Intel claims Ivy Bridge uses 20% less power. The retina screen in the iPad 3 increased power draw for the screen alone by 300%. A retina screen would still hammer battery life in a 15" MBP without increased battery size and weight.
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Apple Predicted to Discontinue 17-Inch MacBook Pro
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Intel claims Ivy Bridge uses 20% less power. The retina screen in the iPad 3 increased power draw for the screen alone by 300%. A retina screen would still hammer battery life in a 15" MBP without increased battery size and weight.
I have carried my 17" MBP wherever I go for years now. It's not heavy, and I have a reasonably slim bag so not bulky.
15" MBP does not come close to being as useful as the 17" if you're doing any coding etc. If they discontinue the 17" MBP the only real option for developers would be an iMac or a PC (but then no more ObjC dev).
Why are folks so worried about others' having to carry a "huge" 17" MBP and that it is not portable enough? If your critique of the 17"MBP lies mainly in your own vision of how YOU use your tech, or how others "should" use devices, you're missing the point. I feel like there are a ton of lifestyle consultants at work.
I do not use a truck, do not need one for my job. I have friends who have to have one. If Ford etc. stopped making them, they'd switch brands. Here, Apple is not eliminating notebooks if the rumor is true, but they are winnowing down options for pro users. With the MP silence and death rumors, just upsetting for pro users who frankly carried Apple before they hit the consumer gold mine with the iPod, then iPhone and iPad....
I do not use a truck, do not need one for my job. I have friends who have to have one. If Ford etc. stopped making them, they'd switch brands. Here, Apple is not eliminating notebooks if the rumor is true, but they are winnowing down options for pro users. With the MP silence and death rumors, just upsetting for pro users who frankly carried Apple before they hit the consumer gold mine with the iPod, then iPhone and iPad....
I know people generally hate car metaphors here, but isn't there a good reason to keep a high-end marquee product in the line-up just for the sake of prestige and/or as a cutting-edge platform to introduce and mainstream new performance technologies?
Now I understand that the 17" has been much more the former for Apple than the latter, but it would make sense to me for the company to use their premium-priced 17" model as a portable performance powerhouse.
I am thinking of the Porsche 959, which was so complex and elaborate that, if I'm not mistaken, Porsche actually lost money on every one they sold. And they sold very few, obviously, given the sticker price. But it served the purposes of a) being a research platform for performance innovations and b) a publicity machine and overall brand enhancer.
With market cap heading towards the $ trillion mark, does Apple really need to drop the 17"? Where's the fire?
Now I understand that the 17" has been much more the former for Apple than the latter, but it would make sense to me for the company to use their premium-priced 17" model as a portable performance powerhouse.
I am thinking of the Porsche 959, which was so complex and elaborate that, if I'm not mistaken, Porsche actually lost money on every one they sold. And they sold very few, obviously, given the sticker price. But it served the purposes of a) being a research platform for performance innovations and b) a publicity machine and overall brand enhancer.
With market cap heading towards the $ trillion mark, does Apple really need to drop the 17"? Where's the fire?
If you're saying that you can't code on a 15" (or 13", for that matter) screen, then you're being beyond ridiculous.
Well, not exactly. Most creative pros do not put a premium on portability. Footprint is a different issue and I don't know any that don't prefer compact tools because not every workspace is limitless. It's why the 17" is a poor seller. They'll schlep whatever equipment is necessary to get the job done with a professional look. They don't sacrifice and just bring a 17" MBP b/c its easier than a 15" and two 30" monitors.
OK. It works for you. It's a nice anecdotal story. But there are not many "you" out there judging declining sales numbers. The 17" is a handful, always has been. But for many years it was the only way to get a "portable" with a halfway decent video card and desktop equiv proc. But that isn't the case anymore and buyers have taken note. Apple would be completely justified killing off the 17" based on profitability. Don't blame Apple, blame all the former 17" buyers that found a better way.
I know this is Mac Rumors and all but it still amazes me how people can get so worked up over a RUMOR. This is one analyst predicting something based on estimated weak sales. Let's wait and see if we get any hints about Macs from Tim Cook tomorrow in the earnings call.
My opinion is that Apple realise that, in 2012, they could take a hit on the "Pro" market and it would barely affect their bottom line.
Let's be honest here, the majority of Apple's sales are now very consumer - iPhone, iPad, apps, iTunes etc.
I think Apple have realised that maintaining the Mac Pro, 17" MBP is just not cost effective enough.
And, to be fair, they have a point. The "Pro" market is very vocal, but much smaller than you'd believe. Most Pro users I know - me included - use a 15" MBP.
