Yep, well the one arriving on Nov 2nd is going back until I know more about the Vega option and its potential impact.
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Apple Quietly Announces AMD Radeon Pro Vega Graphics Options Coming to MacBook Pro
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Well... a month after dropping 5K for what Apple sold you as a "Pro" machine and now they tell you ALL that money was not enough to buy you a decent graphics option... That, they hold for 3 months until we fools pay ridiculous prices for not-so-high performance and quite a lot of issues, so they can now release a new option that basically outdates the machines we have. In 3 months... They clearly have no respect for their customers. This announcement, that new graphics options would be available later on the year, should have been made when the 2018 model was announced. But hey, maybe your customers won't buy a machine with a pathetic graphics card for the premium price you ask... This is dishonest at best.
I stayed with apple for 10 years now but this is it. This is the last piece of crap that I buy from this company. Hardware almost always several step behind but much more expensive, an OS that is going downhill (the "it just works" is a thing from the past)... I dont see what is the point on paying the huge markup for this kind of treatment...
Yes, this makes me mad.
PS: copy and paste from other thread.
I stayed with apple for 10 years now but this is it. This is the last piece of crap that I buy from this company. Hardware almost always several step behind but much more expensive, an OS that is going downhill (the "it just works" is a thing from the past)... I dont see what is the point on paying the huge markup for this kind of treatment...
Yes, this makes me mad.
PS: copy and paste from other thread.
So again, what should they do? Not release it for 6 months - but then people who bought it after 4 months will complain it got an unexpected extra option to upgrade 2 months after they bought it.
At some point you have to accept that there's always something else around the corner with technology - and either stop complaining it's updated too often or stop complaining it's not updated often enough.
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Very foolish sentence, you actually believe they've just sat on this for 3 months. Ridiculous.
AMD have only just finished the mobile Vega line - no one else has it either, in fact it's not even ready to ship yet never mind "sitting on it for three months" no other manufacturer released it either.
The only thing they could have done is delay the release of the MacBook Pro for 4 months until AMD had the chips ready - but they probably didn't give them an exact time frame so that's not a viable option.
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It is the same architecture the "Vega" line - but it's a mobile variation. They didn't have anything less than the "56" before this is a new line that AMD are just releasing, no one has it any computers yet and it's not ready for another month.
They are NOT replacing any of the Radeon options, it's a further tier upgrade for people who want it.
I think there is absolutely zero chance, given no 13" Macbook ever had a dedicated GPU.
and honestly, all those "this is it! i'm done with apple" comments are amusing. I think its quite simple: You buy the hardware you need/want for a price that you are willing to pay. If you think: Yeah, the Radeon 560X does fit my needs and im willing to pay the price and i need new hardware now, just buy it and be happy with it (and imho, the Radeon Pro 560X has more than enough power for most MOBILE "pro" use cases; build a cheap gaming rig if you want more power for gaming. I have the impression a lot of people buy the best/newest hardware only because they want it, not because they need it.). If you think: Oh, thats not powerful enough for me ... don't buy it . There are tons of other alternatives on the market (be it an iMac, an eGPU or cheaper Windows Hardware). Apple does not owe you anything.
There's no advantage to anyone in delaying updates for nine months just to fit an artificial release cycle. You buy the best machine you can afford when you need one and leave it at that. There'll always be better models around the corner no matter when you buy.
Always wait until both the gpu and cpu are upgraded. The 560x was just a rebadge. I convinced several other friends of mine to hold off on upgrading their MBPs for this reason.
It's important to note some things:
- eGPU's are not as real-world "strong" compared to actual GPU's in the computer or notebook. The 580 in the BlackMagic eGPU is not as game-changing as it would be if it were in the Macbook Pro as compared to the 560X (obviously unrealistic since 580 throws too much heat, draws too much power, etc.).
- The Vega GPU in the Macbook Pro's will be the Vega 16 or 24, not the Vega 56 or 64 seen in the iMac Pro. The Vega 56 BlackMagic eGPU will be available for the Macbook Pro, but again, the real-world performance of it should be no greater than that of the iMac as it's an eGPU and may be throttled down since in a Notebook environment.
- The Vega 16 and 24 in the Macbook Pro will trump the 560X, but it will not be the baseline option. I'd expect the Vega 16 to command at least a $200 premium over the 560X, and the Vega 24 to command an additional $100 or $200 over that amount.
