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But it does load. IDK who other than spammers send emails that rely on remote content. If it's really a problem, they could auto-enable remote images for senders in your contacts or senders for whom you've allowed remote content before, similar to what iMessage does for URL previews.
Well, Best Buy and Target’s emails don’t load if I block remote images. I am sure many retailers do something similar. You might call that spam, but I suspect most people would disagree.
 
I like Apple about this security, privacy security is essential for users, no one is allowed to track them unless they give permission
 
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This is easily bypassed though by assigning a unique reference to any of the images. For example, your company logo could be domain.com/<guid>/logo.png, where guid is a reference in your backend database related to the email address you sent it to.
I think this sort of tracking was stopped years ago, first by gmail if I remember correctly. Gmail serves would recognize that the logo.png doesn't change and cache it for all subsequent gmail users.
 
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It would be nice if Apple provided proper spam filtering. So you never get the spam but once or twice a day you get a spam report and can release/whitelist any emails that were incorrectly identified as spam.
 
Number of opens isn't a good marketing metric any way. If your content is good people will click on the links in your email, and then you have your metrics on the other end.
 
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Very good. Apple goes all out for privacy. This is a very good reason to use Apple's mail app.
 
This really does virtually nothing to improve your privacy.

Tracking pixels are generally unique to the email. They don't care what IP address you open the email from - they care that they sent an email to an address, and it got opened. The person trying to snoop on you has still learned that yours is a valid email address that an actual human looks at and they've also learned what time that human looked at it.

This feature will download the tracking image independent of how and when you interacted with it. Even if you never open the email the picture is downloaded.

So it will look like you opened every email and you did it almost immediately which would be false for a lot of cases, thus reducing the value of such tracking.
 
Do the phrases "hidden" and "tracking" not bother you? I don't feel life is bettered by ad stalkers sucking our details for no reason other than greed. Too bad Nielsen, go back to letting people submit voluntary diaries. Too bad FB, stop feeding "customized" fake news. Why is it ok to allow businesses to do this and try to prevent governments from prying into our internal and private lives.
 
I’m not sure why there are people that were bashing Apple for this. Sure it might not be a perfect solution, but at least Apple is trying and doing something about it. Meanwhile the rest of tech companies are at the other side. Am I missing something here? Considering how technology has become integrated with our lives, I’m glad that there at least one company that is still trying to do something about privacy, in the climate where the rest are looking to get your data.

My only annoyance with Apple that they paired these features with OS upgrades. Why can’t they just update the mail.app so people who are stuck on older OSes (because Apple drop their hardware from support) can benefit?

No one is bashing that I see. This some of the more tamed debated I have seen that no one thinks this is "bad" (not enough, maybe). More like trying to interpret the vague language Apple uses (typical Apple marketing) and trying to figure out exactly what this does or does not do to make an informed decision to use this or remote image disable.

I’m not sure, but it seems like this feature makes it slightly harder for companies to track you but easier for scammers to determine that your email is valid & live. If Apple loads all content remotely behind the scenes then yes your IP address is hidden but a scammer will know that this email address is valid and live and continue to send junk. It seems like don’t load content + private relay is better than the mail protection.

Also I imagine most companies would use multiple tracking features. I.e. invisible tracking pixel plus personalised banner. And regardless of whether they do this, if every email looks like it was opened immediately because apple loaded it behind the scenes, when it is manually opened it will be easy to determine the email was read/opened by a human. If you then open any links manually will the IP address shown be different from web access as opposed to the email. If so wouldn’t this be easy to connect the dots and continue creating a profile, possibly connected to your real IP address unless you are also using private relay.

It seems like it would be better if content was blocked from automatically loading (I.e. current feature available) and if opened & content is manually loaded use private relay for added privacy.

Also we don’t know how often the IP address for mail protection & private relay changes. This would be important factor.

This feature will download the tracking image independent of how and when you interacted with it. Even if you never open the email the picture is downloaded.

So it will look like you opened every email and you did it almost immediately which would be false for a lot of cases, thus reducing the value of such tracking.

This is still part of my issue too. If you operate under the assumption that enough people actually use this, as it appears opt-in at least in beta, then sure it will help. How much who knows.

