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Apple Pulls iOS 16.5.1 and macOS 13.4.1 Rapid Security Response Updates Due to Safari Bug

DougieS said:
What about Meta’s poor QA that caused this issue? If they used user agents properly, then this update wouldn’t have been seen to cause issues. It just highlighted bad design by other companies in order to “save time”.
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Sure, but I don't use Meta so I can only complain about the company I use.
 
OhMyMy said:
You’re too condescending for someone who’s totally unaware of a thing about software development. It’s not a good look.
RSRs didn’t exist before last year and only started going out to the actual public a couple months ago. There’s still some refinement needed and it may take awhile when there’s a lot of tech that needs to work together. The primary focus is on security patches and odds are while low something may break. And the rapid part refers to the installation time for one update and it was rapid for me as I don’t use anything Fb. QA at Apple isn’t what it used to be back in the day but regardless no software is perfect and is still much better compared to the competition.
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I get that software dev is hard and so are a lot of things in this world, but you can't just use that tired old excuse every time Apple screws up an update. I'm just tired of Apple's crappy QA. Also, I believe the RSR update that was issued several months ago had an issue too.
 
OhMyMy said:
QA at Apple isn’t what it used to be back in the day but regardless no software is perfect and is still much better compared to the competition.
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I think the update experience with Linux (I am using Debian and Suse) is much better than with Apple products. Especially my Apple Watch needs a lot of persuasion before installing an update.

But yes, I prefer the macOS GUI to any GUI available on Linux.
 
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doboy said:
I get that software dev is hard and so are a lot of things in this world, but you can't just use that tired old excuse every time Apple screws up an update. I'm just tired of Apple's crappy QA. Also, I believe the RSR update that was issued several months ago had an issue too.
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It’s not hard like bench pressing 180 where you can keep at it and get there with practice and persistence. It’s complicated in the sense that there are practically infinite configs with thousands of apps, devices and settings and getting it perfectly right would be nigh impossible irrespective of the team. Part of the reason why they’re changing their model by separating security fixes from the main code and even Google did something similar with Android a couple versions ago.
There’s a well known joke among sw devs, “I’d rather rewrite the whole code than debug it”. That pretty much sums up the difficulty.
 
OhMyMy said:
That’s the whole point of separating the security fixes from the OS. Quick design and delivery of security patches.
From your response it’s obvious that you’re just a typical user unaware of how software design works. So I suggest you educate yourself with the fundamentals before making statements like these.
These OS’ have grown quite a bit in complexity in recent years and mistakes do happen as a result. And rewriting the whole thing would take considerable resources and isn’t a viable option even for a company as big as Apple.
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The mistakes started piling up when Apple decided to release a major version every year. That was and still is a big mistake and has cost users a lot in decreased stability.
 
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OhMyMy said:
It’s not hard like bench pressing 180 where you can keep at it and get there with practice and persistence. It’s complicated in the sense that there are practically infinite configs with thousands of apps, devices and settings and getting it perfectly right would be nigh impossible irrespective of the team. Part of the reason why they’re changing their model by separating security fixes from the main code and even Google did something similar with Android a couple versions ago.
There’s a well known joke among sw devs, “I’d rather rewrite the whole code than debug it”. That pretty much sums up the difficulty.
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I understand what you're saying, but as an end user Apple blows and we should expect better when we pay so much for their crap. If I paid a fraction of what I pay for Apple products, I would be more forgiving.
 
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Will Co said:
Thinking about this, I'm not sure a withdrawal of the RSR is the right thing to do. I get it that millions of people who (sadly) still use Facebook et al will see compatibility warnings in their browser when visiting these sites after installing the RSR, but the problem here isn't with Apple, it's with the crappy parsing of user agent strings on those websites. Meanwhile, those of us who want the RSR and don't care about Facebook or whatever, now can't get that update. I've installed on macOS and iPadOS but I didn't install it on my phone in time. Now I have to wait until a new RSR is released because of a (knee-jerk?) reaction by Apple. Probably won't have to wait long, I know. But maybe give users a choice - tell them about the effect of the RSR and let them decide.
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I think you're way overestimating the average user's ability to understand such a thing. It's much easier to simply pull it to avoid a newscast-worthy level of drama and negative press and overwhelming their support staff.
 
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dumastudetto said:
I won’t be uninstalling a fix for an actively exploited security bug to workaround sloppy Meta website code.
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Not just Facebook properties but also Zoom. It is interesting that the list of affected apps is exactly the list of apps I won't allow on my Mac.

Zoom unfortunately is not something anyone uses by choice. This is just another example of how not great it is.
 
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Will Co said:
Thinking about this, I'm not sure a withdrawal of the RSR is the right thing to do. I get it that millions of people who (sadly) still use Facebook et al will see compatibility warnings in their browser when visiting these sites after installing the RSR, but the problem here isn't with Apple, it's with the crappy parsing of user agent strings on those websites. Meanwhile, those of us who want the RSR and don't care about Facebook or whatever, now can't get that update. I've installed on macOS and iPadOS but I didn't install it on my phone in time. Now I have to wait until a new RSR is released because of a (knee-jerk?) reaction by Apple. Probably won't have to wait long, I know. But maybe give users a choice - tell them about the effect of the RSR and let them decide.
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I sincerely wish we lived in this world. This will come down to the same thing every conflict between two giant corporations come down to. Users will simply blame whichever company they like less. They don't care or understand reasons.

And this conflict wasn't even on purpose. Usually it comes with an unhealthy dose of disinformation from both sides.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
Not just Facebook properties but also Zoom. It is interesting that the list of affected apps is exactly the list of apps I won't allow on my Mac.

Zoom unfortunately is not something anyone uses by choice. This is just another example of how not great it is.
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Facebook is back to normal this morning. Meta fixed things from their end apparently.
 
doboy said:
I understand what you're saying, but as an end user Apple blows and we should expect better when we pay so much for their crap. If I paid a fraction of what I pay for Apple products, I would be more forgiving.
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Now that I agree with.
 
It is not just Safari impacted but I was always able to drag a file to a particular app icon and the app would open and bring up the file. Now the app does absolutely nothing when a file is dragged over it. It only started after the security update. This continues.
 
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phrehdd said:
It is not just Safari impacted but I was always able to drag a file to a particular app icon and the app would open and bring up the file. Now the app does absolutely nothing when a file is dragged over it. It only started after the security update. This continues.
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Yeah, I used to be able to drag stuff from the finder to BBEdit on the sidebar. At some point that stopped working.
 
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So, all the Apple devices has to remain being "actively exploited" until they fix the issue and make the patch available again?
 
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