apple at that point.

But the fact remains, Apple too is disappointed with how India has turned out so far. And that’s why they are playing it safe and slow.

And in India there is a problem bigger than lack of money. And that’s the thirst to spend money on consumerism. And that is a hard nut for Apple to crack. And it will be a slow grinding journey even if Apple figures it out.

To start with, they’ll need to not only provide a global level of Apple store service, but manufacture their phones in India and sell slightly below what they sell for anywhere else in the world. Because Indians love deals. And they would pounce on that if it happens.

 

[JPack]

There is nothing objective about your points but cherry picking biased POV. If not you wouldn’t get excited at one poster from India confirming your so called objective aggregate BS while hand waving another who gives a diff story that doesn’t fit your ‘data’ . Where is the objectivity there ?

You might want to take it up with apple and ask them to stop trying considering that average smartphone rate here is 150 USD. Perhaps Apple knows somethings you don’t. They Certainly don’t rely on articles like

Once again, you present no data. Again you dismiss ASP data using hand waving arguments.

Google (HAH !) Iphone 7 plus 256 price in India launch date circa first week, October 2016 then get historic USD to RS exchange rate ( hovering around 66.6 per USD if I remember correctly) and then multiply the result with Iphone USA price of the same model class on the same date. It will certainly be a LOT more closer to 40% than your cherry picked 'objective' opinion of 30% gleaned off just one article and one poster and the latest stats.
I remember because I bought that phone too.

Source? Links? Screenshots? Receipts? Another example of you cherry picking data using anecdotes.

I love how you quietly shifted from talking about iPhone X launch pricing to some iPhone 7 Plus 256 “factoid” as if no one would notice.

 

[singhs.apps]

Once again, you present no data. Again you dismiss ASP data using hand waving arguments.

Useless response. Looking the other way when refuted.

Reg sources and links and data do the work since you care so much. There are articles floating around. I already gave pointers regarding what to look for.

Troll baiting much.

 

[JPack]

Useless response. Looking the other way when refuted.

Reg sources and links and data do the work since you care so much. There are articles floating around. I already gave pointers regarding what to look for.

Troll baiting much.

Thanks for making it clear you aren’t willing to present any data. None except your own anecdotes.

Nobody is running on a wild goose chase using Google just because you present some anecdote as fact.

 

[singhs.apps]

Thanks for making it clear you aren’t willing to present any data. None except your own anecdotes.

Nobody is running on a wild goose chase using Google just because present some anecdote as fact.

Of course. No one is responding to serve your troll behaviour.

 

[JPack]

Of course. No one is responding to serve your troll behaviour.

Down to the personal attacks because I tried to fact check you? Classic.

 

[singhs.apps]

Down to the personal attacks because I tried to fact check you? Classic.

Classic 'deconstructing' troll. Heh !

 

[aakshey]

Once again, you present no data. Again you dismiss ASP data using hand waving arguments.




Source? Links? Screenshots? Receipts? Another example of you cherry picking data using anecdotes.

I love how you quietly shifted from talking about iPhone X launch pricing to some iPhone 7 Plus 256 “factoid” as if no one would notice.

During iPhone 7/+ launch, 10-20k cash backs were very common. Almost everybody got at least 10k cash back and there were others who even got 15-20k cash back. By cashback I am also including instant discounts if any. Or super normal exchange offers if any (in addition to the value of the exchange product).

So although the MRP for iPhone 7 started at over USD 900+ but after promotions it ended up being closer to USD 750ish and above.

 

[Aniruddh]

During iPhone 7/+ launch, 10-20k cash backs were very common. Almost everybody got at least 10k cash back and there were others who even got 15-20k cash back. By cashback I am also including instant discounts if any. Or super normal exchange offers if any (in addition to the value of the exchange product).

So although the MRP for iPhone 7 started at over USD 900+ but after promotions it ended up being closer to USD 750ish and above.

I bought iPhone 7 back then. I received no cashback, what are you talking about?

@JPack, you data is baseless.

I love how you picked Top end iPhone X's price in US (256GB, $999) vs Starter iPhone X price in India (64GB, ₹87,000 ~ $1285) to compare as if no one would notice. The 256GB variant costs ₹99,000 ($1465) here. Now compare $999 with $1465, that's 46.65% increase. So that was your hand waving argument and my data centric argument.

Any more hand waving argument you have?