Apple mail is only about 50% of opens; so you are only talking 50% MAX if every user Apple users upgraes to the newest OS version and enables it. Which iOS14 is still not on 10% of devices released in the last 4 years, and then you have those older devices which can't upgrade. I dont know about Mac ad Pad.

So you are already down to 80-90% of possible iPhones alone to start. As mentioned it would have been better to separate the core apps and update the mail app through the App store to give it to all users regardless of iOS version. But alas...

If you dont have enough false positives (yet), they will just read it as opens until then. This strategy purely revolves round the advertiser getting a flurry of instant opens; enough to make to useless data. And that is at least months away still past public release and everyone using it.

Further, there is really nothing from unscrupulous spammers like that to just keep blasting you if you open; whether the opens are noise or not. It really "costs" them nothing as t is done in batch lists. They can't tell if it is a human or Apple open so they lose nothing to keep tryng.

I still personally believe the remote images disabling will give a better end effect. Most are not going to spend resources blasting people who never open their stuff; or auto-remove them from lists after one or a few tries and no open. That is not useful to them. Of course the above apples, they can still spam you, but most won't bother if you arent opening. You are useless to them.

But this is all a guess, honestly. It's been out a few days total. And right now there won't be enough people using this for 6-8 months (it wont even be out to the public in mass for 3) to get it on enough devices to cause a meaningful impact on the metrics.

For now Im just using the hide IP and disable remote images toggles on combined.
 
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Can someone clarify; if an invisible pixel is associated with my email address then what does it matter how many proxies it goes through? If that image is loaded they know it was my email address that did it. Is this literally just hiding my IP and nothing more?
Yes.

This article is incorrect in equating these.
 
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I struggle to see how this is better than disabling remote images still which does both- no open data, no data at all since it was never read.

I get this may be a good middle ground for the average person not to fiddle with images, but they failed to explain the differences completely considering it was a big part of the tech nerdy privacy section in a developer conference of tech nerds.

They explain what the feature does:
"In the Mail app, Mail Privacy Protection stops senders from using invisible pixels to collect information about the user. The new feature helps users prevent senders from knowing when they open an email, and masks their IP address so it can’t be linked to other online activity or used to determine their location"

It basically does two things which are clearly spelled out.

They don't compare it to not loading pictures at all because very few regular users want to that.
 
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They explain what the feature does:
"In the Mail app, Mail Privacy Protection stops senders from using invisible pixels to collect information about the user. The new feature helps users prevent senders from knowing when they open an email, and masks their IP address so it can’t be linked to other online activity or used to determine their location"

It basically does two things which are clearly spelled out.

They don't compare it to not loading pictures at all because very few regular users want to that.

I get that but refer to my latest post; not many ago.

Think bout it like camo in the military. This is like taking 100 soldiers and putting them in camo to disguise them from the surroundings. That is what this is trying to do, disguise your open from the spammer by auto-opening all of them for everyone. The spammer doesnt know what is human opened or not.

But that whole concept is contingent upon everyone using this option. If you have 100 guys out there and 50 are in orange hunting vests, well that doesnt exactly cause the enemy to move on.

That is the whole issue here; the concept assumes everyone will use it to cause all of those instant opens to be a meaningful volume and percent of the data making it irrelevant. And we don't know that yet.

No one is saying it is a bad start but articles like this saying it is defeating pixel tracking, not really. And adoption of this is unknown, considering how many people may not upgrade or older devices (or check mail on the web or other PC/devices), which it hinges upon the way it is set up. The IP stuff is good though.

And this isnt about what regular users want. Apple has decided that for them and no comments here will change what is already released. Easiest for all as Apple sets it does not always mean best overall.
 
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I’m not 100% positive, but I read this line:

“When you receive an email in the Mail app, rather than downloading remote content when you open an email, Mail Privacy Protection downloads remote content in the background by default - regardless of how you do or don't engage with the email. Apple does not learn any information about the content.”

