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Apple Records Nearly Half of U.S. PC Desktop Retail Industry Revenue
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How hard is it for a team of 25 to make an EFI Firmware for a card when 1 person can make one within weeks? (Netkas)
I remember seeing Dell kiosks around the holidays four or so years ago. However, I try to avoid that barren wasteland; so, I can't tell you if it's still continuing.
Seeing this report seems to reinforce Apple's decision to not go into the cheap netbook market. If they ever decide to venture into this territory, I'd be highly surprised. Too bad they disabled the netbook hackintosh.
I remember seeing Dell kiosks around the holidays four or so years ago. However, I try to avoid that barren wasteland; so, I can't tell you if it's still continuing.
Seeing this report seems to reinforce Apple's decision to not go into the cheap netbook market. If they ever decide to venture into this territory, I'd be highly surprised. Too bad they disabled the netbook hackintosh.
It's a bummer. An Apple netbook would come in so handy right about now for me.
I'll definitely be buying the HP netbook for myself before xmas this year. I really want the white one with the designs on it.
Pretty good Apple, just think this is comparing ONE manufacturer to dozens. Break it down to show the market share of HP, IBM, Asus, Toshiba, Sony etc. and I think you would see a major difference in the Apple hardware share.
Comparing Mac OS X to Microsoft Windows in this scenario by utilizing hardware figures is misleading. How many PC's are sold with Windows on them to get reloaded with Linux or made into a Hackintosh? How many pre-Mac OS X systems are still out there running?
Don't you know that 64.971 percent of all statistics are made up?
Pete
Comparing Mac OS X to Microsoft Windows in this scenario by utilizing hardware figures is misleading. How many PC's are sold with Windows on them to get reloaded with Linux or made into a Hackintosh? How many pre-Mac OS X systems are still out there running?
Don't you know that 64.971 percent of all statistics are made up?
Pete
NPD only tracks retail sales, this is nowhere even CLOSE to total sales. Good "revenue" numbers for Apple, but considering who has a well known dedicated store (Apple) and who doesn't (everyone else for the most part), not really surprising. Their market share is still quite low.
Yes, because Apple chooses to run itself like a business and not a charity by not participating in the $400 POS PC market.
Evil bastards.
Yes, because Apple chooses to run itself like a business and not a charity by not participating in the $400 POS PC market.
Evil bastards.
Well I think it's clear that Apple is pretty much all about the money. They don't want more people using their products, they just want to make higher margins. This shows in the actual quality of their products, which is dropping quite a bit in recent years, while the price skyrockets.
The reason PC's are so cheap is because of competition. PC prices are the REAL value of the hardware you are buying, yet these companies are still making profits. Apple makes an obscene profit on the same (or worse) hardware that PC makers use.
Apple is able to make such absurd profit levels because it's basically it's own monopoly. Great business, but hardly benefits users. In fact it's pretty detrimental to them. If Apple was making such good stuff, why is it like 2 days wait just to get an appointment to get your broken gear looked at?
Agreed, can't wait until he hacks a 5870 so I can install one in my sisters MAcPro.
I'm sure that's directly proportional to the hardware.
Next up, what is good for Apple's profit margin is good for me too. Somehow innovation comes from that. Kudos to Apple but not enough to entice me to buy something from them beyond my $29 coaster right now.
That's what I thought too. Sounds like they have cut costs a lot...I hope that doesn't translate into lower quality stuff.
Its great to see in comparison to HP, Dell, Asus, Acer, and all those other PC manufacturers that Apple is holding strong despite way higher prices.
I think if Apple just randomly dropped prices $50-100 they would make up for the loss in price in number of units sold.
I think if Apple just randomly dropped prices $50-100 they would make up for the loss in price in number of units sold.
So why do people keep buying them? The fact is if Apple's computers were terrible and terribly expensive then no one would buy them.