The laptop lineup does seem to be rather confused at the moment. I am in no doubt whatsoever that the future of apple laptops is the air form factor - but only once SSD's are big enough.
Its the only thing stopping me buying one - but its that huge of a limitation that I have no choice not to. - not apples fault but it will come with time.
Apple will not drop the 17" as long as its not loosing money - They would be stupid to allow the enterprise market to go to competitors.
This time next year I see the product range as practically the same - just a revised form factor MPB and bigger capacity MBA's.
Its the only thing stopping me buying one - but its that huge of a limitation that I have no choice not to. - not apples fault but it will come with time.
Apple will not drop the 17" as long as its not loosing money - They would be stupid to allow the enterprise market to go to competitors.
This time next year I see the product range as practically the same - just a revised form factor MPB and bigger capacity MBA's.
You make it sound as though were developers forced to work on a slightly smaller screen, they would suddenly be rendered incapable of any real output...
Personally, unless I drive, I cannot envision myself lugging anything heavier than a 13' MBP around with me, and that would already be considered fairly bulky and cumbersome for me.
I'm not disputing the numbers, I'm disputing your flawed analysis of the reason behind the numbers based on a weight difference of 18% and a width difference of 8% somehow making it impossible for people to use as a portable computer. Size and weight may have a small bearing on it, but the huge price premium is a far more likely reason.
Speaking for myself personally, I'm not a fan of the tapered design of the MBA. I think the MacBook Pro not only looks better, but is in no way too big or cumbersome. If you want to slim it down without tapering that's fine, but I can't stand the slimmer in the front fatter in the back approach. It's ugly and not up to Apple's standards if you ask me.
So the economy is strong enough to support all the people who are paying at least $700 more for a 17-inch than a 15-inch.
First they came for xserve, and I did not speak up because I didn't use xserve.
Then they came for the unibody Mac Pro, and I did not speak up because I didn't use it
Then they came for the 17' Mac Book Pro, and I did not speak up because I didn't use it
And then they came for the Mac, and there was no one left to speak up.
Notice: the above was pure satire. Please do not take it as being serious.
Then they came for the unibody Mac Pro, and I did not speak up because I didn't use it
Then they came for the 17' Mac Book Pro, and I did not speak up because I didn't use it
And then they came for the Mac, and there was no one left to speak up.
Notice: the above was pure satire. Please do not take it as being serious.
It's just a prediction
I simply don't think apple will cancel the 17 inch line. It still have a marketplace and it's the only apple computer that delivers both good display,high configurations and it's movable.so,rumors are rumors...
Planning to buy a 17' MBP
I simply don't think apple will cancel the 17 inch line. It still have a marketplace and it's the only apple computer that delivers both good display,high configurations and it's movable.so,rumors are rumors...
Planning to buy a 17' MBP
To those saying bye bye to the pro market. Most "pros" wouldn't buy a 17" mbp. Its intended to be a desktop replacement while still having the option to be mobile. Most pros (or at least the creative professionals I know) own a 15" plus a high end iMac or Mac Pro. It would be pretty tough to satisfy a professional workflow with only a MBP and if you own a desktop you are more than likely going to want a laptop with a little more mobility. Just my 2 cents. Also Mac Pros are out of stock at almost every store in the nation right now. Either an update is coming, or they are getting the axe without warning. We'll see Tuesday I guess.
I think the footprint changes but there will be a 17" MBP.
I believe Apple simply puts a 17" LCD in a 15" MBP case. I also believe the other MacBooks can all change towards a similar concept.
Envision, the 11" MBA shell with a 13" LCD in it. The 13" MBA gets a 15" LCD and so on...
Eliminate the bezels, and improve the whole line. Reduce the weight of having a 17" LCD in an MBP. Consumers will carry around what looks like a 15" MBP/MBA but it will have a 17" LCD in it.
I am surprised this didn't happen earlier, and I fully expect it this year.
I believe Apple simply puts a 17" LCD in a 15" MBP case. I also believe the other MacBooks can all change towards a similar concept.
Envision, the 11" MBA shell with a 13" LCD in it. The 13" MBA gets a 15" LCD and so on...
Eliminate the bezels, and improve the whole line. Reduce the weight of having a 17" LCD in an MBP. Consumers will carry around what looks like a 15" MBP/MBA but it will have a 17" LCD in it.
I am surprised this didn't happen earlier, and I fully expect it this year.
Lol. True. Though there did used to be someone who lugged a G5 iMac to my local Starbucks. I used to see him a lot, but not so much of late. Perhaps a MBP 17 would have been a good idea for him!
