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So you're not up on current events and aren't aware that the deficit is going down? I'll remind you, it doubled under Obama so that was a very relevant thing that mattered. It's going down now and of course main stream media isn't clapping about that. More MAGA and more silence from the big news folks.

Economy changes (up or down) take long time to result into government incomes, the "deficit doubled" you are describing here is EXACTLY the bad results caused by what Bush did.
 
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Perhaps so, but the machinations used by Apple (and other large multinationals) to move and shelter their profits are not available to "any American". The IRS is going to great lengths to monitor and penalize individuals who try and evade taxes through offshore accounts.
It's not tax evasion to arrange a company's affairs so as to reduce the amount of taxes due. Apple's Irish subsidiary pays all the taxes owed to the Irish government (if any), and until and unless the funds are moved to the United States, American tax law does not consider it to be subject to U.S. corporate taxes. Ordinary American individuals pay individual taxes which under some conditions may require them to pay tax on some portion of foreign-earned income, but all ordinary American companies are free, under existing law, to keep the money earned by their foreign subsidiaries in the country where they are located and spent without having to pay U.S. taxes.

Having a tax policy that required income earned by any foreign corporation in which a U.S. company held an interest, even if the profits were kept in the foreign corporation's country, to be taxed at a significant rate would probably result in less tax being collected by the U.S. Companies would, to an extent even greater than now, choose to locate their headquarters abroad in tax havens. There are nice things that America offers, but at some price point they aren't worth the cost of the tax. We live in a competitive world, and countries compete for businesses by, among other things, offering low tax rates.
 
What benefits shareholders will also benefit Tim Cook because he owns a lot of Apple stock and because his pay is linked to company performance (if not the share price directly).

Notice I did not say it wouldn't benefit Cook. I just feel compelled to point out that it is good for everyone. It is easily forgotten and it turns political.
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Trump's plan already contains a corporate tax rate of 15% whereas the personal income tax rate is more in the order of 30%.

You clearly have not looked at his proposal.
 
Tax cuts sound good, but when you are driving across the bridge when it collapses think about it as you crash into the bottom of the gorge (if only there had been money to maintain that bridge). Think about the wonderful taxes you did not have to pay when your child dies from food poisoning that could have been avoided if only the government could have afforded the food inspector at the cheaply run cattle stockyard.
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How about bring that money back. Pay the taxes they owe since they live and benefit from the many services that exist in this country. Safe food, public health, safe roads, safe utilities, protected resources (military and diplomats), protections for all their intellectual property provided by courts and diplomats, ect... And of course to pay the dividends to the investors, without borrowing money from others.
Tax cuts sound good, but when you are driving across the bridge when it collapses think about it as you crash into the bottom of the gorge (if only there had been money to maintain that bridge). Think about the wonderful taxes you did not have to pay when your child dies from food poisoning that could have been avoided if only the government could have afforded the food inspector at the cheaply run cattle stockyard.

It's not how much money you give the government. It's how the government spends it. We can do so much more with less money but the last administration was not handling money like a responsible adult at all. Money management is going to get so much better with Trump.
 
Isn't that really just semantics, though? Okay, Apple Inc. can't use the money to build a building in the U.S., but couldn't Apple Ireland, Inc. (which is the same company) just write the check to cover that expense?
You can't do that, but you can use the money overseas to open stores overseas etc....

And I think for the most part, Apple uses the overseas money to buy US Treasury bonds.
 
For that comparison, what Apple pays in borrowing costs isn't what matters. What matters is the difference between what Apple pays in borrowing costs and what it earns from the savings that it thusly retains (because it finances certain things through borrowing rather than spending those savings). That difference is pretty small at this point.
Though if we assume a probably best-case scenario of a one-off repatriation tax rate of 10%, that 10% has to be lopped off the earnings made from the savings abroad in that comparison. On the other hand, interest payments by Apple U.S. can probably be deducted from U.S. earnings at a marginal tax rate of 35%, whereas income generated abroad from savings might be taxed at a lower rate than that.
Also, when it comes to Apple's undistributed foreign earnings, the aggregate rate of foreign income taxes that has already been paid on it is likely lower than 12.5%. We can't really pin that number down, but we can get an idea of it from parsing Apple's financial reports. I think it's somewhere between 5 and 10%.
Though Ireland ending its special deal with Apple should have brought that number up significantly. And Apple Ireland is where most of Apple's foreign reserves are probably stashed. And Ireland's standard 12.5% rate is pretty unique among developed countries. For most countries it's more in range between 20 and 25%. Of course, as with Ireland, Apple will try to steer its profits to those countries with the lowest rates. And how many special deals or use of loopholes it employs on top of that is not fully clear, though it seems to stay clear of arrangements involving classic tax havens on small islands.
Apple does repatriate some of its foreign earnings. Best I can tell, and what I would guess anyway, is that it repatriates portions that it's already had to pay a higher foreign income tax rate on. So what gets left as undistributed foreign earnings is that which it has paid little foreign income taxes on.
 
