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Universal iOS/macOS(/tvOS?) apps -> ARM Macs -> hybrid Mac/iOS devices?

Wow! I remember the transition from power PC chips to Intel. Yes, I am that old and have been around Apple that long. This will be quite the transition similar to that time.

Frankly put, I’m excited especially with some of the business decisions Intel has been making as of late.
I remember the 68k to PPC transition, you youngins’. :p
 
Just buy a keyboard for your iPad Pro. If you are happy with iOS applications, that are cutdown versions of their PC counterparts, you really don't need a desktop / laptop computer.

Mac OS has stagnated because Apple has allowed it to.

Many Mac applications cannot get onto the Mac AppStore due to Apple's requirements ( sandboxed etc ), because technically it is not feasible. These applications, personally, I find the the most useful and use day to day for home and work.

I have a keyboard, but I can see the value in mouse support, larger screens, better multitasking, multi monitor support, etc. These are things that make the desktop environment great. Yes, I agree, that's why I feel taking this next step could be a big boost for Mac apps and developers alike, provided the tools to do so.
 
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Exactly. Let's hope that if this rumor is true that Apple will be using chips that, even if they support special functions, remain fully Intel compatible. For many, many years Apple used non-industry-standard chips. I would absolutely argue that, for a considerable amount of that time, the Motorola chips were far superior, but in the end one of the things that allowed Mac systems to be adopted widely turned out the be full Windows compatibility. The ability to fall-back to necessary Windows apps has been huge in the Eduction market, where it's not at all unusual to find state-mandated apps that are Windows only. Slow emulation (VirtualPC) solutions won't cut it, whereas "close to full-speed" VM solutions do work, making easy adoption of Mac systems possible. For most uses outside of gaming, solutions like VirtualBox work great. And let's talk gaming - I'm a gamer, my daughter is a gamer, our friends are gamers, their kids are gamers. Guess what? They all own MacBook Pros of various types (p.s. Apple, you need to build a 13" MacBook Pro with a real GPU someday). Guess what they do when they game? Yep, reboot in Windows. Guess what's more important, using a Mac, or gaming? Yep, gaming. If forced to choose between a laptop that runs Window games well and a Mac laptop in the future I can absolutely guarantee where their $$$ will go, and it won't be to Apple. So let's hope this rumor is unfounded, or that Apple knows what they are doing when designing their own chips... (Of course, streaming gaming might eventually make all of this moot, but we are nowhere close to that yet - even Steam's in-home LAN streaming can have some relatively significant quality and latency issues, not to mention no support for advanced controllers such as FFB wheels.)
Gamers on a Mac are actually a rare breed!!
 
While I do have a degree of nostalgia for pre-Intel Macs, I think the incorporation of Intel chips within Apple computers was a net-positive for both consumers and for Apple. Not sure this would be the best move would that it were to happen.
The Intel switch was a boon for all as they were never going to be able to make a G5 PowerBook that didn’t burst into flames, Bootcamp and the switch campaign was gravy.

The world has changed since then, phones/tablets have essentially EOL’d traditional computers and it isn’t worth fighting Microsoft over a stagnant (and shrinking) market. Even MS knows this, its why they’re pivoting to a SaaS/enterprise company like IBM and others have done.

It’s probably more efficient for Apple to have everything on the same architecture as well as paving the way for an eventual iOS/macOS merger... yes, I know thy said hey wouldn't do it but Apple is notorious for saying they won’t so something until they can ‘get it right’ and then suddenly its on tje table. Re: larger iPhones, Apple Pencil, etc.
 
If every single Mac user rejects ARM macs, and they lose their entire Mac customer base, but the new ARM macs appeal to a tiny percentage of non-mac-using iOS users, then Apple will be very happy with the decision.

And, of course, they won’t lose their entire Mac customer base, because the percentage that care about Windows is small.

As for gaming, there are a lot more hours spent in the world playing iOS games than windows games.
Nope i am a heavy Mac user and a moderate iOS user. And i need this. I need a Device that can switch between Tablet and Laptop Mode. can run apps that switch modes based on the mode i am using. A safari browser that changes its interface depending on whether i am holding the screen as a tablet or connected as a laptop. I think such a device is definitely coming otherwise there is no need of Marzipan.
 
