I don't agree, it's not that easy and that's not how it's designed. That's why you don't have ARM anything being faster than Intel. Or Microsoft could just make an ARM tablet that runs as fast as the Intel counterpart.
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I don't agree, it's not that easy and that's not how it's designed. That's why you don't have ARM anything being faster than Intel. Or Microsoft could just make an ARM tablet that runs as fast as the Intel counterpart.
yes. I was wrong on max. there are trade offs. tried to correct my post before too late, but ... was too late
But that's why Apple doesn't offer a 64gb model (so they claim) is those trade offs weren't worth it.
Ultimately, they could pop in the current CPU i listed and not have any noticable differences, except faster overall clocks.
I'm not sure what Intels' roadmap for HQ models are now that the U models are capable of 4c8t like the HQ were.
probably see it more in workstation replacement laptops than Mac Pro "thin and light pro" laptops.
You don't think they will successfully do what? Entice developers on an ARM based Mac?
The Rosetta software helped out when Apple left the PowerPC chips for Intel. I remember rarely running into apps that wouldn’t either run natively or through Rosetta for years.
However BootCamp would greatly be missed as I hated Virtual PC in those days.
Who really believes it’s so they don’t have to wait for Intel to release updated Macs? Does anyone really think Apple will all of the sudden release Macs more often after this? Doubtful IMO.
However BootCamp would greatly be missed as I hated Virtual PC in those days.
Who really believes it’s so they don’t have to wait for Intel to release updated Macs? Does anyone really think Apple will all of the sudden release Macs more often after this? Doubtful IMO.
The iPad pros and iPhones since A10 have run faster than some Intel chips in their Macbooks.
Yes...It's all about tradeoffs and right now Apple is constrained by the mix Intel offers. You want the highest clock frequency (and an increase that is very incremental at that), you incur an adverse trade somewhere else (graphics, memory, bus speed, etc).
All the more reason for Apple to roll their own full-custom CPUs, going beyond ARM, which would provide a huge set of benefits. They're one of the very few companies who could pull that off.
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They just want to control all of it. I don't necessarily think they'd devote more time to Macs---it's clear, especially after the education event, that iOS is their priority.
90% of college students run Windows on their Macs? That's an interesting number... Also, I've suddenly lost all faith in colleges and their students.
I don't know if I'm cherrypicking here.
A $680,000,000,000 software company has been throwing billions of dollars, engineering, marketing, hardware, software, and incentives at the same strategy for a decade and has failed abjectly to gain any traction or adoption.
They recompiled their OS to run perfectly on ARM hardware, incented devs to develop for it, then incented the marketplace to adopt it by selling the hardware at negative margins. And people told them where to stick it: They wanted openness, compatibility, and the ability to run the software they already owned.
What Apple has announced is not a lot different, with the notable exception that MS has most of the marketshare whereas Apple has a single-digit percentage of it and are therefore at a massive disadvantage when it comes to trying to strongarm their user base.
College ain't what it used to be
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No no---picking at me for stating ARM on Windows was a newer development. That's not really the point of my post.
I think iOS developers writing similar apps the Mac would do very well for themselves. How hard is it to port a iOS app to x86 versus to ARM?
after reading pros and cons for 20+ pages:
My prediction:
Ax type chip to run iOS for battery life, basic web browsing, iOS gaming, and iOS App Compatibility
x86 type chip from AMD/Video cards AMD with the ability for the iOS swap data/copy/paste etc with the host
Apple specific apps/iOS devs get a new market, pages etc, run only on the iPad section.
Traditional users get the virtualization, gaming, power user capabilities, plus low power, long life at the flip of the 'sleep' icon
Basically a blend of the iPad Pro and its tools with real capabilities as needed. macOS sleep is already amazing and works seamless. The only reason I hate the iPad Pro is zero virtualization.
2nd step is "plug" your phone, wirelessly in for the iOS capabilities so Apple can keep the profits for a 2-3 year phone cycle and a 5-6 year laptop cycle
My prediction:
Ax type chip to run iOS for battery life, basic web browsing, iOS gaming, and iOS App Compatibility
x86 type chip from AMD/Video cards AMD with the ability for the iOS swap data/copy/paste etc with the host
Apple specific apps/iOS devs get a new market, pages etc, run only on the iPad section.
Traditional users get the virtualization, gaming, power user capabilities, plus low power, long life at the flip of the 'sleep' icon
Basically a blend of the iPad Pro and its tools with real capabilities as needed. macOS sleep is already amazing and works seamless. The only reason I hate the iPad Pro is zero virtualization.
2nd step is "plug" your phone, wirelessly in for the iOS capabilities so Apple can keep the profits for a 2-3 year phone cycle and a 5-6 year laptop cycle
The world runs on Windows. You must be new to the planet.
The world runs on unix.
You really know little about AMD....
They made $$ all quarters of 2017. https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/amd/financials?query=cash-flow
They have a nice custom business. Every xBox 1, PS4, and AtariOne has a custom AMD CPU in it.
Apple's main selling point for Intel Macs has been the compatibility with x86. If someone purchases AMD their license goes out the window. Makes sense for them to partner with them for graphics + CPUs.
Business decision. The technology world changing rapidly. Apple moving with this change better then most technology companies. Arm chips better suited for Apples future as systems evolve. One day soon, the laptop will be the same as the old desktop, few if any using them. We all will be more like the Jetson’s, really. Perfect fit for Apple, the ultimate sweet spot. One system, everything integrated, welcome to the Jetson’s home and office. ‘Change happens slowly until it happens’. Paraphrasing someone with very special perceptions, Steve Job’s.
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Precisely. They have almost no developers as it is -- almost all software is written for Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android.
Entire categories are just vacant or nearly vacant -- ERP, CAD, CRM, you name it.
To tell EVERY remaining dev that they have to recompile or rewrite their app AGAIN...these are the tactics of a dominant platform, not an also-ran like Mac.
Windows was on ARM as Surface RT and 2 (non-pro), and a handful of OEMs took the bait (ASUS, HP). RT died, and at best there was Windows 10 Mobile, which was phone only. Those are still around, but it's not something we talk about. Now we have a few WOA devices, which have great battery life, sad performance, and rather high prices.
Can't say that I remembered the clean 32 thing. As far as apple falling behind and making excuses, this would be a different apple. That Apple was beholden to Motorola's schedule and agenda with the 68k. Then to Moto/IBM on the PPC.
This would be apple designing the chips themselves and having TSMC or Samsung build them. No excuses would be tolerated.
I’m guessing the point is to leverage iOS for the Mac - as you say macs are a software poor platform so I don’t think Apple are too worried about jettisoning compatibility of x86 if it means tapping into the much more active iOS developer community.
1) You’re right. It’s not easy. But Apple has chip designs teams who are quite capable of developing chips that are “not easy”. And reimplementing a processor core microarchitecture that is already at mid MacBook Pro levels is much less difficult that starting from scratch, which Apple has already done at least twice with ARM ISAs.
2) Also: You replied to a high-end chip architect who has done “not easy” before. You can look up his patents.