I'm not a tax expert, can anyone explain the benefits behind moving cash stateside? Can't Apple spend the money just the same regardless of what country the bank account is located in?

Corporations have to pay major taxes on cash earned overseas so they keep it overseas instead of paying all that tax. The tax holiday will incentivize companies to bring that cash back at a low rate they can accept and then they can use that money to invest. If nothing happened that money would just sit and be invested in overseas business.

Major Obama failure for not even trying this.

Many posters in here are correct, corporations should not have to pay any less than Americans and with that being said, nobody should be forced to pay an income tax, its theft and not American.
 
So you're not up on current events and aren't aware that the deficit is going down? I'll remind you, it doubled under Obama so that was a very relevant thing that mattered. It's going down now and of course main stream media isn't clapping about that. More MAGA and more silence from the big news folks.

Trump's Budget it projected to add $20Tn to the national debt. He's managing to spend significantly more while having government do significantly less.

Damn efficiency feels good!
 
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But he's saving so much money by not hiring people to fill in all the vacancies!

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Wrong. Regular Americans don't have $256B in cash. That cash could do a lot of good for the economy.
But it won't. As I posted elsewhere, Apple has more cash on hand than it knows what to do with. They will continue to sit on most of that money, no matter where it is being held. They're not going to spend it.
By the way, this is the main reason why tax cuts for the rich and for corporations don't boost the economy (statistical fact). Cutting tax for the middle class and poorer people has a far larger effect, because they spend most of what they get back into the economy.
 
If Apple brings back that cash they can use it to pay a monster one-time dividend. As an Apple shareholder that would make me happy.

The motion of all that cash will also cause issues for the local banking systems in question, as that liquidity will suddenly vanish.
 
Actually, that's not true. Any American who earns income abroad is subject to this tax when bringing their income home. It's the difference in the taxes they pay locally, wherever they are, and the higher US tax. If there is a change in that law, and Trump wants to have it done, and Congress agrees, it could affect every American working, and being paid, out of the country.

Americans have to file US taxes, even if they live abroad. They are also responsible for tracking the exchange rate on the date payments were made. In the case of corporations, they can declare such income as perpetually invested overseas. I'm not aware of any similar means of deferring taxes that would apply to individuals without inviting scrutiny and audits.
 
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Though if we assume a probably best-case scenario of a one-off repatriation tax rate of 10%, that 10% has to be lopped off the earnings made from the savings abroad in that comparison. On the other hand, interest payments by Apple U.S. can probably be deducted from U.S. earnings at a marginal tax rate of 35%, whereas income generated abroad from savings might be taxed at a lower rate than that.

If that were the case it would make borrowing rather than repatriating an even better option. But as it is Apple pays U.S. income taxes on the interest earned on those undistributed foreign earnings. In effect, the borrowing costs are deducted from interest earned and Apple pays U.S. income taxes on the difference.

Though Ireland ending its special deal with Apple should have brought that number up significantly. And Apple Ireland is where most of Apple's foreign reserves are probably stashed. And Ireland's standard 12.5% rate is pretty unique among developed countries. For most countries it's more in range between 20 and 25%. Of course, as with Ireland, Apple will try to steer its profits to those countries with the lowest rates. And how many special deals or use of loopholes it employs on top of that is not fully clear, though it seems to stay clear of arrangements involving classic tax havens on small islands.

Yeah, most of the profits that come from Apple's non-American sales are considered attributable to Apple's Irish subsidiaries. That's because the basic convention is that those profits belong where the value is created, not necessarily where sales happen. And Apple's Irish subsidiaries have agreements with the parent company that go back almost to Apple's beginning whereby they share development costs and then the Irish subsidiaries own the value creating piece for sales outside the Americas. Most of the profits that come from sales in the Americas are considered attributable to (and thus taxed in) the United States.
 
