Apple Pushes Another Automatic Mac Software Update to Address Further Zoom-Related Vulnerabilities

[tywebb13]

A new MRT 1.47 is out

Links for those who need it:

For El Capitan to Mojave:
http://swcdn.apple.com/content/down...77b9bu94ypz28vrwuw57r/MRTConfigData_10_14.pkg

For Catalina:
http://swcdn.apple.com/content/down...pxhincnb878x65wlgjw0c/MRTConfigData_10_15.pkg

 

[LordVic]

You'd have a point if Microsoft did their updates correctly, but they don't. Who in their right mind thinks it's ok to force an update right when you're trying to shut down at the end of the day, or just as bad, when you're trying to get started in the morning? You don't force people to wait for your updates. You figure out a way to do them in the background, or you wait.

But it's no different than any OS.

iOS, you don't get the update till you restart. it's at the restart that it's applied. Same with OSx. Same with Android. Same with just about every OS. Just about every OS will need to reboot to apply critical kernel level updates.

 

[cwt2nospam]

But it's no different than any OS.

Bull. My Mac never forces me to wait while it updates. Neither does my iPhone.

You're twisting my words. Yes the update takes place after a restart, but that is only after I choose to do the update. Microsoft doesn't give me a choice. It happens when they decide, and that's usually when it's most inconvenient for me.

 

[LordVic]

Bull. My Mac never forces me to wait while it updates. Neither does my iPhone.

You're twisting my words. Yes the update takes place after a restart, but that is only after I choose to do the update. Microsoft doesn't give me a choice. It happens when they decide, and that's usually when it's most inconvenient for me.

When was the last time you used windows. Be honest.

Since last years major patch, if not since the start of win10, they have had something called "Active Hours". Windows will not even tell you about updates during those hours. It will only outside of those hours pop up and warn you first that a restart is needed. if no response after certain period of time, it will reboot to auto apply them for you.

I get more notifications in MacOS about updates needing a reboot than I do in windows. Neither are intrusive.

If your windows 10 computer is giving you annoying reboot popups and forced reboots, than you likely have changed the Active hour settings around and are actively using it during those times.

Did the behaviour you explain above happen in the past windows? Absolutely Windows 8 in particular was absolutely attrocious. It frequently would reboot while I was in a game! But repeating the issues of Win8 as if they automatically are true in Win10 is just silliness.

There ARE issues with Win10. I'm not trying to pump up win10 like some sort of paragon of OS's. But if we're going to talk about pros and cons of operating systems, inventing problems doesn't help the conversation.

 

[cwt2nospam]

When was the last time you used windows. Be honest.

OMG! I suffer through Windows 5 days a week, and once again, I'm not talking about notices to do an update. I'm talking about ending my day, wanting to shut down the Windows laptop and take it home so I can do some work, but being faced with a notice not to unplug because it's doing an update. That update being one that I was given NO option to refuse. Windows being Windows, I have no reason to believe it won't fail miserably if I do unplug it, so I have to choose between waiting and leaving the laptop at work.

Before you tell me about some hidden system setting (which I really hope you can) to stop this, note that the problem is that this is the default behavior.

 

[LordVic]

OMG! I suffer through Windows 5 days a week, and once again, I'm not talking about notices. I'm talking about ending my day, wanting to shut down the Windows laptop and take it home so I can do some work, but being faced with a notice not to unplug because it's doing an update. That update being one that I was given NO option to refuse. Windows being Windows, I have no reason to believe it won't fail miserably if I do unplug it, so I have to choose between waiting and leaving the laptop at work.

Before you tell me about some hidden system setting (which I really hope you can) to stop this, note that the problem is that this is the default behavior.

No it's not.

This is your work, corporate joined domain computer?

if so and you are encountering the need for updates virtually every time you reboot, than your workplace is trickling updates out to you slowly and off schedule. Windows Active Directory and deployment services give corporately joined devices the ability of controlling the update time and frequency, and hold status. If you are getting them that frequently, than I would engage your corporate helpdesk to check on the purpose of that, since normal practice is to hold patches, especially ones large enough to require reboots (most do not), and not releasing them in bulk on scheduled days.

Microsoft only releases their major updates on tuesdays. Bud patches and minor fixes get bundled into tuesday patches and only emergency critical flaws are more frequent.

Updates that do not require reboots may download and install daily (such as windows defender), but do not require reboots to install.

Unfortunately, Most people who have problems with windows, relate the problems they encounter with their corporate devices, which tend to have a heavy layer of corporate policy enforcement and controls. ANd I will openly admit, we are not always the most user friendly with those policies and roll out. However, it often does set an unreasonable expectation that how we control windows is also equal to your standard windows default behaviour. Often times, they are dramatically different.

