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Apple applied for this patent four years ago. How many of these "similar" devices pictured on this thread are older than that?
 
It remains unclear, however, exactly what benefit a touch-sensitive bezel would offer to an iPhone, iPod touch or iPad user given the multi-touch capabilities of those devices' screens. The ability to control certain functions of the device without obscuring the device's screen would appear to be a benefit at first glance, but the need for visual cues on the display to identify the controls would appear to mitigate that benefit.

One word: Games.

This is exactly what they need to circumvent having no buttons. Having to touch the screen covers up more than the display (you have to look over your hand/finger).
 
Aren't there some Samsung phones with touch sensitive areas that are not part of the screen?

If the Pre also has something similar, how has a patent been granted?

This patent application was applied for in 2006. Long before the Pre or Instinct hit the shelves
 
The PATENT image looks like Rodins Thinker.

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Maybe?! Huh? Sorta? Possible?

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Incorporating Touch on the bezel, would enable a better functionality and experience with the iPad LESS for the iPhone.... I don't know about everyone else but I've moved on from the iPad and even iPhone hardware Hype.... I'm more interested in Macs and Software
 
this could open the door for simple multitasking.. and as far as it opening things when you dont mean to, apple is pretty good about ignoring accidental touch input on the mbp trackpad, im sure they know what they are doing...

if this first iPad comes with this, they just upped the odds of me buying one..
 
Apple applied for this patent four years ago. How many of these "similar" devices pictured on this thread are older than that?

Close enough when you add in R&D time to them that they could easily be older than Apple orginal Patent application. To me it is just another stupid patent put out by a company and one that apple more than likely will never used and mostly just used to CYA. It could easily be if apple tries to sue with the patent it would get invalidate by the courts.
 
they put so much money into research of these touch screens, yet these are so freaking unpractical. If you, like me, want precise work, you want it to be buttons, and you want your screen to be clean...

But if there is a demand and people buy it...

That's why Apple has so much cool stuff. You think they just go hmmm.... iphone. Like this! No they go through ridiculous implementations and designs and possibilities.
 
All that matters in a patent is what is claimed. Here is a representative claim from the patent:
1. An electronic device, comprising: a display positioned on the electronic device and having a perimeter; at least one touch sensitive surface positioned outside a display surface on the electronic device adjacent at least a portion of the perimeter of the display; and processing circuitry operatively connected to the display and to the at least one touch sensitive surface, the processing circuitry configured to: designate at least one area of variable size and position of the at least one touch sensitive surface for at least one control, the position and size of the at least one designated area is dependent on the context or content of what is on the display; generate at least one visual guide for the at least one control; and present the at least one visual guide for display at a location on the display adjacent the at least one area designated for the at least one control.

I believe the difference with respect to the devices mentioned earlier in the thread is in bold.

In other words, you don't touch the icon (you touch something "adjacent" to the icon), and the touch area is not pre-fixed - it changes depending on what is being displayed.
 
Close enough when you add in R&D time to them that they could easily be older than Apple orginal Patent application. To me it is just another stupid patent put out by a company and one that apple more than likely will never used and mostly just used to CYA. It could easily be if apple tries to sue with the patent it would get invalidate by the courts.

I truthfully don't think any of these companies was working on anything like the iPhone until it came out. And even then, not until it was a bonified hit.
 
Translucent bezels...

Yes... But a translucent bezel could be very interesting! :D

Perhaps have the underlying LCD be large enough that the bezel rides on top of part of the LCD. Then, those portions of the LCD that are covered by the bezel could then be programmed to interact with the bezel... Cool!

...Or the bezel is a kind of touch LCD in itself... Hum...
 
Close enough when you add in R&D time to them that they could easily be older than Apple orginal Patent application. To me it is just another stupid patent put out by a company and one that apple more than likely will never used and mostly just used to CYA. It could easily be if apple tries to sue with the patent it would get invalidate by the courts.

From the picture of the C902 phone, it has none of the features claimed in the Apple patent, so how is it relevant?
 
These patents are getting out of control, so many things that are normal evolutions are being patented by Patent whores.

We need new patent laws that only allow for real new innovations.
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These patents are getting out of control, so many things that are normal evolutions are being patented by Patent whores.

We need new patent laws that only allow for real new innovations.
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If no one did it before, and no one wrote about it before, how is it not a "real new innovation?" In hindsight everything looks obvious. If someone did what the patent claims specify, then it should be invalid, but the press, and posters on this thread, seem to think that the patent abstract somehow is relevant - it's not. All that matters is the what the patent claims (there is a section of a patent with a list of claims).
 
Like the idea...

I've always thought the bezel seemed like sort of wasted space. Not sure I agree with those saying it'd be too easy to accidentally touch them. I have big hands yet don't feel any particular need to wrap my fingers way around onto the front surface in order to hold onto my ipod touch.

I do find the floating functionality a little perplexing. Rather than giving the bezel areas defined locations and functionality, they want to make them define-able. Sounds nice in a way, but if you have to take up screen real estate with labels that identify the bezel buttons' varying positions and functions, doesn't that defeat the purpose? Why not just touch the screen, as another poster mentioned?

Instead, I'd prefer the buttons to be permanent and universal and perform functions that presently just eat up screen space, like Search, Info, Help, Done/Back, Edit.
 
It's ridiculous

that you can patent a concept like that. A few days ago, I was looking at the iPad with its huge bezel and thinking -hey if you could touch the bezel, lets say to pause, play, etc. when watching a movie, you wouln't smudge up the whole screen. It's not a bad idea, but can you really patent it.

Who holds the patent on perforated rolled paper on cardboard tubes?
 
that you can patent a concept like that. A few days ago, I was looking at the iPad with its huge bezel and thinking -hey if you could touch the bezel, lets say to pause, play, etc. when watching a movie, you wouln't smudge up the whole screen. It's not a bad idea, but can you really patent it.

Who holds the patent on perforated rolled paper on cardboard tubes?

Why can't you patent it? You could have patented it if you thought of it first.
 
Instead, I'd prefer the buttons to be permanent and universal and perform functions that presently just eat up screen space, like Search, Info, Help, Done/Back, Edit.

you can have actual buttons that are defined based on the app,
and the labels don't come up over the screen unless you ask them to, either by touching, but not pressing the button, pressing a ? on the screen or a small button on the bezel. (almost like the hints you get for mousing over buttons in windows)

I'd better go patent that before someone else does.
 
Of course...

You should all be aware that a patent does not protect one from lawsuits for inappropriate "back-side touching". That would still be covered by s3xual harassment laws. Ha!
 
My guess is that this is going to be used for multitasking abilities and unlocked with OS 4.0. Apple could implement specific gestures to avoid unintended inputs such as a simple double tap in the corner of the bezel.

By making it a feature of 4.0, the new iPhone 4g will get the new abilities at the same time, using new hardware that makes the areas to the side of the home button touch sensitive.
 
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