Apple Promotes Microsoft Office 365 as iPad Pro 'Accessory'

[ipedro]

iPad as a PC replacement is utterly nonsense.

Not everybody fits in that category but many do. Maybe even most. People who have an old PC lying around to do email and browse the web are far better off getting an iPad to do those things and expand their capabilities with the richness of the app store.

I was skeptical but got an iPad Pro (12.9 inch) as complimentary to my photo editing in Lightroom and the iPad Pro and Lightroom mobile ended up completely replacing the majority of the use of my iMac for work. It's fantastic!

 

[Works4Me]

Not everybody fits in that category but many do. Maybe even most. People who have an old PC lying around to do email and browse the web are far better off getting an iPad to do those things and expand their capabilities with the richness of the app store.

I was skeptical but got an iPad Pro (12.9 inch) as complimentary to my photo editing in Lightroom and the iPad Pro and Lightroom mobile ended up completely replacing the majority of the use of my iMac for work. It's fantastic!

That's great if you don't work primarily with RAW photos, but I do, so I'd be much better off with a laptop...

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Not everybody fits in that category but many do. Maybe even most. People who have an old PC lying around to do email and browse the web are far better off getting an iPad to do those things and expand their capabilities with the richness of the app store.

I was skeptical but got an iPad Pro (12.9 inch) as complimentary to my photo editing in Lightroom and the iPad Pro and Lightroom mobile ended up completely replacing the majority of the use of my iMac for work. It's fantastic!

True for many. I was overstating to make a point and that is more about the way Apples executives are trying to push the iPad down our throats as a laptop or desktop replacement then the actual device itself.

My fear is about the future of the Mac. I wish it to be long and bright.

 

[ipedro]

That's great if you don't work primarily with RAW photos, but I do, so I'd be much better off with a laptop...

I work exclusively with RAW photos. Lightroom for Mac uploads the RAW files to the Adobe Cloud and I edit them on my iPad Pro. Works flawlessly.

It's almost too good to be true. I've been expecting something to eventually go wrong with this "experiment" sooner or later and have to go back to my Mac workflow but I've already gone through multiple clients over 3 months. At this point, I can conclude the experiment to have been a success because I haven't edited in Lightroom on my Mac for as long as I've owned the iPad Pro.

My iPad Pro has effectively replaced my "PC" and I'm a professional with professional demands and requirements. Not saying it'll work for every profession but for me as a photographer, it's a revelation.
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My fear is about the future of the Mac. I wish it to be long and bright.

I tend to look at things from Apple's perspective not from what customers 'want'. I often remember Steve Jobs' quote about if Henry Ford asked people what they wanted, they would have said they want a faster horse.

The future of the Mac is bleak. There's no denying it. It's not what we as a generation raised on personal computers want. It's what Apple as a company sees the current generation born tapping on slabs of glass will want to work on. I know few (none) young children who choose to use a traditional PC/Mac over an iPad or iPhone.

If I (36 years old) can not only adapt but thrive working on an iPad Pro, you can bet any money that the current generation entering the workforce in the next 5 years will be experts in working on a tablet.

I expect that the iPad Pro will continue gaining power features and that 3rd parties and internal company devs will develop ever more powerful professional apps. IBM's partnership with Apple is focused precisely on that!

Apple might reveal an even bigger iPad meant to be used on a desk for professions like architects or engineers who need large work surfaces. Maybe the next generation iMac will have an articulated arm to lay it near the table for touch use. Perhaps the next Apple Displays will be designed specifically to work with iPads as a second screen. I already work with my iPad Pro in my lap on the couch with my AppleTV connected 4K tv serving as a large screen that my clients can follow along on.

Eventually the Mac will run out of modern advantages over an iPad and fewer and fewer people will choose to work on them. Those who remain will do it out of nostalgia like the Command Line stragglers who still exist today, decades after the GUI overtook it. Macs might still be made for a while but the range will be constrained year after year until maybe only an iMac or MacBook remains relegated to a single shelf in the Apple Store like the once mighty iPod is today.

