Apple, Please take notes: HP Envy with 1080 X 1920 15 inch screen

Dustman

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That's actually a nice looking laptop. Not worth using windows, or trading away the unibody, but still.. surprising for a PC. The usability of 16:9 screens on computers right now is being argued. Great for movies, not so great for text editing or videos in 4:3. Higher res would be great though for sure, although Apple has never been all that keen on giving the consumer choice.
 

prodigee

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Despite your username your thread title is full of fail. I think you meant 1920x1080... And yeah we all know that that 15" MBP has a low resolution and that HP has released the Envy which essentially is the HP overpriced version of a MBP. While I do think that Apple could do with a higher resolution display on the 15", I can understand why they haven't, because then there would be almost no reason to buy a 17" and the viewing size for a 15" with 1920x1080 would be small for even the best eyes.

Although I have said all this. I am sure that you will come back and say well they could at least offer an option for a 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 (which if they are to release a higher resolution there is no way in hell it will be a 16:9), which is entirely true, but I don't think Apple would release it as an option it is something that they would either go for, for the entire product line.
 

Hands Sandon

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http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/10/hp-envy-15-unboxing-and-hands-on/

The resolution on the current 15 inch MBP is circa 2002. Why can't Apple offer an optional higher res screen? They did it with the last gen of 17 notebooks, where 1920 X 1200 was an option.
It's nothing short of a scam by Apple to not offer anti-glare and higher resolution screen alternatives on their computers given they're making vast profits. I can't actually see why by offering these choices they would even lose money anyway. Maybe they would argue it would push the costs up for everyone else. I don't know, but Sheesh their choice is limiting.
 

Eidorian

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I really like the display options other vendors have on their notebooks. 1600 x 900 for a 13" notebook is very desirable.
 

Demosthenes X

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It's nothing short of a scam by Apple to not offer anti-glare and higher resolution screen alternatives on their computers given they're making vast profits. I can't actually see why by offering these choices they would even lose money anyway. Maybe they would argue it would push the costs up for everyone else. I don't know, but Sheesh their choice is limiting.
Do you have any idea what the word "scam" means? :rolleyes:
 

vant

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It's nothing short of a scam by Apple to not offer anti-glare and higher resolution screen alternatives on their computers given they're making vast profits. I can't actually see why by offering these choices they would even lose money anyway. Maybe they would argue it would push the costs up for everyone else. I don't know, but Sheesh their choice is limiting.
Don't buy it?

It's like getting mad at Lexus for not including HID as standard, and then calling them scammers.

Ignorance.
 

prodigee

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It's nothing short of a scam by Apple to not offer anti-glare and higher resolution screen alternatives on their computers given they're making vast profits. I can't actually see why by offering these choices they would even lose money anyway. Maybe they would argue it would push the costs up for everyone else. I don't know, but Sheesh their choice is limiting.
The iMac is not a professional computer, it is a consumers computer. Although the top of the line 27" is arguably a pro machine. I just can't see Apple releasing a 16:9 laptop, that in my view would be like making a 16:9 Cinema Display it just doesn't make sense for the target audience Apple makes these machines for.
 

vant

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The iMac is not a professional computer, it is a consumers computer. Although the top of the line 27" is arguably a pro machine. I just can't see Apple releasing a 16:9 laptop, that in my view would be like making a 16:9 Cinema Display it just doesn't make sense for the target audience Apple makes these machines for.
What makes anything a professional computer?

I see iMacs being used at businesses operated by professionals, does that make it professional?

Why do you even care if it's even labeled as a 'pro' machine?
 

Full of Win

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Despite your username your thread title is full of fail. I think you meant 1920x1080... And yeah we all know that that 15" MBP has a low resolution and that HP has released the Envy which essentially is the HP overpriced version of a MBP. While I do think that Apple could do with a higher resolution display on the 15", I can understand why they haven't, because then there would be almost no reason to buy a 17" and the viewing size for a 15" with 1920x1080 would be small for even the best eyes.

Although I have said all this. I am sure that you will come back and say well they could at least offer an option for a 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 (which if they are to release a higher resolution there is no way in hell it will be a 16:9), which is entirely true, but I don't think Apple would release it as an option it is something that they would either go for, for the entire product line.
In don't know about for math, but mine tells ma A X B = B X A, so 1920 X 1080 = 1080 X 1920.