… as meaning that Apple’s service will automatically download remote content through THEIR proxy servers (possibly anonymized), whether the email was ever opened by the user or not. This would result in the sender not having reliable tracking data. If every email they send is automatically loaded by a proxy server with a scrubbed IP, their data is mostly noise and no signal. It could essentially render most remote tracking pixels/images/etc useless to the sender, because it doesn’t tell them anything about the user’s behavior. Including whether the end user actually ever opened the email or not. It may look to the sender as if every email was always opened immediately, but that’s not actually what’s happening. The more widely adopted this feature is, the less reliable the data is for the senders.

I could be misunderstanding, but that’s how I read this.
I read it the same way - they're effectively spoiling the data not by refusing to load the images, but by ensuring that every image is loaded, so the marketing folk can no longer trust the results they get back. This is a very interesting move on Apple's part, and not one I would have predicted. I'm not sure what there is in the way of an effective counter to this.
 
What does local business and free email have to do with with the other? Most businesses, even small ones, have paid email services with their hosting company. Small businesses also pay for bulk/marketing emails.
It's called sarcasm. When Apple introduced App Tracking Transparency -- these were criticisms from Facebook and Facebook defenders. Because Facebook needs defending and Apple asking if an App can have permission to track you outside of the App and across the web is so unfair.
 
Once again the media spins something into more than it actually is.
Ive been coding emails for 15 years and there’s ALWAYS been a tracking pixel in your email. NONE of the email service providers that I’ve used reveal your IP Address, but your opens and clicks are extremely important to the marketing team.
You like those personalized emails you get with rewards and targeted messaging? We can’t do that if we don’t know your preferences. How do we know if the email is a “winner” with our customers if we can’t see what you’ve clicked on?
There’s two sides to every story and this article only shows one. Funny how Apple knows where we’ve been and what we do on their phones but are willing to block other’s marketing efforts.
 
You like those personalized emails you get with rewards and targeted messaging? We can’t do that if we don’t know your preferences. How do we know if the email is a “winner” with our customers if we can’t see what you’ve clicked on?
There’s two sides to every story and this article only shows one. Funny how Apple knows where we’ve been and what we do on their phones but are willing to block other’s marketing efforts.
If I wanted you to know what my preferences are I‘d tell you.
 
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Once again the media spins something into more than it actually is.
Ive been coding emails for 15 years and there’s ALWAYS been a tracking pixel in your email. NONE of the email service providers that I’ve used reveal your IP Address, but your opens and clicks are extremely important to the marketing team.
You like those personalized emails you get with rewards and targeted messaging? We can’t do that if we don’t know your preferences. How do we know if the email is a “winner” with our customers if we can’t see what you’ve clicked on?
There’s two sides to every story and this article only shows one. Funny how Apple knows where we’ve been and what we do on their phones but are willing to block other’s marketing efforts.
If the personalized email had such a great offer that one would be out of their mind to ignore it, I’d say yeah, track me all you want. Since not, than to heck with you.
 
Once again the media spins something into more than it actually is.
Ive been coding emails for 15 years and there’s ALWAYS been a tracking pixel in your email. NONE of the email service providers that I’ve used reveal your IP Address
For someone who has "coded emails" for 15 years you seem to know surprisingly little about how it works.

but your opens and clicks are extremely important to the marketing team.
And my privacy is important to me. It's none of the "marketing team's" business if and when I read my emails.

You like those personalized emails you get with rewards and targeted messaging? We can’t do that if we don’t know your preferences. How do we know if the email is a “winner” with our customers if we can’t see what you’ve clicked on?
If someone clicks on a link you see that anyway. That's more than enough.
 
Once again the media spins something into more than it actually is.
Ive been coding emails for 15 years and there’s ALWAYS been a tracking pixel in your email. NONE of the email service providers that I’ve used reveal your IP Address, but your opens and clicks are extremely important to the marketing team.
You like those personalized emails you get with rewards and targeted messaging? We can’t do that if we don’t know your preferences. How do we know if the email is a “winner” with our customers if we can’t see what you’ve clicked on?
There’s two sides to every story and this article only shows one. Funny how Apple knows where we’ve been and what we do on their phones but are willing to block other’s marketing efforts.
A lot of fluff in this post with zero substance.
 
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