 

[Tubamajuba]

It took reading your comment before I found one that both made sense and that I agreed with. Desktop computers have a function. Laptops have a slightly different function and the tablet have their own function. The reality is that a few years back, it did not matter what your needs were since there was only one answer -- the desktop. Now people have choices they can make based on their use and lifestyle. What the geeks/nerds here fail to understand is that very few people need the power and ability of the desktop. Millennials especially value cloud based everything and simply need a device to access the cloud. They are connected 24/7 so having bulk hard drives to store everything is just not needed. I put a keyboard case on my ipad and do not miss the mouse at all.

People need to be open to use cases other than their own -- they exist.

Exactly! The Surface Pro meets a different set of the needs than the 12.9" iPad Pro, which meets a different set of needs than the "regular" and mini iPads, and all of those products are very different than a plain old laptop.

It's great to have all these choices!

 

[oldmacs]

I find it somewhat ironic that they touted green initiatives and their long-lasting products, but then made fun of the fact that people are re-using or continuing to use their device for a long time.

My thoughts exactly. Those people with 5 year old PCs are helping the environment by making tech last the longest possible time. A PC will get support for much longer than the environment and if its made with green materials and is relatively low on the power consumption, is probably more environmentally friendly than having to buy a new iPad every 4 years.

 

[Piggie]

600 million 5+ year old PC's

So, can these PC's that are (apparently sad, according to Apple) do more than the new iPad Pro?
If no, then there would be no reason to change them would there?

Actually MY PC is, technically 5 years old right now!
A Intel i7 Sandybridge 2600K, with 16GB Ram, and an Nvidia GTX Graphics card (though I have upgraded the graphics card a couple of years ago)

Perhaps my PC is sad, and I should "Upgrade" to a iPad Pro and get "Up to date" ?

Yeah?

 

[Chupa Chupa]

What "Current ports" is it missing? It's got USB 3, the latest standard, Thunderbolt 2 (not the latest which started shipping in Dec15). What else is there?

Yes they may need more of them but for most they work very well. I can count on 2 fingers the # of times I needed more than 2 that my MBA has.

USB 3? My 2012 rMBP retina has that too. That's my point. Where is the USB-C? The USB 3.1? The TB3? We are talking about laptops that have Mid $1K to Mid $2K. Does it makes sense to you that the MB has USB-C and USB 3.1 but the MBP does not -- for an entire year -- when many PC laptops have incorporated them already... and TB3? A flagship product should offer the best tech has to offer. That is why it's the flagship. It's also why it's most suitable for "pro."

 

[LovingTeddy]

I can't believe how much they're riding that. It's simply not true. PC's are known for being open systems, yet I can't do anything with my iPad that Apple doesn't allow.

Apple's iMacs and laptops are PC replacements.

Last time I check Macs are still PCs... How would Mac replace themselves?
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I work exclusively with RAW photos. Lightroom for Mac uploads the RAW files to the Adobe Cloud and I edit them on my iPad Pro. Works flawlessly.

It's almost too good to be true. I've been expecting something to eventually go wrong with this "experiment" sooner or later and have to go back to my Mac workflow but I've already gone through multiple clients over 3 months. At this point, I can conclude the experiment to have been a success because I haven't edited in Lightroom on my Mac for as long as I've owned the iPad Pro.

My iPad Pro has effectively replaced my "PC" and I'm a professional with professional demands and requirements. Not saying it'll work for every profession but for me as a photographer, it's a revelation.
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I tend to look at things from Apple's perspective not from what customers 'want'. I often remember Steve Jobs' quote about if Henry Ford asked people what they wanted, they would have said they want a faster horse.

The future of the Mac is bleak. There's no denying it. It's not what we as a generation raised on personal computers want. It's what Apple as a company sees the current generation born tapping on slabs of glass will want to work on. I know few (none) young children who choose to use a traditional PC/Mac over an iPad or iPhone.

If I (36 years old) can not only adapt but thrive working on an iPad Pro, you can bet any money that the current generation entering the workforce in the next 5 years will be experts in working on a tablet.

I expect that the iPad Pro will continue gaining power features and that 3rd parties and internal company devs will develop ever more powerful professional apps. IBM's partnership with Apple is focused precisely on that!