If they did not go as high as 1080 X 1920, I could live with that. However, the current top level is simply unacceptable for this class of laptop. Heck, make it an OPTION. Also, HP sells plenty of 17 inch laptops, but they have no problem selling a laptop like this one.
 

neteng101

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1680x1050 is a much better hi-res option - 1920x1080 is just way too much for a 15" screen. :rolleyes:
 

alphaod

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I'd love it if they offered a 1920x1200 display with an IPS panel on the 15" MacBook Pro; I'd switch up in a second.
 

dan5.5

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i second the idea of 1680 by 1050... I had it on my 4 year old dell. Great resolution for a computer that size
 

zorahk

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In don't know about for math, but mine tells ma A X B = B X A, so 1920 X 1080 = 1080 X 1920.

If they did not go as high as 1080 X 1920, I could live with that. However, the current top level is simply unacceptable for this class of laptop. Heck, make it an OPTION. Also, HP sells plenty of 17 inch laptops, but they have no problem selling a laptop like this one.
Doesn't quite work that way. The number of pixels would be the same, but width is first and height is second when talking about squares and rectangles generally. In this case, what you are talking about (1080x1920) would be 9:16 instead of 16:9.

So, aside from that being wrong, you should also note apple would be more likely to use 1920x1200 on a laptop. (16:10)
 

cfitz7111

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Depends on what your definition of professional is.

I know of many iMacs, the last 24" version, to be used in many video houses and studios around Hollywood.
 

Kristenn

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Right. And I have used an HP laptop from 2006 that had a 15inch screen and could only go up to 1200x800. I think anything higher then 1400x600 would give authors a head ache on a 15 inch screen. But thats just my opinion.
 

prodigee

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What makes anything a professional computer?

I see iMacs being used at businesses operated by professionals, does that make it professional?

Why do you even care if it's even labeled as a 'pro' machine?
The things that make it Pro, in other words, the display, the processor, graphics, etc. It was not until recently that iMac's had become more of a powerhouse. In my view the pros are not media centers but are used for professional development (correct me if I am wrong but this is why there are MacBook PROS and Mac PROS, if you make a laptop 16:9 you are losing at least 180 precious pixels, and for the photo editors, graphic designers, and coders out there those pixels really do come in handy. There is also the fact that IMO 16:9 laptops are quite uneasy on the eyes there is too much lateral distance across the display and not enough up and down.

And math has nothing to do with the resolution in this case you are saying that the display would be 1080 pixels wide and 1920 pixels high, (if you go by traditional speak), so I guess you would be correct OP. I also did say you would say make it an option and I did say there was nothing wrong with that if I am not mistaken.

I would also say that 1680 x 1050 for a 15" would be best, my Dad a 15" IBM with 1680 x 1050 and it looked great. (From a resolution and visibility point of view).
 

Yixian

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I think most of us would agree that the HP Envy has now upped the game on the new MacBook Pros. Obviously the build quality, durability etc. of the Envy won't come close the MBPs already, but Apple now have no excuse not to put more effort into providing better specs in the next Pros.

16:9, i5/i7, and a better card than the 4670 - there are no excuses anymore.

Doubly so with Arrandale.
 

ravenvii

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Haha, funny how you all go "wow hey that looks good for a PC laptop!"

Yeah of course it looks good - that's because it looks so much like a MacBook Pro! :D
 

AaronX

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I thought the point of 1920, the reason it's a magic number, is because it's the limit for full HD. That's no use when no Macs of any form have Blu-Ray drives yet.
 

Morn

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15" isn't much room for 1920x1080.
And HP has a lack of attention to detail, hell why would you put the vents here? :rolleyes:


God, I don't think I could buy a laptop with so many nobly bits and misplaced vents, obviously HP engineers are not perfectionists.


I thought the point of 1920, the reason it's a magic number, is because it's the limit for full HD. That's no use when no Macs of any form have Blu-Ray drives yet.
Blu Ray is not the only way to get 1080p video.
 

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I like this HPBook Pro.
 

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I like this HPBook Pro.
I like that it should now force Apple to make the MBPs more competitive on the spec side of things.

If the GPU sucks or we're still stuck with C2D etc. then many people will simply plump for this thing, even though it'll probably self destruct with 2 years.
 
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