Apple Posts New iOS-Based AppleTV Firmware

pmz

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The internet isn't a problem for me (I have gigabit ethernet going to a FIOS router with 25mbps internet). And I'm pretty sure component = RGB.

My TV has HDMI but I don't have the cable and the HDMI port broke somehow on it. We just got a new TV actually, but we still don't have the cable until I can find it.

And how is component better than RCA? I don't think there is a significant difference in quality, and everyone I know who has ever used RGB has ended up having one of the cables or ports not working (including my old TV which had non-working RGB ports). Not to mention I'm kinda short on those cables which I use for many other things.

Ooh, but wait, my new TV has composite input that I assume works. Finally! Now I just have to set it up :) if I have enough cables :confused:
Well you just opened yourself up for a tirade of explanations. Only one piece of advise for you:

1. Get an HDMI cable.

Period. You should never even have bought the AppleTV without having a HDMI cable to use. Its pointless without it.
 

newagemac

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Mar 31, 2010
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Actually we don't know how much storage it has. It has an operating system so it has to be stored on something. Plus since it streams content it probably has some type of storage available for a buffer.

The original iPhone had 4GB of storage and it worked with apps. Hell, I don't even have 4GB of apps on my iPhone 4 yet and I've downloaded a ton of apps over the years!


For the guy who is pissed off because of the HDMI please go to monoprice.com and buy an HDMI cable and quit wasting everybody's time. Monoprice sells them for less than $2 each. If you can't afford a two dollar cable then you don't need an HDTV at all.
 

nelmat

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Jul 10, 2008
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Why no backwards compatibility???

What am I susposed to do with my old Apple TV when the app store launches?

There should be a version of IOS for existing (and more expensive) apple TVs
Because the new version has a faster processor and works in a different way.

Your existing appleTV didn't just stop working, it still does what you bought it for. Keep it or sell it in answer to your question.
 

jonessodarally

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Oct 18, 2006
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TV on iPhone?

So, thinking out loud here, conceptually more than logically...

Would there be a possibility at some point of taking the TV interface and running it from a jailbroken iPhone with a video out cable attached?

So you could connect an iPhone to a television and run an TV version of iOS..

(I recognize that Apple would probably never allow this officially, and it might not even be possible, but it would be interesting).


I've got a 3G laying around (my backup for if something goes wrong with the new one).. it would be excellent to find a way to load the TV software onto that.

Any devs out there who could verify a yes/no on this?
 

Master Chief

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Now wait for iFixIt to disassemble it for you... to find out that I was right all the time. And I know because I have one already (just got home, back from China to get one). I'm excited and can't wait to open it :D
 

Play Ultimate

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Oct 13, 2005
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No App Store for Apple TV as no where to store the Apps, no hard drive or internal storage!
To be honest, I would be surprised if there was "no" storage. It would seem there have to be some amount to deal with buffering etc for streaming. Considering that the 300+ apps I've downloaded take up less than 4GB of space, it would not be beyond possible that it has 4GB of internal RAM. That amount of RAM is sufficient for limited Apps and streaming but not for long term media storage.
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edit: I see NewAgeMac already made my points.
I guess I should refresh before posting.
 

faroZ06

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Apr 3, 2009
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Well you just opened yourself up for a tirade of explanations. Only one piece of advise for you:

1. Get an HDMI cable.

Period. You should never even have bought the AppleTV without having a HDMI cable to use. Its pointless without it.
We're trying to find one. If we can't we'll buy one. If we're really lucky we'll find a Blu-Ray player w/ HDMI cable on clearance cheaper than the HDMi cable itsself...yeah that's unlikely :D
 

faroZ06

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Apr 3, 2009
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Wow RGB better than RCA? So many things wrong with that statement.

First, you mean Component, not RGB. Since Component is capable of HD video and RCA cables are not (they only do low resolution video), that is clearly much better and your statement is false.