Apple might reveal an even bigger iPad meant to be used on a desk for professions like architects or engineers who need large work surfaces. Maybe the next generation iMac will have an articulated arm to lay it near the table for touch use. Perhaps the next Apple Displays will be designed specifically to work with iPads as a second screen. I already work with my iPad Pro in my lap on the couch with my AppleTV connected 4K tv serving as a large screen that my clients can follow along on.

Eventually the Mac will run out of modern advantages over an iPad and fewer and fewer people will choose to work on them. Those who remain will do it out of nostalgia like the Command Line stragglers who still exist today, decades after the GUI overtook it. Macs might still be made for a while but the range will be constrained year after year until maybe only an iMac or MacBook remains relegated to a single shelf in the Apple Store like the once mighty iPod is today.

So you still need to use Mac for uploading RAW photo? If yes, then your iPad Pro has not replace your Mac yet.

As long as iPad Pro using iOS... There is no chance it will replace PC...
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Not everybody fits in that category but many do. Maybe even most. People who have an old PC lying around to do email and browse the web are far better off getting an iPad to do those things and expand their capabilities with the richness of the app store.

I was skeptical but got an iPad Pro (12.9 inch) as complimentary to my photo editing in Lightroom and the iPad Pro and Lightroom mobile ended up completely replacing the majority of the use of my iMac for work. It's fantastic!

You are over simplied. Let's see that following:

I took bunch of pictures during my trip via by cellphone (let's see iPhone or Android). I need sent them to my friend. Rather send one by one, I will zip all the photo and sent through my email.

What is the work flow on PC? I plug in my Phone to PC, import to local drive, then choose all pictures then zip it. Now I fire up Chrome or whatever the browser, open up my email and send.

What is the work flow in iPad? I need sent all my file to cloud storage (or I shell out 45 dollars for the stupid lighting to USB adapter). Wait for the photo uploaded to cloud then redo load to the iPad or wait for transfer complete via adaptor. Then I open photo, choose photo one by one (if I have 100 photo, it takes 2 seconds to highlight all photos using mouse, it takes minutes to choose photos one by one on iPads). After I choose all my photo, I will need to choose share and find the app that allows me zip all photo. You'd better pray that your app will show up on the share sheet. Then I jump to the app, zip the photos, then choose share, find mail app then send.

Let's say the zipped file is too big, I need do 3 parts zip. Will you do it faster on PC or Mac?

iPad is more less productive than PC, even for most basic users.

 

[mw360]

You are over simplied. Let's see that following:

I took bunch of pictures during my trip via by cellphone (let's see iPhone or Android). I need sent them to my friend. Rather send one by one, I will zip all the photo and sent through my email.

What is the work flow on PC? I plug in my Phone to PC, import to local drive, then choose all pictures then zip it. Now I fire up Chrome or whatever the browser, open up my email and send.

What is the work flow in iPad? I need sent all my file to cloud storage (or I shell out 45 dollars for the stupid lighting to USB adapter). Wait for the photo uploaded to cloud then redo load to the iPad or wait for transfer complete via adaptor. Then I open photo, choose photo one by one (if I have 100 photo, it takes 2 seconds to highlight all photos using mouse, it takes minutes to choose photos one by one on iPads). After I choose all my photo, I will need to choose share and find the app that allows me zip all photo. You'd better pray that your app will show up on the share sheet. Then I jump to the app, zip the photos, then choose share, find mail app then send.

Let's say the zipped file is too big, I need do 3 parts zip. Will you do it faster on PC or Mac?

iPad is more less productive than PC, even for most basic users.

On your phone or iPad:
Open Photos
Make shared album
Enter recipient Email address
Add photos (1 click adds whole day's photos)
Done.

Takes seconds.

No waiting for uploads, no cables, no zipping, no deciding where to save the zip file, no having to browse to find it again to attach it, no having to remember to delete it afterwards, no stuffing up your friends email account with 100 photos in an email, no stuffing up your own sent items, no unzipping at the other end, no organising the unzipped files. No file browser, no zipping app, no web browser, no email client.

Get over the legacy concepts and thing will be easier.

What happens when you later realise you want to send those 100 photos to somebody else's? Oops, browse, select, zip, web-browse, login, new email, attach, send, wait for upload, delete zip file.

