Apple Readies 3D Sensing Rear Camera Component Supplies for 2020 iPhones

[Renho]

Only if you live in an area that allows you to take advantage of it.. which most people do not. Such an easy skip this year.

I meant next year. Since you said 1-2. No this year isn’t even coming with 5G modem but since it’s so new there will be bugs to workout...

 

[Meandmunch]

The march is slow but we are slowly going to get personal Tricorders!

 

[Wide opeN]

Allow me to continue to beat the dead horse.

IPhone 2019 = DOA

 

[falainber]

Here's the thing.....Samsung like to throw new hardware on their stuff to flex their muscle.....but they have no vision and lack creativity. They added the triple camera setup, but what does it DO besides just be an ultra wide lens? maybe helps with a 3x zoom a bit, but that's IT. Apple's apparently working on using the third lens to fix composure (crop people back into a photo). I'd imagine they're also going to use the third lens to improve low-light photos (take in light from all 3 cameras with Smart HDR to construct a single image rather than increasing sensor size), as well as give video a cinematic mode similar to portrait mode, although that might not debut till next year with with ToF sensor for more accurate depth mapping. Samsung may give the hardware, but they're not so good at implementing that with software

Is not Samsung the only vendor with the pones that have variable aperture lens? That's quite fundamental advantage. No amount of AI trickery can compensate for that. Same with the multiple lenses. The main reason to have them is to be able to use different focal lengths. This is critical. Apple phone cameras have been decent lately but not really special. Also Samsung camera software has been offering more features than what iPhone offers. You might not be familiar with the fact that Samsung actually was designing and manufacturing real digital cameras for quite a while and their models were very innovative. They also produce and use their own image censors (in addition to Sony sensors). I am not aware of a single feature in iPhone camera that is not available on Samsung phones.

 

[Classie]

Damn I love tec!

 

[jackietreeh0rn]

Starting at $1299 ?

 

[goobot]

2019 iPhone looks like a bust like last year but 2020 looking like an upgrade.

 

[I7guy]

Is not Samsung the only vendor with the pones that have variable aperture lens? That's quite fundamental advantage. No amount of AI trickery can compensate for that. Same with the multiple lenses. The main reason to have them is to be able to use different focal lengths. This is critical. Apple phone cameras have been decent lately but not really special. Also Samsung camera software has been offering more features than what iPhone offers. You might not be familiar with the fact that Samsung actually was designing and manufacturing real digital cameras for quite a while and their models were very innovative. They also produce and use their own image censors (in addition to Sony sensors). I am not aware of a single feature in iPhone camera that is not available on Samsung phones.

Dynamic video hdr is available on Samsung phones? (But even then Xs max videos are about the best around. And Samsung has faster shutter with slow-mo, but the time it runs is limited)The usefulness of variable aperture lenses can be debated on lenses with short focal lengths and tiny sensors.

 

[falainber]

Dynamic video hdr is available on Samsung phones? (But even then Xs max videos are about the best around. And Samsung has faster shutter with slow-mo, but the time it runs is limited)The usefulness of variable aperture lenses can be debated on lenses with short focal lengths and tiny sensors.

I was not interested enough to investigate this stuff but as I understand both iPhones and Samsung phones can play HDR videos (but not record them) and take HDR still pictures. I do not see any difference there.

 

[827538]

Definitely worth skipping this year.

2020
- Qualcomm 5G modems (no more 2nd rate Intel modems)
- 5nm EUV chips
- Full screen displays
- Underdisplay TouchID

Sounds like we're reaching the pinnacle of smart phone development.

 

[freedomlinux]

I volunteer to provide you with a reality check:
Thanks for defining what the main purpose of the "iPhone" is for the whole world.

Wait, the iPhone can make phone calls now? woaaaaaahhhh

 

[ewartjohn11]

Is not Samsung the only vendor with the pones that have variable aperture lens? That's quite fundamental advantage. No amount of AI trickery can compensate for that. Same with the multiple lenses. The main reason to have them is to be able to use different focal lengths. This is critical. Apple phone cameras have been decent lately but not really special. Also Samsung camera software has been offering more features than what iPhone offers. You might not be familiar with the fact that Samsung actually was designing and manufacturing real digital cameras for quite a while and their models were very innovative. They also produce and use their own image censors (in addition to Sony sensors). I am not aware of a single feature in iPhone camera that is not available on Samsung phones.

Dynamic video hdr is available on Samsung phones? (But even then Xs max videos are about the best around. And Samsung has faster shutter with slow-mo, but the time it runs is limited)The usefulness of variable aperture lenses can be debated on lenses with short focal lengths and tiny sensors.