- eGPU's are not as real-world "strong" compared to actual GPU's in the computer or notebook. The 580 in the BlackMagic eGPU is not as game-changing as it would be if it were in the Macbook Pro as compared to the 560X (obviously unrealistic since 580 throws too much heat, draws too much power, etc.).
- The Vega GPU in the Macbook Pro's will be the Vega 16 or 24, not the Vega 56 or 64 seen in the iMac Pro. The Vega 56 BlackMagic eGPU will be available for the Macbook Pro, but again, the real-world performance of it should be no greater than that of the iMac as it's an eGPU and may be throttled down since in a Notebook environment.
- The Vega 16 and 24 in the Macbook Pro will trump the 560X, but it will not be the baseline option. I'd expect the Vega 16 to command at least a $200 premium over the 560X, and the Vega 24 to command an additional $100 or $200 over that amount.
I just bought a 2018 MacBook Pro 15" upgraded. Depending on the cost and difference I may consider swapping/returning, but for now, I'm not convinced it's worth the trouble. My old MacBook Pro was the mid-2012 retina. It was starting to go on me otherwise I probably would have waited another year, however, i've always had the rule to upgrade when it "feels right" or when "the need" is greater and can't wait such as loss of hardware. We shall see what pans out!
Apple has justifiably sat on countless technological improvements, over all their product lines— all in the name of product consistency. All tech brands must balance this. It doesn’t matter *what* AMD suddenly comes up with in its skunkworks lab, every innovation must fit into a larger product mold.
This is something Apple has done much better than PC makers, who release a new model at the drop of a hat—which dilutes their brand’s value and eats away at things like perceived worth. Apple is bigger than its spec sheet. This is why people regularly buy Apple products that are technically out of date. They know Apple will still take care of them and not render their hardware obsolete. This concept exists opposite of the spec-obsessed “give-it-to-me-now!!!” PC crowd.
Saying that it's good that Apple are consistently slow in improving all their products is not a strong argument. It certainly isn't one that Steve Jobs would have given house room to.
Yeah, foolish sentence followed by an even more foolish reply. If you read the whole post instead of nitpicking, you would understand that the message is that, yes, they had plans for a release with higher end graphics options later on this year, when available. And they could have said so, so people can decide how to invest their money better, i.e. buy back then or wait, based on their needs. These things are not decided last minute so yes, I believe this was planed and the information was deliberately hold so it does not affect sales. If you think that is ridiculous... ok...
the advantage: customers will feel comfortable buying a brand new product as soon as it comes out.
but that's not what i'm saying here. i'm saying they could have delayed the initial 2018 pro release by four months to include the Vega graphics in the initial release. these products take a long time to make so releasing a refresh 4 months after the initial release was planned from the beginning.
if they could delay the Mac mini by a few years, a few months of delay for the MacBook Pro would have been fine, then everyone would be happy.
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tell that to a friend of mine that works at a fast food joint saving up for months to get this to start her youtube channel. she's absolutely floored by this and she's slightly blaming me for telling her that MacBook Pros won't be updated for a while.
tell her, her macbook pro from 2018 will be just fine for starting a youtube channel
. it is a really nice (and expensive) piece of hardware perfectly fine for this job and most probably won't limit her in any way for years to come (besides hardware failures ). blaming you seems like an unfair move from her, nobody could have guessed a vega option will be coming in november.Well duh.
They had no time scale on when AMD would have the chips ready (they're still not ready but they've announced now with a months notice that you'll be able to order them) no I don't think it's reasonable for a company to launch a product with the caveat "look if you want the very best graphics don't buy it yet, for more money, in some time in the future, maybe 3 months, maybe 4, 5, 6, just hold off, don't spend your money, you'll be able to buy better ones" what a ridiculous thing to expect any company to do.
There's always something around the corner, why not just never buy anything cos every 6 months something better will be out. The people moaning about this probably don't have the money (and will moan equally about the cost of) the upgrade.
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I agree totally with all of this - it just baffles me that this forum is full of people who disagree with this and want the spec obsessed release ASAP of the PC space and then the same people are out raged when Apple enables a (more expensive mind) update that wasn't available at the time of purchase.
tell her, her macbook pro from 2018 will be just fine for starting a youtube channel
she's complaining that it's pretty slow when connected to the 4k monitors she has. i told her she needed to get an EGPU if she wants to edit on a 4k screen.
Just my personal comment.