Yeah, that's much easier than:

Photos, shared album, add recipient.

 

[LovingTeddy]

On your phone or iPad:
Open Photos
Make shared album
Enter recipient Email address
Add photos (1 click adds whole day's photos)
Done.

Takes seconds.

No waiting for uploads, no cables, no zipping, no deciding where to save the zip file, no having to browse to find it again to attach it, no having to remember to delete it afterwards, no stuffing up your friends email account with 100 photos in an email, no stuffing up your own sent items, no unzipping at the other end, no organising the unzipped files. No file browser, no zipping app, no web browser, no email client.

Get over the legacy concepts and thing will be easier.

What happens when you later realise you want to send those 100 photos to somebody else's? Oops, browse, select, zip, web-browse, login, new email, attach, send, wait for upload, delete zip file.

Yeah, that's much easier than:

Photos, shared album, add recipient.

Make a shares album... Except if the person who receives the album has no iOS devices...

I tested out: this method requires you have iPhone or Mac with Photos app. If I have to email to someone with Windows, Android, what do I do?

Also, you seems to assume that I am using iPhone to take photo. What happens when I take photo using my Android phone? Or DSLR?


And if I sent to wrong person? I just resend the zip file. I will save the zip file to my local hard drive (12TB 4x3TB drive on my desktop with Windows 10, oh good luck with putting that much storage on your Mac).


File manger is way more efficient way to manage all your files. No more need to remember which app I used to save that damn file. No more hunt around just to save that stupid document. No more go around just to send bunch of files. I hate iOS in terms of file mangement. It is just a nightmare.

You cannot open shared album on Windows... Opps...

 

[ipedro]

You are over simplied. Let's see that following:

I took bunch of pictures during my trip via by cellphone (let's see iPhone or Android). I need sent them to my friend. Rather send one by one, I will zip all the photo and sent through my email.

What is the work flow on PC? I plug in my Phone to PC, import to local drive, then choose all pictures then zip it. Now I fire up Chrome or whatever the browser, open up my email and send.

What is the work flow in iPad? I need sent all my file to cloud storage (or I shell out 45 dollars for the stupid lighting to USB adapter). Wait for the photo uploaded to cloud then redo load to the iPad or wait for transfer complete via adaptor. Then I open photo, choose photo one by one (if I have 100 photo, it takes 2 seconds to highlight all photos using mouse, it takes minutes to choose photos one by one on iPads). After I choose all my photo, I will need to choose share and find the app that allows me zip all photo. You'd better pray that your app will show up on the share sheet. Then I jump to the app, zip the photos, then choose share, find mail app then send.

Let's say the zipped file is too big, I need do 3 parts zip. Will you do it faster on PC or Mac?

iPad is more less productive than PC, even for most basic users.

And you are over complicating. Stop thinking about iPads in legacy workflows. New workflows specifically designed for cloud devices can accomplish the same goals without going through the steps you needed to do with a PC.

Want to send a bunch of photos to a friend? You can use the Photos app to share the photos with them directly or if you want to do it through email, just put them all in an email and send, even hundreds of photos. iOS has Mail Drop. The attachment size is 5GB and it's seamless. You don't have to zip anything up. Just send the photos and iOS will figure out the technical details. If your friend is with you, you can also AirDrop the photos to them on the spot. And of course, there is iMessage and tons of third party apps and cloud services that can accomplish the same thing.

I can't remember the last time I've had to zip photos to give to a client or anybody else. I've AirDropped photos to clients on site, used a professional service like SmugMug for organized galleries of photos and have on occasion sent large attachments with Mail Drop.

The issue with your scenario is that you're just trying to get a modern device to do something in the same way as you've always done it even though there's no good reason to do it that way. It's like someone insisting on sending a fax even though email can accomplish the same goal. "Oh your PC doesn't do fax? It'll never be able to replace what I use in my office".

 

[LovingTeddy]

And you are over complicating. Stop thinking about iPads in legacy workflows. New workflows specifically designed for cloud devices can accomplish the same goals without going through the steps you needed to do with a PC.

