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I think what you mean is "and still no new Macs". There is plenty of evidence that Apple is investing in Macs; get out of the MacRumors negative vortex for a reality check.

If Apple were to spin off their Mac division it would be one of (if not THE) most profitable computer companies in the world. It is still big business. My suspicion is Apple has been burned by the hot mess that the Intel chip business has become as they are having a hard time predicting what processor they should be tooling their new Macs for. Waiting for Sky Lake, but Sky Lake turns out to be a mess. Then waiting for Kaby Lake, but Kaby Lake is late and potentially challenged with the same problems that have essentially broken Sky Lake. Sure takes me back to the IBM / Motorola G-series days and the whole reason Apple went Intel. Now Apple is being hosed by chip makers again. It is no wonder they are exploring the idea of making their own chips.

Go on.

What's wrong with Skylake?
 
Gee Joe Rossignol, why toss around the pejorative term 'poaching'?

Can you provide support on how Apple used unfair or clandestine practices to lure away talent? Try sticking to factual reports and leave conclusions to the readers. Amateurish move, Joe.
 
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This guy:

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People looking else were where there is uncertainty is normal, 25 people leaving from the same company with the same knowledge to the same company is "poaching" .
But just because the article boldly asserts: "Apple has been recruiting talent away from the company", that doesn't necessarily mean Apple took the initiative on all of them. It is entirely possible many of those former 25 employees of Imagination approached Apple, rather than the other way around, we don't know that with any degree of certainty.

It could be an attractive move up for them, so why shouldn't they apply at one of the leading tech companies out there when things are shaky at their current place of employment? I think we should be careful to draw conclusions.
 
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As an employee myself, nothing was better for my salary, benefits, and career than having companies compete for me.
Yep, it's just like how companies compete for consumers. People irrationally see something wrong with it because opponents* spin it like the companies are preying on them and give it a nasty name like "poaching." Also, some tech companies used to (or still?) argue that once you work for one, working for another would leak IP. It annoys me greatly.

* (companies who aren't paying their employees enough to prevent them from leaving)
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I keep seeing people suggest that Mac updates cannot happen because of obscure issues with Intel CPU or AMD GPU road maps/delivery schedules. I think its a bunch of nonsense of course, because...

Every other computer company seems to make up-to-date laptops, desktops, and workstations just fine.
This. Apple makes their excuses, but I can go build a Skylake PC whenever I want.
 
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I think what you mean is "and still no new Macs". There is plenty of evidence that Apple is investing in Macs; get out of the MacRumors negative vortex for a reality check.

If Apple were to spin off their Mac division it would be one of (if not THE) most profitable computer companies in the world. It is still big business. My suspicion is Apple has been burned by the hot mess that the Intel chip business has become as they are having a hard time predicting what processor they should be tooling their new Macs for. Waiting for Sky Lake, but Sky Lake turns out to be a mess. Then waiting for Kaby Lake, but Kaby Lake is late and potentially challenged with the same problems that have essentially broken Sky Lake. Sure takes me back to the IBM / Motorola G-series days and the whole reason Apple went Intel. Now Apple is being hosed by chip makers again. It is no wonder they are exploring the idea of making their own chips.

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Even if they did, it would be a logistical nightmare to rewrite everything for ARM chips.
Is this really true? Portable code written in C and such should be easily compilable on any CPU. But I don't know how much code is portable. I also don't know if ARM CPUs work with Nvidia and AMD GPUs (because I have no idea how GPUs work).
 
Is this really true? Portable code written in C and such should be easily compilable on any CPU. But I don't know how much code is portable. I also don't know if ARM CPUs work with Nvidia and AMD GPUs (because I have no idea how GPUs work).
In the case of Linux, it can be easily compiled to run on ARM processors. You're missing the bigger picture here. I wasn't talking about Apple only. I'm talking about hundreds of companies with their own software written to execute on an Intel or AMD processor in an OSX or Windows environment. It's a logistical nightmare to recompile assuming it's that easy as most software wasn't written with pure C or C++. Then you have bug testing and compatibility issues to deal with. You're going to have to convince a lot of companies working in very expensive industries, like film, to redo their software for your new processor arrangement. If security is on Apple's mind, we can expect to see a trickle down of Zen server processors that will soon incorporate an ARM processor within to do encryption on the fly and decrypt on the fly, even encrypting anything in memory. If Intel had a similar approach, I'm sure everyone will be happy.

When ARM first began making headway in 2009-2010, there were a lot of articles of how Intel and AMD would be knocked off within a few years, but to get industries to change and accept is costly and labor intensive. It won't happen anytime soon. You have logistics I mentioned above, you have compatibility and stability testing, you also have to make sure all new software performs like its original variant, etc. The reason ARM is so popular in mobile is because it generates less heat and is more efficient in a mobile format than a traditional mobile processor from the big 2 or a desktop processor would. Plus, they use less energy and thus outputs less heat.

Coincidentally, some software made by companies like Autodesk to work on Linux as well as OSX/macOS and Windows. Linux performance is a bit better than both of these depending on the setup.
 
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Hardware bugs.

There weren't any hardware bugs with the hardware itself.

Intel did **** up the original win10 drivers though for the Graphics, which caused a lot of crashes. However those drivers were fixed within a couple months.
 
There weren't any hardware bugs with the hardware itself.

Intel did **** up the original win10 drivers though for the Graphics, which caused a lot of crashes. However those drivers were fixed within a couple months.
If you're patching microcode, that looks like a hardware bug (not talking about the anti-overclocking patch).
 
What about the employees left behind that Apple does not want?

Do they benefit from the best leaving? If the company goes under in say 6 months and they loose the jobs , one could say that such practices actually do have adverse affects.
The "adverse affect" is usually a reality check of each employee's worth as a professional. If you work in tech, do not expect any security. You are working in one of the most dynamic industries in the world where you job security is your ability to get another job.
 
It's not "poaching" if Imagination was cutting jobs and people chose to leave. If a company I work for seems unstable, I'd look elsewhere too. Being blindsided by a layoff isn't in my game plan.

Right...:rolleyes:

Apple opens negotiations, gets insider information. The company ramps up in expectation of an acquisition.

Apple pulls out of negotiations, now the ramp up results in red ink for the target smaller company.

Apple poaches know-how it has gathered during the due diligence process, and since the small company is now bleeding red, Apple poaches its employees.

The small company can sue if it wants, of course, but Apple is well lawyered up and the small company doesn't have money for engineers..., less for lawyers.

Tim Cook and the rest of the gang do high fives and look for another brilliant acquisition like Beats....

Yep, the Beats acquisition was effectively Apple paying $3Billion for MOG, for which Beats paid $15 Million a few months earlier, and which is now now Apple Music and still sucks compared to the original MOG.

Oh, yeah, and there were some color headphones that Apple got, too, about which nobody really cares any longer....

Any other CEO would have been thrown out for making such a terrible business decision, but we all LOOOOVE Apple, no matter what, right?
 
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The "adverse affect" is usually a reality check of each employee's worth as a professional. If you work in tech, do not expect any security. You are working in one of the most dynamic industries in the world where you job security is your ability to get another job.

Depends on what area of tech, I work in software development, and business knowledge is key , understand industry and you have worth.
 
Interesting thread.

Just discovered this story when googling after hearing that John Metcalfe will head up the Imagination graphics business once Apple complete purchasing it.

Seems as though been going on a while.
 
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