Competition to sell the cheapest box, because they all run Windows? There's competition all right, but not a real lot of differentiation. Apple can differentiate and hence charge more. They do still charge prices the market can bare (even in a recession) because they wouldn't be growing otherwise.
That's quite impossible. There has to be some markup, otherwise no profits would be made. And those PC companies who are making profits often have other parts of their business which are helping (servers, printers etc.). The idea that the PC industry is hugely profitable (or in some cases profitable at all) is a bit of a lie.
Why don't the PC makers use Apple's formula? Find and way to differentiate themselves (so they stand out) etc.
Also with laptops, those with the same specs AND build as Macs (high end VAIOs, HP Envy, Thinkpads) often cost more or the same.
Many PC makers started the decade in a far better position than Apple. So how is this Apple's fault? It's not a scam or a trick. Apple is not trying to crowd out choice, because they leave plenty of other options open. You can buy A PC which is cheaper and has better hardware (according to you).
I really don't understand what you're getting at?
If you want a Mac, get one. If you think they're not worth the money then pick a superior option. If you want to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of Mac Software and Hardware then I think that is interesting and valuable.
But I'm full on fed up bored of these “Apple is successful and because they don't conform to what the rest of the PC industry is doing it's really unfair and because they make big profits it is even more unfair” posts.
Which is basically what you've said, paraphrased.
Fire off an email immediately!
tim.cook@apple.com
Of course, just like any stats, it depends who you ask. Local news site NBR just released these stats for its website visitors:
Yes, but this is a separate issue, all this states is the prevalence of various operating systems in the wild, rather than up-take of Apple OS.
They don't want people using their products?
Retail Apple OS disc don't require a serial number to install.
Currently version of iLife/iWork don't require serial numbers to install.
Think about that for a bit.
U have no data backing up that statement.You just sound bitter.
Errr...you have me all wrong, and much of what you stated is wrong too.
I just have a problem with people absolutely worshipping Apple when it's clear they are far from benevolent (I am typing this on my macbook pro after all).
Who said what they did isn't fair? Stop being so paranoid. They are very smart business people, and they can get a small amount of suckers to buy their overpriced goods, which is why they make obscene profits on very small volume. Of course, I am also one of those "suckers" because I have some of their stuff. But I wouldn't go the full nine yards and buy a mac pro. That crosses the rip off line, and I don't see how Apple can sell those in any sort of decent conscience.
I guess I just get baffled when stories of Apple's ridiculous profit margins come out and people here go "Yeah, go Apple!" Huh? They are doing that at OUR expense...it makes no sense at all unless you're a complete stool pigeon, which is way too common around here for some reason. Why is it that you can't criticize Apple's many glaring faults without being labeled as some sort of "hater?" I have Apple stuff which is WHY I ask them to be much better than they are. They fall short in many many areas.
Apple's mid-range and high-end products don't cost much more (and sometimes less) than name-brand PCs.
Price out a Dell with the SAME specs as a MacBook, for instance, and the Dell currently costs a lot more than the MacBook. (Some people like to single out ONE spec, like screen size, and say that makes two machines "the same." Hmmm... they wouldn't do that when comparing a Dell and an HP
They'd compare ALL the specs fairly. So be fair with Apple too.)Dell, HP, Apple... all of them have high margins on higher-end machines than on the cheaply-made bottom-end machines. Apple simply doesn't HAVE any bottom-end machines to throw off their average. (And why should they? They are hurting PC makers, not helping them.)
Thus, Apple's average margin is higher, yet their prices for machines they DO make are about the same as Dell and HP prices.
As for quality... I recently recommended a bottom-end Dell to someone. Suffice it to say I won't make that mistake again. It had two serious failures. Months later and it still doesn't work--yes, it has a warranty, but customer service is awful.
(If you say Macs are overpriced, then you must also say that mid-to-high-end Dells, HPs and Sonys are overpriced. All you're really saying then is that people should always buy bottom-end machines, or build their own. Neither of which is really an ideal solution.)