I do however also question your necessity to shut down the computer at the end of the day. Windows 10's default behaviour for laptops is to go to sleep for 2 hours and then go to standbye/hibernate after to preserve long term battery usage. Do you shut off your mac everytime you walk away from it as well?

 

[cwt2nospam]

No it's not.

Yes, it is.

This is a laptop bought by a small business, probably off of Amazon, and there is no corporate network. It's just a LAN with about ten computers. Nobody's locked down.

This doesn't happen every time I shut it down, but it happens frequently enough. Really, once would be far too many times.

I shut down my Mac whenever I feel like it, and never have this issue. Generally, if I'm taking a laptop with me and don't expect to use it for more than an hour or two, I'll shut it down. That's really not relevant though, is it? I should be able to shut it down every half hour if I like, with no problem. No system update should ever block me. FULL STOP.

 

[Timemaster]

Yes, it is.

This is a laptop bought by a small business, probably off of Amazon, and there is no corporate network. It's just a LAN with about ten computers. Nobody's locked down.

This doesn't happen every time I shut it down, but it happens frequently enough. Really, once would be far too many times.

I shut down my Mac whenever I feel like it, and never have this issue. Generally, if I'm taking a laptop with me and don't expect to use it for more than an hour or two, I'll shut it down. That's really not relevant though, is it? I should be able to shut it down every half hour if I like, with no problem. No system update should ever block me. FULL STOP.

None of what you said goes against what looks like enterprise controls.
Even as a small business a lot of them use a 3rd party for the equipment management. For windows update it would be controlled the releases on Friday as it means they had 3 days to verify the updates do not break anything unexpected.

Microsoft only releases no critical updates on a Tuesday and generally first Tuesday of the month.

 

[cwt2nospam]

None of what you said goes against what looks like enterprise controls.

I've never seen a small business do that and leave everyone with admin rights. It just doesn't make sense.

Everything you've said leads to two possibilities:
1) Windows is the problem. This is highly likely.
2) Corporate IT is the main problem, and Windows is their tool for creating the problem.

Either way, Windows is a problem.

 

[LordVic]

Yes, it is.

This is a laptop bought by a small business, probably off of Amazon, and there is no corporate network. It's just a LAN with about ten computers. Nobody's locked down.

This doesn't happen every time I shut it down, but it happens frequently enough. Really, once would be far too many times.

I shut down my Mac whenever I feel like it, and never have this issue. Generally, if I'm taking a laptop with me and don't expect to use it for more than an hour or two, I'll shut it down. That's really not relevant though, is it? I should be able to shut it down every half hour if I like, with no problem. No system update should ever block me. FULL STOP.

As of v1803 at least, you are presented with multiple options on restart.

I just had an update, my start menu restart gave me the following options
"Update and Restart"
"Restart"
"Update and Shutdown"
"Shutdown"
"sleep"

again. you keep claiming something that hasn't been true in Windows for a very long while.
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I've never seen a small business do that and leave everyone with admin rights. It just doesn't make sense.

Everything you've said leads to two possibilities:
1) Windows is the problem. This is highly likely.
2) Corporate IT is the main problem, and Windows is their tool for creating the problem.

Either way, Windows is a problem.

basically, you don't know what you're talking about and insist on doubling down.

Actually, lets hold up for a minute and I think one assumption I've made is that you're on at least the latest, or 2nd latest version of Win10.

What is your version of Win10 that you are encountering these issues on? Go to "Settings" -> "System" -> "About". at the bottom of the page there will be a "windows specifications" section in which the Version will be there and installed date.

What are these two values?

 

[cwt2nospam]

I just had an update, my start menu restart gave me the following options

Well good for you! And since it wasn't terrible for you, it must be fine for everyone else, right? Wrong. Whenever I see "Update and Shutdown" there is no "Shutdown" option.

I'm sorry that you don't like the fact that Windows sucks, but it does, and I'm sure you don't like the fact that IT departments have poor reputations, but they do, because they've earned them. Partly by forcing Windows on everyone.

It's the weekend, so I can't tell what version of Windows is on a laptop I left at work, but that's not really relevant. The year is 2019, not 1999. This problem should not occur on any version of Windows sold in the last 20 years.

 

[LordVic]

Well good for you! And since it wasn't terrible for you, it must be fine for everyone else, right? Wrong. Whenever I see "Update and Shutdown" there is no "Shutdown" option.

I'm sorry that you don't like the fact that Windows sucks, but it does, and I'm sure you don't like the fact that IT departments have poor reputations, but they do, because they've earned them. Partly by forcing Windows on everyone.

It's the weekend, so I can't tell what version of Windows is on a laptop I left at work, but that's not really relevant. The year is 2019, not 1999. This problem should not occur on any version of Windows sold in the last 20 years.

I'ts 100% relevant as these are fixes implemented in the OS to address complaints that you are making.

