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Good. This is part of Job's 1980s vision for Project Sand. Silicon from sand goes in one end of an Apple factory, and computers (and other devices) come out the other end.
 
Well, that'll be the end of enterprise use and Mac gaming. Without the ability to run windows in a virtual machine businesses will have to drop the platform. Likewise gaming companies...not going to do a completely different set of code (Mac gaming already mostly sucks outside boot camp).

Typical apple. All about thin, light, battery life. Not about performance, compatibility or functionality.

But we shouldn't be surprised. This is from the company that thinks an iPad is a computer.
 
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In High Sierra, Apple removed telnet and ftp in terminal for no reason. So, why wouldn't it disappear?

I suspect High Sierra was a reference for what's being smoked in Cupertino.

Its PITA that they've both been removed, but install these via Brew.
 
This is a good thing. x86 is an archaic architecture that needs to be taken out the back and shot. I’m surprised nobody else has brought up the fact the whole tech industry is backing an initiative to do exactly that. Look up RISC V.

Microsoft have also realised two things: the future is not x86 and the future is not Windows. Take one look at their org restructure and you can see that.

If you’re worried about running Linux, well, don’t. Linux has been running on ARM happily for years.

Finally we can ditch all this horrible legacy crap that’s required massive, power zapping, hot silicon and replace it with something that doesn’t require most of the microcode to be patches on top of patches to make it work.

The future is bright.

X86 is old but it's the closest thing to a universal and open arch we have. Expect more walled gardens, less security breach disclosures, and vertical business models designed to squeeze blood from the user as hardware and software are designed more for user capture than usefulness.

Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but predatory business practices have been honed to a gleaming edge.
 
Sounds to me like the 'Pro' monikered Macs are safe for the foreseeable. We could see Apple moving more Macs to Xeon CPUs in the future to thwart our Hackintosh friends.
 
Based on users' points of view, is this the beginning of nightmare or 3-in-1 device? I welcome the latter possibility.

Under these new chips, can we run Windows and Linux on MBP as triple boot system?
 
You must be foolish to believe in benchmarks. Android phones beating iPhone X in REAL world scenarios alone, proves benchmarks are meaningless. What is more laughable is the fact that you actually believe an Ipad is faster than an Intel processor. :D:D

Or maybe the tablet will slow down when it gets a file system.?.
 
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If x86 is out, I'm out as well.

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I can't wait to buy an AMD Threadripper... so much bang for the buck. GOODBYE APPLE!
 
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Stick a fork in it; this Apple is cooked.

-a guy old enough to remember the cluster that was the transition *to* the world's most advanced chip maker...which was horrible for everyone and alienated the heck out of developers and users alike, but was needed for the obvious reason that second-tier silicon will always, always handicap a computer.

Transitioning away from tier-one processors for the sake of margin is the most "run by an accountant" disaster that I can think of.
 
I guess I should start making plans for my exit from the Apple ecosystem.

While I've been able to tolerate the closed nature of the iPhone and iPad, since I treat them mostly as appliances, I would not be able to tolerate the same thing on the Mac.

Using Intel CPUs maintains compatibility with the rest of the industry. I can run virtual machines on my Mac running Linux, Windows, or pretty much any x86-based OS. This is crucial to my usage of the platform.

It's unfortunate if this is true and I really hope it isn't.

The Apple chip would almost certainly be ARM based. This just means you'll finally see people get serious about ARM virtualization. Every major operating system has an ARM version. So relax.
 
This is a good thing. x86 is an archaic architecture that needs to be taken out the back and shot. I’m surprised nobody else has brought up the fact the whole tech industry is backing an initiative to do exactly that. Look up RISC V.

RISC V is a UC Berkeley academic research project and is more comparable to ARM than X86.
It lacks infrastructure and uses a connectivity protocol called TileLink that is immature and has very little support in the industry.

You don't have the collateral and tool flow for RISC V that exists for ARM and Intel and it's a uphill battle.
You have a lot of companies looking at RSC V but they are not thinking about replacing a general CPU. They are looking at things like AI and deep learning. RISC V is at best an ARM competitor and still lagging behind in that area.

I'll say it again.
When Apple gets a real fab partner and can secure a wafer supply agreement let me know.
When Apple buys or builds a fab, let me know.

Until one of those things happens; Apple isn't in the same city, let alone same ballpark in competing with Intel.
 
so successful they came to intel, eh?

Bingo. Coming to Intel allowed corporate use. And that's what saved the platform. They lost schools on price, creatives on performance, and gamers on pretty much everything. Lose intel compatibility, require proprietary device drivers and custom code, and you'll lose the enterprise market. That's where the growth is.
 
Since we are going all out on speculation, I’ve kinda wondered if Apple would ever take a shot at buying AMD to round out their hardware business. Right now I think AMD is a really good fit, since Intel and nvidia have such dominant roles in the PC space. Already AMD could provide a really good mobile/Mac mini chip in Raven Ridge, and they can go all the way up to Threadripper and Epyc for pros. AMD graphics are also already well-suited for Apple. AMD also holds an ARM license. Think how different this 2020 rumor would look if an AMD purchase was made before then? Granted, it could take over a year to make that big of a purchase.
 
I'm thinking ARM based. But legacy Intel support provided virtually through thin client (cloud hosted). That way only need the Virtual machine in the cloud - no need for Intel support on the new boxes.
 
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Well, so it's beginning. I wonder how many people will choose to move on from Apple due to lack of X86 support. I for one will not be buying a Mac that I cannot run windows on
i use both. win on business, macOS private. yes, make your own chip, little apple !!!!!!
 
The Apple chip would almost certainly be ARM based. This just means you'll finally see people get serious about ARM virtualization. Every major operating system has an ARM version. So relax.

Windows 7 doesn't. Neither does windows 10 if you need device drivers or vendor support.
 
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