Thank you. As a cinematography and photography nerd.....I really pay attention to what the cameras do, along with the image they produce. The iPhone XS/XS Max is the only phone right now with an ISP that produces actual HDR video (and in real time). They do this WITHOUT a dual aperture or third lens. Camera tests from the S9 and Note 9 and S10 all show VERY little difference in quality when switching between apertures. This seemed like it should've MAJORLY improved quality and low light conditions, but on sensors so small, with such a small focal length, smart phone cameras will never truly be able to benefit from that. However, Apple was able to make LEAPS in quality between the X and XS by 1. Giving the cameras a bigger sensor that lets more light in to paint the picture. 2. Beefing up the processor and ISP with a real time neural engine that allows for zero shutter lag AND more accurate, higher dynamic range in both photos and video. This higher dynamic range is really being ignored, but it allows for a post editing experience that's a lot closer to working with RAW footage due to all the HDR data captured. Samsung is a company that produces hardware. Apple is all about achieving their goals through software and AI manipulation.
As for the SUPER SLOMO gimmick that the Samsung devices have......it's not practical for filming. its unreliable because you don't get to control it. the processor has to work so hard that the machine has to control WHEN it slows the motion AND for how long. ALSOOOOOO.....does't the Note 9 and below have a cap on 4K recording time (specifically 4K 60fps)

 

[MacBH928]

iphone 2020 rumors give people more reason to hold on their current devices = less sales

 

[falainber]

Thank you. As a cinematography and photography nerd.....I really pay attention to what the cameras do, along with the image they produce. The iPhone XS/XS Max is the only phone right now with an ISP that produces actual HDR video (and in real time). They do this WITHOUT a dual aperture or third lens. Camera tests from the S9 and Note 9 and S10 all show VERY little difference in quality when switching between apertures. This seemed like it should've MAJORLY improved quality and low light conditions, but on sensors so small, with such a small focal length, smart phone cameras will never truly be able to benefit from that. However, Apple was able to make LEAPS in quality between the X and XS by 1. Giving the cameras a bigger sensor that lets more light in to paint the picture. 2. Beefing up the processor and ISP with a real time neural engine that allows for zero shutter lag AND more accurate, higher dynamic range in both photos and video. This higher dynamic range is really being ignored, but it allows for a post editing experience that's a lot closer to working with RAW footage due to all the HDR data captured. Samsung is a company that produces hardware. Apple is all about achieving their goals through software and AI manipulation.
As for the SUPER SLOMO gimmick that the Samsung devices have......it's not practical for filming. its unreliable because you don't get to control it. the processor has to work so hard that the machine has to control WHEN it slows the motion AND for how long. ALSOOOOOO.....does't the Note 9 and below have a cap on 4K recording time (specifically 4K 60fps)

This got me curious so I googled it. No iPhone XS does not have HDR video capturing but it does something else to improve dynamic range:

Added dynamic range for video, too

A feature promoted less by Apple is the extended dynamic range available for video shot with the iPhone XS, provided you're shooting at 30 frames per second or lower. In 30fps 4K video mode, the iPhone XS doesn't just take a frame every 30th of a second. Instead, it takes alternating frames every 60th of a second, alternating between bright and dark exposures, and then the A12 processor analyzes each frame pair and intelligently combines them to expand the dynamic range of the video.

It's not quite HDR, but it means videos shot with the iPhone XS will be much more capable of handling scenes that mix bright and dark elements.

Source

 

[naturalstar]

Oh, this is another nice 2020 feature. I’ll just wait until then. My Max is doing fine.

 

[I7guy]

This got me curious so I googled it. No iPhone XS does not have HDR video capturing but it does something else to improve dynamic range:

Added dynamic range for video, too

A feature promoted less by Apple is the extended dynamic range available for video shot with the iPhone XS, provided you're shooting at 30 frames per second or lower. In 30fps 4K video mode, the iPhone XS doesn't just take a frame every 30th of a second. Instead, it takes alternating frames every 60th of a second, alternating between bright and dark exposures, and then the A12 processor analyzes each frame pair and intelligently combines them to expand the dynamic range of the video.

It's not quite HDR, but it means videos shot with the iPhone XS will be much more capable of handling scenes that mix bright and dark elements.

Source

It’s interesting as the a12 has the horsepower to process the video in real time. Whether it’s real hdr or fake hdr the videos look awesome.

 

[tosolini]

The current depth sensor in the X is unusable beyond face recognition. If Apple is serious about AR, the longer range rear sensor will enable users to 3D scan objects, rooms and homes. Solutions like http://geocv.com that combine smartphones with sensors, will be reduced to just the phone. Everybody will be able to create virtual tours like http://matterport.com. The winners will be the software platforms that depend today on expensive scanners to offer immersive experiences.
Also, imagine if you are allowed to upload a virtual tour of your business to Apple Maps. Like Google does for Street View, they might be able to crowd-source 3D content (although that's not in Apple's DNA ).

Today, to capture reality, you need a 3D scanner or photogrammetry. Tomorrow you'll need a powerful and expensive iPhone. Not everybody will use 3D, but when times will be right for the AR glasses, there is going to be demand for lots of 3D objects.

 

[alexnyc8]

Solution in search of a problem. Just more creepy stuff that will be turned into big brother.
I second the comment where Apple should make a basic iPhone with normal standard cameras, no faceid/notch, OLED screen, 128GB storage and decent battery for $600.

 

[Eorlas]

Who cares about the camera, that UI is glorious, and anything that doesn't have the homebar on it is perfect in my eyes.

 

[Abazigal]

So walk around holding your phone up in front of your face?

That’s one way to sell you on the utility of AR glasses.