Tax cuts sound good, but when you are driving across the bridge when it collapses think about it as you crash into the bottom of the gorge (if only there had been money to maintain that bridge). Think about the wonderful taxes you did not have to pay when your child dies from food poisoning that could have been avoided if only the government could have afforded the food inspector at the cheaply run cattle stockyard.
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How about bring that money back. Pay the taxes they owe since they live and benefit from the many services that exist in this country. Safe food, public health, safe roads, safe utilities, protected resources (military and diplomats), protections for all their intellectual property provided by courts and diplomats, ect... And of course to pay the dividends to the investors, without borrowing money from others.

Yeah, thats what the tax-lovers always try to throw at everyone. Scare tactics. Heres the deal: The Govt collects MORE than enough money to do what it ought to be doing. The problem is that the Govt pisses away way too much tax money on BS things instead of true needs like roads, bridges, food safety, etc. Lets start with the numerous "programs" that benefit only a few people but cost us dearly. Lost of wasted money via social programs and all the freebie garbage. Then you have huge amounts of money being blown on Govt employees and their never-ending wages and benefits. Pensions alone are KILLING New York State and California, let alone the other wasteful spending. How about foreoign aid? Sorry but FOCK the UN and whatever other countries are stealing my money. Go solve your own problems. If they just cut that stuff we could fix a LOT of roads and bridges.

We dont even have to get into more details here. The Govt has proven time and time again that they are incredibly ineffecient and waste money like its nothing. Thats because its NOT their money and its easy to waste money when you didnt earn it and its not yours.

So, once the Govt gets "lean and mean" about spending, come and talk to me about what ought to be done with taxes. Most people fully understand that we have a SPENDING problem not a revenue problem.
 
If that were the case it would make borrowing rather than repatriating an even better option. But as it is Apple pays U.S. income taxes on the interest earned on those undistributed foreign earnings.
Why would Apple pay U.S. income tax on interested earned on foreign 'cash' holdings if it doesn't repatriate the interest earned back to the U.S. and keeps it in its foreign subsidiaries?
 
Why would Apple pay U.S. income tax on interested earned on foreign 'cash' holdings if it doesn't repatriate the interest earned back to the U.S. and keeps it in its foreign subsidiaries?

The short answer is that tax laws are complicated.

The slightly longer (and hopefully slightly more elucidating) answer is that different kinds of income are treated differently in this context, i.e. when it comes to the earnings of foreign subsidiaries which U.S. corporations own. Certain kinds of income - e.g., interest or dividend income - of controlled foreign corporations are taxed in the U.S. (i.e. the U.S. owners of those corporations are taxed on it) whether that income is distributed (i.e. to the U.S. owners) or not.

If you'd like a longer explanation or to understand why we'd choose to do it that way, let me know and I'll try to return to the subject. If you'd like to look into the issue some yourself, you might start by googling Subpart F income. That's the kind of income we're talking about.
 
Not just for billionaires.

1. This would benefit shareholders more than someone like Tim Cook.
2. This would make it easier for a company to reinvest money in America so it is good for all. This injection of capital creates a multiplier effect.

1. The largest shareholders are often the upper management. Tim Cook will be very happy and very well compensated if the Apple cash is repatriated.
2. We have evidence from the last tax holiday under G. Bush in 2004 that the money brought in was overwhelming used to for dividend payouts and stock buybacks. There will be no "reinvestment", just a giveaway to the 1%.

If Congress decides that 35% is too high a corporate tax rate and wants to lower it without exploding the deficit, fine. But a tax holiday is a sham.
 
1. The largest shareholders are often the upper management. Tim Cook will be very happy and very well compensated if the Apple cash is repatriated.
2. We have evidence from the last tax holiday under G. Bush in 2004 that the money brought in was overwhelming used to for dividend payouts and stock buybacks. There will be no "reinvestment", just a giveaway to the 1%.

If Congress decides that 35% is too high a corporate tax rate and wants to lower it without exploding the deficit, fine. But a tax holiday is a sham.

Sounds like you should buy some Apple stock then since you know what is going to happen. :)
 
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