Also, you couldn't have been more wrong with calling it RGB. Component videos actually use YPbPr color space, not RGB, it's basically a completely different method of pulling color data and should never be mixed up. The closest thing that actually uses the RGB color space is VGA cables, which actually use that as a signal. Similarly the less common SCART cables also use VGA signaling.

YPbPr != RGB

Though you probably just called it RGB because that is the color of the cables. Shows how you have no clue what you are talking about. If you are going to complain about the Apple TV's faults, at least have some basic knowledge of what video technology is.

Sigh.. why am I even bothering, you are just going to post something else that is equally clueless.
Dude, if you think component does not use RGB you have not tried anything for yourself. Notice how when you remove the red cable, red goes out. Same for the others. Notice how component to VGA converters only use a few cables, not actual processing. Notice how VGA cables sometimes drop red, green, or blue when damaged.

And WHY would component be HD if I plugged a component cable (green) into a standard RCA video port and got B&W video. Maybe we're talking about different cables here.
 

faroZ06

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Apr 3, 2009
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Wow RGB better than RCA? So many things wrong with that statement.

First, you mean Component, not RGB. Since Component is capable of HD video and RCA cables are not (they only do low resolution video), that is clearly much better and your statement is false.

Also, you couldn't have been more wrong with calling it RGB. Component videos actually use YPbPr color space, not RGB, it's basically a completely different method of pulling color data and should never be mixed up. The closest thing that actually uses the RGB color space is VGA cables, which actually use that as a signal. Similarly the less common SCART cables also use VGA signaling.

YPbPr != RGB

Though you probably just called it RGB because that is the color of the cables. Shows how you have no clue what you are talking about. If you are going to complain about the Apple TV's faults, at least have some basic knowledge of what video technology is.

Sigh.. why am I even bothering, you are just going to post something else that is equally clueless.
HA
Wikipedia:
The various RGB (red, green, blue) analog component video standards (e.g., RGBS, RGBHV, RG&SB) use no compression and impose no real limit on color depth or resolution, but require large bandwidth to carry the signal and contain much redundant data since each channel typically includes the same black and white image. Most modern computers offer this signal via the VGA port. Many televisions, especially in Europe, utilize RGB via the SCART connector. All arcade games, excepting early vector and black and white games, use RGB monitors.
Analog RGB is slowly falling out of favor as computers obtain better clarity using digital video (DVI) and home theater moves towards HDMI. Analog RGB has been largely ignored, despite its quality and suitability, as it cannot easily be made to support digital rights management. RGB was never popular in North America for consumer electronics as S-Video was considered sufficient for consumer use, although RGB was used extensively in commercial, professional and high-end installations.
 

faroZ06

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Apr 3, 2009
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Well you just opened yourself up for a tirade of explanations. Only one piece of advise for you:

1. Get an HDMI cable.

Period. You should never even have bought the AppleTV without having a HDMI cable to use. Its pointless without it.
We had a cable but it got lost :mad:
Not to mention the HDMI and component ports on my stupid TV broke, but we just got a new one...
So now we need the HDMI cable unless I want to use component (which is probably one of the most annoying things ever--sheesh, 3 cables?!)

Watch me get banned for double posting.
 

faroZ06

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Apr 3, 2009
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So...

Anyone have an answer to my question? Does this new OS run on an ARM processor? Does the new ATV have an ARM processor? Is that why I can't use it on the old ATV?

Actually the first two questions are the same thing unless Apple decides to be really stupid :D

Because the only responces I have are people complaining that I don't like *ahem* "component".
 

chenks

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Oct 23, 2007
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has anyone been able to use this ipsw file to restore the new appletv?

i tried it in itunes, and when i told it to use the ipsw file, it still referred to v4.0 even though the file is named 4.1.

eventually near the end of the restore process, itunes came back with an error, and the appletv was still on 4.0 after a reboot.
 

chenks

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Oct 23, 2007
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OK update... managed to get the ipsw restored on to the appletv, and it's still v4.0 and not v4.1 as the filename suggests.
 
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