Windows runs on ARM too. And even x86 programs work on it. (Sadly no x64 yet)
And i'm sure Microsoft will be eager to work with Apple to keep Bootcamp alive
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Apple Plans to Ditch Intel and Use Custom Mac Chips Starting in 2020
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Windows runs on ARM too. And even x86 programs work on it. (Sadly no x64 yet)
And i'm sure Microsoft will be eager to work with Apple to keep Bootcamp alive
All I care about is if I'll be able to play (real) games 5+ years from now when my gaming PC is on it's last legs.
The successful 68k to PowerPC transition? Or the successful PowerPC to x86 transition?
On the one hand, this is really exciting. The potential (read: performance) that could come out of Apple creating the silicon as well as the software in their Macs might just surprise us all. It would certainly shake things up in the industry, I think.
On the other hand, this could be a utter and total disaster if there isn't a method to seamlessly port x86 applications over to Mac. If developers are having to develop apps for Windows and Mac completely independently of one another, with absolutely no overlapping capabilities, I see this ending badly. I mean, Apple went AWAY from "proprietary" processors (PowerPC, not technically proprietary, but I digress) in 2005 when they switched to Intel after all.
zorinlynx said it well:
On the other hand, this could be a utter and total disaster if there isn't a method to seamlessly port x86 applications over to Mac. If developers are having to develop apps for Windows and Mac completely independently of one another, with absolutely no overlapping capabilities, I see this ending badly. I mean, Apple went AWAY from "proprietary" processors (PowerPC, not technically proprietary, but I digress) in 2005 when they switched to Intel after all.
zorinlynx said it well:
Well, VT-x support might be achievable even on ARM64, Apple can work together with Microsoft on ARM emulation. It makes sense now that Apple will kill x86_32bit Apps in macOS 10.15. It allow them to make fat ARM64/AMD64 binaries.
Intel processors >> Apple processors, by a long shot.
Think of the lead Apple would have in desktop power and features if their mobile processors and GPU's are any indication. They will smoke Intel.
It would clearly set the Mac apart from Windows/Linux world. This is why Tim kept saying we are not abandoning the Mac and are developing exciting things.
It would clearly set the Mac apart from Windows/Linux world. This is why Tim kept saying we are not abandoning the Mac and are developing exciting things.
If you're going to divorce from Intel, at least stay on x86 and ask AMD for a custom design. They would literally bend over for the occasion.
I am not sure why anyone needs to use Windows on a Mac anymore? If you use MS Office it is better than it has ever been on a Mac. Also many other apps in the Windows world are now either on a Mac, web/browser based or have excellent alternatives. Example as a network engineer, I ran a Windows VM on my Mac just for Visio. Then I made the move to OmniGraffle Pro (Better than Visio IMHO) and killed off my VM.
If they do this slow enough then I can easily see most if not all of the Mac software vendors making the move. I have no doubt Omni would do it as they also have excellent iOS apps. Also MS Office is on iOS and porting their Mac version from Intel to something else would probably not be that hard.
The problem is that if you have x86 software, running it on ARM windows on a future mac won’t be too doable. You need some sort of x86 emulation or translation. And Intel likes to assert that you can’t make an x86 emulator without infringing its intellectual property.
You have no idea if it is or is not.
Some raise their concern regarding not being able to run Windows, well, seems like it does run on arm so there you are.
Eventually Arm might be as or more powerful than Intel, or am I saying something stupid now.
Eventually Arm might be as or more powerful than Intel, or am I saying something stupid now.
Apple can't even bump the processor speeds in Macs in a timely manner. Do they really think Intel is the bottleneck?
???? Drivers for hardware (printers etc) are written for the OS not the CPU.
No they wouldn’t. We turned down several offers to make custom chips when I was there.
Who said you can't run windows? I am sure they will have a solution like Parallels that will smoke native speed
My work computer runs OS X.
They also sell an awful lot of Mac hardware to people who run just Windows, or Windows as well.
Maybe they've thought about this with an on chip compatibility layer or something - there's no word on if these would be ARM based like iOS devices - it'd be doubtful ARM isn't powerful enough to run top end systems.
More part of Apple's intense desire to reduce power, reduce performance, reduce integration, but still charge more. Makes sense, since they have not done enough recently to push Apple computer users away.
Plot the actual benchmark speed changes over the last 10 years, ARM vs. x86. X86 doesn’t look so good.
Sounds like an introduction to the walled garden for desktop / laptop computers.... may be the end of the open Apple Mac platform as we know it today.
You mean, like they declined the occasion for developing custom CPU designs for Xbox One and PS4?
Why not? should be rather interesting. They've had a good number of years in the iPhone and iPad scope to scale it to Mac, which with every macOS update is shaping into an iOS crossover.
If you are saying ARM isn’t powerful enough for top end systems, that’s nonsense. “Power” is a function of the chip design, not the architecture. Apple could easily add more cores to the A10, bump up the clock speed a bit, increase the size of some buffers and caches, and use a better thermal solution, and compete quite well with current high end intel chips.