 

[JPack]

I love how you picked Top end iPhone X's price in US (256GB, $999) vs Starter iPhone X price in India (64GB, ₹87,000 ~ $1285) to compare as if no one would notice. The 256GB variant costs ₹99,000 ($1465) here. Now compare $999 with $1465, that's 46.65% increase. So that was your hand waving argument and my data centric argument.

Any more hand waving argument you have?

Seems like you’re having a mental breakdown.

$999 in the U.S. is for the base model iPhone X with 64 GB.

$1,285 in India for iPhone X base model with 64 GB.

Nowhere near 40% for same product. Amazing you guys still pretend like India pays more than any country in the world for iPhone.

Feel free to try again. Or do you always present prices with a bold face lie? Everybody in the world knows iPhone X starts at $999 in the U.S.

 

[Aniruddh]

Oh well, I checked again and yes you are partly right.

$999 Base price for iPhone X US
₹92,499 (~$1343) Base price for iPhone X India

Difference 34%.

And I never said, India pays more than any other in the world, you are making up that part.

The argument is: it is expensive minus services.

Feel free to try again. Or do you always present prices with a bold face lie? Everybody in the world knows iPhone X starts at $999 in the U.S.

I think you have a fighting tendency that's why you choose those words.

 

[aakshey]

I hope people realise $999 is pretax. Tax is usually 5-10% extra.

Also, there’s no dearth of countries where iPhones cost $1300-1500, services aren’t provided, yet the sales are way more than in India. Despite having far smaller populations.

 

[Aniruddh]

I hope people realise $999 is pretax. Tax is usually 5-10% extra.

Also, there’s no dearth of countries where iPhones cost $1300-1500, services aren’t provided, yet the sales are way more than in India. Despite having far smaller populations.

You can purchase it from eBay, it costs you $932.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED...3.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.Xiphone+x.TRS1#shpCntId#shId

That's 256GB variant.

 

[JPack]

Oh well, I checked again and yes you are partly right.

$999 Base price for iPhone X US
₹92,499 (~$1343) Base price for iPhone X India

iPhone X base price in India: ₹87,800.00.

Trying to sneak in a 5% increase? Why am I not surprised.

• iPhone X 64GB (NY, U.S.) = $1,087.66 (inclusive of all taxes)
  
• iPhone X 64GB (India) = $1,276 (inclusive of all taxes)

17% difference

 

[aakshey]

You can purchase it from eBay, it costs you $932.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-APPLE-IPHONE-X-256-SPACE-GREY-AT-T-SHIPS-NOW/192621036901?epid=239009332&hash=item2cd91bc565:g:-MMAAOSwvDpbDZXF&_sacat=0&_nkw=iphone+x&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.Xiphone+x.TRS1#shpCntId#shId

That's 256GB variant.

Who are you kidding? Nobody does that. You don’t know what you’ll get.

If I need to explain to you that’s not the norm, then there’s no point discussing with you.

The standard in USA is the Apple store (online or offline) or carriers.

The standard in India is Flipkart and Amazon.

 

[JPack]

You can purchase it from eBay, it costs you $932.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-APPLE-IPHONE-X-256-SPACE-GREY-AT-T-SHIPS-NOW/192621036901?epid=239009332&hash=item2cd91bc565:g:-MMAAOSwvDpbDZXF&_sacat=0&_nkw=iphone+x&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.Xiphone+x.TRS1#shpCntId#shId

That's 256GB variant.

Sure, you could also buy a stolen one off the street for less.

Are you seriously trying to compare retail prices vs. online private auction prices?

 

[aakshey]

Sure, you could also buy a stolen one off the street for less.

Are you seriously trying to compare retail prices vs. online private auction prices?

It is hard to discuss with Indians. Few make any sense or so it seems from this thread. They just want to show their unreasonable patriotism at all costs.

 

[JPack]

Who are you kidding? Nobody does that. You don’t know what you’ll get.

If I need to explain to you that’s not the norm, then there’s no point discussing with you.

The standard in USA is the Apple store (online or offline) or carriers.

The standard in India is Flipkart and Amazon.

@Aniruddh tried to lie about iPhone X pricing in the U.S. He was caught and is now trying slither away using eBay pricing. I've never seen less decency before.
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It is hard to discuss with Indians. Few make any sense or so it seems from this thread. They just want to show their unreasonable patriotism at all costs.

I'm starting to get that feeling.

It doesn't help India as a country that some people are trying to hide from the facts. Improvement is about facing realities, not hiding from them.