As the Apple product supporter, I would want to have confidence on my purchase based on trust. I do not want to be always in a hesitate mode whenever I am making a Apple product purchase decision, and always asking myself: "is there a new spec coming in a short time?", "will the price drop?", etc...
Imagine they announce a new spec or price drop of iphone XS after a month. Imagine some of us may still defense their decision, and ask those who got affected: "Move on, fellow, technology is moving fast. It is not a big deal if you get the outdated spec with your recent purchase..at least you can still using it"
But in a long run, everyone will start hesitate to make a purchase decision and no more trust with the Apple product. Do you see the problem?
We do see some emotional feedback from the customers who feel they have been "ripped off" with this announcement. Putting the emotional part aside, it is still a valid customer feedback. It is all about "trust".
What we are looking for is how do they manage the customer relationship and build trust.
As a consumer, we should united together and let Apple know that their business decision should always take the customer relationship & trust into the top priority. You are lucky today that you are not affected by the Apple's recent announcement, but we can help our community to voice out and tell Apple, "Look, Apple, your business decision is ruining the trust and customer relationship. Do something about it. We want our community to trust you more and more..."
If we don't help our community now, soon, when we got affected in future, no one going to voice out for us, unless you no longer care about the Apple products.
Just my 2 cents.
As the Apple product supporter, I would want to have confidence on my purchase based on trust. I do not want to be always in a hesitate mode whenever I am making a Apple product purchase decision, and always asking myself: "is there a new spec coming in a short time?", "will the price drop?", etc...
Imagine they announce a new spec or price drop of iphone XS after a month. Imagine some of us may still defense their decision, and ask those who got affected: "Move on, fellow, technology is moving fast. It is not a big deal if you get the outdated spec with your recent purchase..at least you can still using it"
But in a long run, everyone will start hesitate to make a purchase decision and no more trust with the Apple product. Do you see the problem?
We do see some emotional feedback from the customers who feel they have been "ripped off" with this announcement. Putting the emotional part aside, it is still a valid customer feedback. It is all about "trust".
What we are looking for is how do they manage the customer relationship and build trust.
As a consumer, we should united together and let Apple know that their business decision should always take the customer relationship & trust into the top priority. You are lucky today that you are not affected by the Apple's recent announcement, but we can help our community to voice out and tell Apple, "Look, Apple, your business decision is ruining the trust and customer relationship. Do something about it. We want our community to trust you more and more..."
If we don't help our community now, soon, when we got affected in future, no one going to voice out for us, unless you no longer care about the Apple products.
Just my 2 cents.
I still don’t understand why they have a fire in the first place; 2008 they did incredible work in the mbp.
The model I’m waiting for is a 13 inch MacBook Pro fortunately this article says nothing about which models will be getting Tomorrow I’m waiting for is the 13 inch MacBook Pro fortunately this article says nothing about which models and getting this update.
No it wasn't. AMD literally announced these GPU's a few days ago. On top of that, I really don't give a **** about your jealousy. I didn't get that laptop because it didn't offer the GPU I wanted. Simple as that. Now there's a laptop that will, and I don't think it's reasonable that I shouldn't be able to get that laptop because you're upset you bought a laptop you didn't really want after all and now you're jealous of those who get the better one. Good things come to those who wait and know what they want, I believe is the expression?
Technology always marches on. If Apple had been following along with the latest trends and gotten the best CPU's and GPU's all the time, then nobody would even think to bring this up as a problem. That's because it isn't. Apple is finally doing what they should be doing, and they should be applauded for that.
I'm still very disappointed that we heard nothing about a new iMac or Mac Pro, but at least we got this, and I'll take that! The new iPad Pro also looks amazing, although I'm not really in the market for an iPad right now.
The is nothing in the new specs that will affect the machine you have in any way.
Didn’t see this one coming. Very disappointing to those of us who maxed out our 2018 MBPs not knowing there would be a major upgrade just 3 months later. This has never happened before in the history of Mac laptops. It does feel kind of mean, and I hope Apple will make good for the users who would really like to have this improved performance that didn’t think their $6000 laptop would be outdated just three months later.
I just contacted sales customer service supervisor level and....... they approved a 1 time 90 day return exception.
Apple has the best customer service. bar none.
Oooh how to pull this off? What did you say and who did you ask to and how?
Please do tell. I got the 2018 when I needed to replace my 2012 at that timely manner. I’m glad I did so when the 2018 quietly came out but I suppose this is the one I really needed.