Want to send a bunch of photos to a friend? You can use the Photos app to share the photos with them directly or if you want to do it through email, just put them all in an email and send, even hundreds of photos. iOS has Mail Drop. The attachment size is 5GB and it's seamless. You don't have to zip anything up. Just send the photos and iOS will figure out the technical details. If your friend is with you, you can also AirDrop the photos to them on the spot. And of course, there is iMessage and tons of third party apps and cloud services that can accomplish the same thing.

I can't remember the last time I've had to zip photos to give to a client or anybody else. I've AirDropped photos to clients on site, used a professional service like SmugMug for organized galleries of photos and have on occasion sent large attachments with Mail Drop.

The issue with your scenario is that you're just trying to get a modern device to do something in the same way as you've always done it even though there's no good reason to do it that way. It's like someone insisting on sending a fax even though email can accomplish the same goal. "Oh your PC doesn't do fax? It'll never be able to replace what I use in my office".

I am sorry, I still not buy into cloud stuff. I still believe able to save locally is best way to do.

And sharing through iCloud failed apart when others have no iPhone or Mac as I posted above. MailDrop never worked for me, at least when I am using Mails app with my Gmail account, it never worked. And I am sorry, I am not using iCloud.

The worst case scenario is where you have to send a bunch of files to someone without any Apple products and not using iCloud at all. Your way fails 100% of time and old way success at 100% of time.

And iOS is still too limited compare with desktop OS and even Android. And I am sorry, I do not want to adjust myslef to certain OS, it should be the OS adjust to me. I just do not think iPad will ever replace PC.

By the way, you still need Mac to upload all the raw photos right?

 

[mw360]

I am sorry, I still not buy into cloud stuff. I still believe able to save locally is best way to do.

And sharing through iCloud failed apart when others have no iPhone or Mac as I posted above. MailDrop never worked for me, at least when I am using Mails app with my Gmail account, it never worked. And I am sorry, I am not using iCloud.

The worst case scenario is where you have to send a bunch of files to someone without any Apple products and not using iCloud at all. Your way fails 100% of time and old way success at 100% of time.

And iOS is still too limited compare with desktop OS and even Android. And I am sorry, I do not want to adjust myslef to certain OS, it should be the OS adjust to me. I just do not think iPad will ever replace PC.

By the way, you still need Mac to upload all the raw photos right?

Okay, yeah, if you need to send an email to someone still in 2003 you'll need 2003 workflows.

But, iCloud works on Windows 7, and no you do not need a Mac to upload all the photos you took on your phone (your example). They upload as soon as you take them.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Okay, yeah, if you need to send an email to someone still in 2003 you'll need 2003 workflows.

But, iCloud works on Windows 7, and no you do not need a Mac to upload all the photos you took on your phone (your example). They upload as soon as you take them.

So anyone without Apple's product is in 2003? Right? Which planet are u living in? Last time I check iPhone and Mac aren't have biggest marketshare.

I am out if iOS and using Android and Windows only. And no.. iCloud photosharing does not work on other platforms.

 

[mw360]

So anyone without Apple's product is in 2003? Right? Which planet are u living in? Last time I check iPhone and Mac aren't have biggest marketshare.

I am out if iOS and using Android and Windows only. And no.. iCloud photosharing does not work on other platforms.

Okay, excuse the snark, but when it comes to sharing photos, there are many different ways, and sending 100s of MBs of zip files is pretty clunky compared to what some of us are doing with much greater ease and without the need of a PC.

 

[Freyqq]

Actually the progress has slowed down. Computers from 2011 and 2016 are not much different when it comes to performance. Areas which have progressed a lot are storage and graphics. I'll address these:
1. You can buy and install SSD
2. Apple has never offered good GPUs

I'd bet a lot, that 90% of people could use 2011 iMac with SSD and see no difference in performance.

The difference between 2011 and 2016 is still pretty big, but Intel has been focusing more on power efficiency than raw speed. Laptops are much thinner now and have better battery life because of this.

 

[RedOrchestra]

It's a sad, sad commentary that Apple hasn't the ability to make their own iWork Suite iOS / OSX compatible - the iOS suite lacks so much of what the OSX has - downright pathetic.