I have a keyboard, but I can see the value in mouse support, larger screens, better multitasking, multi monitor support, etc. These are things that make the desktop environment great. Yes, I agree, that's why I feel taking this next step could be a big boost for Mac apps and developers alike, provided the tools to do so.

Making Mac OS into a iOS Desktop OS would be excessively dumbing it down. You wouldn't get the full potential from a desktop OS as you do today, applications would be more limited. The range of apps on the Mac App Store is junk compared to those applications that are available elsewhere and that would not change, and the quality isn't any better either -actually, its probably worse.

If you want more security, just download all your apps from the MacApp Store.
 
My uptime is usually as long as it takes Apple to push a new update, but OS X is so stable that i could run it for months without reboot. Actually i have a mini in my closet doing just that.
Yup same here, i just updated macOS 5 days back, i cant even imagine the same on a Windoze, it will slow down long before it happens and one would have to restart the machine. Linux is generally good but even that slows down after 20-25 days and a restart is required once a while.
 
My username says it all. Yes, I think is great. I've had this username for about 4 1/2 years. I deserve a cookie.

Except it's not going down like you imagined it would go down. You will most likely get an iPad dressed in MacBook Air chassis they will call Mac and that's pretty much it.

No current ARM chips can sustain desktop like performance and efficiency, they need upscaling for this and with upscaling comes inefficiency, they will be beyond Intel two or three generations ago. Someone has already tried that. So my bet is that Apple is betting on current mobile passive chips and they are willing to trade of desktop market for complete iOS experience across the range. Lots of software is going bye, bye with this move. But then again I'm certain Mac will keep Pro line up x86.
 
From what I read from Fortune (I Believe) is this might just be Apple way of leveraging Intel for I guess they are once again in negotiations. They also said if Apple does go through to make their own chips that the iMac, iMac Pro and Mac Pro might be a couple of years behind MacBook and/or not changed from the Intel Platform because of small share they represent compared to the mobile market. All I know is it's still to early to panic for it's still early in the rumor stage.
 
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If that happens, I will certainly ditch the platform. I have no incentive to deal with some obscure platform nobody supports. Ever since macs moved to Intel they were an amazing compromise somewhere between Linux and Windows, offering great developer support and the advantages of a Unix system. With the support gone, I'm probably better off switching to Linux.
I already do use Linux on two of my older Macs - an old MBP (1,1) which Apple hasn't supported for years (32-bit), and on my 4 year old iMac (still dual boot that one with MacOS). Once you tweak Apple's UEFI Linux works quite well on them. I would not purchase expensive Apple computers that can only run MacOS, as post-Jobs Apple tends to withdraw OS support after 5 or 6 years, and (at least, so far) their hardware lasts much longer than that.
 
Yup same here, i just updated macOS 5 days back, i cant even imagine the same on a Windoze, it will slow down long before it happens and one would have to restart the machine. Linux is generally good but even that slows down after 20-25 days and a restart is required once a while.

You are not doing whole lot on your Mac. I have monthly crashes on all of my Macs.
 
Nope i am a heavy Mac user and a moderate iOS user. And i need this. I need a Device that can switch between Tablet and Laptop Mode. can run apps that switch modes based on the mode i am using. A safari browser that changes its interface depending on whether i am holding the screen as a tablet or connected as a laptop. I think such a device is definitely coming otherwise there is no need of Marzipan.

Apple will happily choose to ignore your needs if they can instead meet the needs of a thousand iOS users.
 
Making Mac OS into a iOS Desktop OS would be dumbng it down. You wouldn't get the full potential from a desktop OS as you do today, applications would be more limited. The range of apps on the Mac App Store is junk compared to those applications that are available elsewhere and that would not change, and the quality isn't any better either -actually, its probably worse.

If you want more security, just download all your apps from the MacApp Store.

I think that's very short sighted as it hasn't even been created yet, we have no idea what it could potentially be like. I would like that, but there aren't a ton of Mac apps and overall quality of macOS has been poor over the last few years.
 