These fixes have been in place for 2+ years.

So if you are still experiencing issues where you are not presented with those menu options on update, than it is likely your laptop is severely out of date. If this is the case, You need to be yelling at IT and asking why. you wouldn't run MacOS 2+ years out of date ina production environment. you wouldn't run Linux 2+ years out of date in a production environment.

the fact that you say it still keeps forcing you to update on regular reboots does NOT ADD UP. it shows a gross disconnect between reality.

I'm not tryin gto sway your mind on windows sucking or not. Everyone tends to get comfortable with a certain workflow and usage. they like where things are, and change is frustrating. I'ts one thing to say "i'm not a fan of windows because of these things", and it's another thing to say "windows sucks because" <Insert lie>

So unfortunately, you either have a gross, inconsistent issue with your computers management that has prevented your computer from being updated to latest versions, or you're lying about why you think windows sucks to assuage your own opinion.

I may not convince you otherwise. But the least we can do is let the rest of the board know that what you are saying is full of crap.

there are plenty of reasons to not like certain choices in windows. I hate the new settings. Control panel is far greater than the dumbed down inconsistent mess of "Settings". the additional clicks and lack of details in settings in compared to control panel makes for far more clicks than necessary to make administrative changes.

taking so long to fix certain update delivery mechanisism is a pain. from the admin side, constant documentation that doesn't match the windows/features is a massive microsoft problem. Having software that can't install because you installed other software is also a massive problem (can't use ISO installer for Visio if you use Office365... because reasons)

but simple fact that if you're sole basis of hating windows is the update experience you are claiming, which hasn't been true for 2+ years. There's something else going on.

but now I've said my piece, I know you're still going to double down. So have a nice life

 

[cwt2nospam]

I'ts 100% relevant as these are fixes implemented in the OS to address complaints that you are making.

These fixes have been in place for 2+ years.

So if you are still experiencing issues where you are not presented with those menu options on update, than it is likely your laptop is severely out of date. If this is the case, You need to be yelling at IT and asking why. you wouldn't run MacOS 2+ years out of date ina production environment. you wouldn't run Linux 2+ years out of date in a production environment.

Holy crap! Why don't you get the fact that I'm complaining about WINDOWS HAVING DONE UPDATES and STILL NOT FIXING THIS PROBLEM? Yes, I wouldn't run Mac OS 2+ years out of date because when I do a system update on the Mac, guess what happens: IT'S BROUGHT UP TO DATE!

BTW, there are many reasons to dislike Windows. I'm simply limiting the discussion to this one issue because I don't want to go off on a long tangent.

 

[Timemaster]

I've never seen a small business do that and leave everyone with admin rights. It just doesn't make sense.

Everything you've said leads to two possibilities:
1) Windows is the problem. This is highly likely.
2) Corporate IT is the main problem, and Windows is their tool for creating the problem.

Either way, Windows is a problem.

You have proven you don’t know what you are talking about.

I have had full admin rights on my machines for most of my career.
The first place I worked was a small company and everyone had full admin rights but full admin rights does not mean enterprise control. It just means admin rights. Our domains and users where still manage by IT and they could kill our accounts remotely. The biggest change was windows update was control by IT and was filtered by their services not by MS. That is easy for IT person to set up and plenty of 3rd party company’s to manage.


I don’t have an issue with you not liking windows but I do have an issue with poor and miss information which is what you have been spreading.

I personally don’t like using windows and have not use it all professionally for almost 2 years and stop using it daily professionally almost 5-6 years. I have not used it personally since 2015. Now my wife on the other hand hates OSX and macs. Her reasonings she sites are valid but she knows not to go in the bs area with me as I take offense to it as it pays my salary.
Why does she not like OS X and macs? Because it is not why she is used to using. Just like windows is not what you are used to using.

 

[cwt2nospam]

You have proven you don’t know what you are talking about.

You realize that you've merely described my second possibility, right? Reading comprehension is something you should work on.
BTW, I am, unfortunately, very used to using Windows. I wish that I were not.

 

[Timemaster]

You realize that you've merely described my second possibility, right? Reading comprehension is something you should work on.
BTW, I am, unfortunately, very used to using Windows. I wish that I were not.

I think I quoted the wrong guy. I meant to get the other one. It was a mess up of Tapatalk.

The other guy has zero clue. You have been more on point.

 

[foliovision]

Nobody has been up in arms about Adobe Reader/Acrobat, Google Chrome, Slack (non-app store client), Microsoft Teams, OneDrive (sync engine), Microsoft Windows (emergency/servicing stack updates, Defender antimalware definitions, Malicious Software Removal Tool). All of those push updates silently.

Actually many of us have been and won't use any of those programs or software from those vendors: Google, Slack, Microsoft are all on my black list.