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Except it's not going down like you imagined it would go down. You will most likely get an iPad dressed in MacBook Air chassis they will call Mac and that's pretty much it.

No current ARM chips can sustain desktop like performance and efficiency, they need upscaling for this and with upscaling comes inefficiency, they will be beyond Intel two or three generations ago. Someone has already tried that. So my bet is that Apple is betting on current mobile passive chips and they are willing to trade of desktop market for complete iOS experience across the range. Lots of software is going bye, bye with this move. But then again I'm certain Mac will keep Pro line up x86.

Nothing you said makes any sense. What do you mean by “upscaling?” Scaling of what? Voltage? What do you mean by “inefficiency?” As a cpu designer I’d like to understand what you are trying to say.


And why does it matter what current chips can do - we are talking the start of a transition two years from now (presumably with a MacBook -like low end product). Apple’s chips are already fast enough for that, especially when put in a better thermal package where they don’t have to throttle. (Stick an ipad processor in a laptop and watch the magic happen).
 
Already, the A10 is close to passing Xeon. A few more tweaks and Intel will be fighting to catch up.

You have anything to back this claim up? Pretty sure a 22-core Xeon will pound that little A10 chip into the dirt.

(So I googled and the article I found on the Verge had it beating a 5 year old Xeon in single threaded performance on 1 benchmark, hardly a case to go on)
 
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You have anything to back this claim up? Pretty sure a 22-core Xeon will pound that little A10 chip into the dirt.

(So I googled and the article I found on the Verge had it beating a 5 year old Xeon in single threaded performance on 1 benchmark, hardly a case to go on)
Well the transistor count on A11 Bionic and 15-core Xeon Ivy Bridge-EX is the same for starters. 4.3 Billion Transistors. A11 Does a lot more than just being a processor, it is a SOC, with GPU and other peripherals and is only a 2x4 (6 Core) Chip. Imagine Apple Producing a 15 Core A20 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count
 
Well the transistor count on A11 Bionic and 15-core Xeon Ivy Bridge-EX is the same for starters. 4.3 Billion Transistors. A11 Does a lot more that and is only a 2x4 (6 Core) Chip. Imagine Apple Producing a 15 Core A20 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count
Some here forget that those ARm chips in iPhones and iPads operate with big energy and heat restrictions that are much smaller in a desktop Mac. Performance would be much higher.
 
Well the transistor count on A11 Bionic and 15-core Xeon Ivy Bridge-EX is the same for starters. 4.3 Billion Transistors. A11 Does a lot more than just being a processor, it is a SOC, with GPU and other peripherals and is only a 2x4 (6 Core) Chip. Imagine Apple Producing a 15 Core A20 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count

Transistor count and performance are extremely weakly correlated.

And most of the transistors in a11 are in arrays (memory structures like caches buffers). Much larger percentage of Xeon transistors do actual computations.
 
Some here forget that those ARm chips in iPhones and iPads operate with big energy and heat restrictions that are much smaller in a desktop Mac. Performance would be much higher.

Exactly, as I noted a few posts ago. Stick an iPad processor in a laptop where it can have a much bigger heat sink and you’d never have to throttle. Stick it in a desktop where you can have a fan, and you can bump up the frequency quite a bit.
 
I think that's very short sighted as it hasn't even been created yet, we have no idea what it could potentially be like. I would like that, but there aren't a ton of Mac apps and overall quality of macOS has been poor over the last few years.

No it isn't shortsighted. Apple like control. This would give Apple the opportunity to put everything behind a walled garden and give more control to 3rd party software, at the worse case scenario. An iOS desktop would almost certainly be MORE restrictive for 3rd party apps than what we have today, which would be fine for those who use their computers for viewing animals on social media, but for those who use their Macs for a living, would be a definite negative.

The quality of MacOS is purely down to Apple, and no one else.

There are still great applications out there, that are not on the Mac AppStore, and will never be on the Mac AppStore.
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Yup A10X already is at par with many a intel chips https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/apple-cpu-vs-intel-cpu-fight/130182
A11 Bionic should be faster than A10X.

Again, benchmarks. LOL.

Not real world. Different architecture. Apps and Oranges.
 
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