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Or... people believe that the way the EU commission works in some situations is wrong. They soured me on their dealings with Apple when they deliberately and repeatedly lied during the Irish tax investigation in order to manipulate public opinion.
You are saying you think how the legal system of EU works is wrong. Or rather how most civil law countries their national competition authorities (NCAs) does thing. And that’s fine, but civil law countries like European states does things very differently from the USA.

The U.S. legal system umis

The EU commission didn’t lie nor does the impact on public opinion matter to the court who isn’t beholden to nether elections nor political parties.
 
You are saying you think how the legal system of EU works is wrong. Or rather how most civil law countries their national competition authorities (NCAs) does thing. And that’s fine, but civil law countries like European states does things very differently from the USA.

The U.S. legal system umis
No, I didn’t. You’re just putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative.

The EU commission didn’t lie nor does the impact on public opinion matter to the court who isn’t beholden to nether elections nor political parties.
The EU commission clearly lied. Unless you think they are ignorant of the difference between revenue and income. And they had no other reason to do so than to manipulate public opinion.
 
No, I didn’t. You’re just putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative.
Then what does Or... people believe that the way the EU commission works in some situations is wrong” even mean? It’s functioning exactly as it’s supposed to and can’t work differently.
The EU commission clearly lied. Unless you think they are ignorant of the difference between revenue and income. And they had no other reason to do so than to manipulate public opinion.
What purpose is there to manipulate public opinion if it has zero impact to the legality of their findings or what the judge will do?

And you understand the case was against Ireland giving illegal state aid to Apple . And in what way are they ignoring the difference in revenue and income in the case?
 
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No, I didn’t. You’re just putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative.


The EU commission clearly lied. Unless you think they are ignorant of the difference between revenue and income. And they had no other reason to do so than to manipulate public opinion.
You literally said that 🙄

"Or... people believe that the way the EU commission works in some situations is wrong."
 
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You literally said that 🙄

"Or... people believe that the way the EU commission works in some situations is wrong."
Then what does Or... people believe that the way the EU commission works in some situations is wrong” even mean? It’s functioning exactly as it’s supposed to and can’t work differently.
The world isn't black in white. Objecting to the way the EU commission works in "some situations" is very different than objecting to the entire EU legal system.

What purpose is there to manipulate public opinion if it has zero impact to the legality of their findings or what the judge will do?
I think we all understand why politicians manipulate public opinion.

And you understand the case was against Ireland giving illegal state aid to Apple . And in what way are they ignoring the difference in revenue and income in the case?
If you didn't know what I was talking about, why did you say they didn't lie? The EU commission repeatedly and deliberately lied by claiming that Apple paid an effective tax rate that they calculated by dividing tax by revenue. In reality, an effective tax rate is calculated by dividing tax by income.
 
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The world isn't black in white. Objecting to the way the EU commission works in "some situations" is very different than objecting to the entire EU legal system.


I think we all understand why politicians manipulate public opinion.


If you didn't know what I was talking about, why did you say they didn't lie? The EU commission repeatedly and deliberately lied by claiming that Apple paid an effective tax rate that they calculated by dividing tax by revenue. In reality, an effective tax rate is calculated by dividing tax by income.
That’s the issue, they didn’t lie. The European Commission calculated Apple’s taxes based on the argument that Apple’s tax arrangements with Ireland allowed it to pay significantly less tax than other companies, which could be considered illegal state aid under EU rules. The EC’s method focused on the profits attributed to Apple’s Irish branches and the intellectual property licenses held by Apple subsidiaries in Ireland
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Essentially paying yourself as an expense so you don’t need to pay taxes. And this investigation started after The U.S. senate had a hearing with Tim Cook about their tax planning that led to EU investigating Ireland.

The case by the way isn’t done and if the EC lied as you say they would have been reprimanded for it
 

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The world isn't black in white. Objecting to the way the EU commission works in "some situations" is very different than objecting to the entire EU legal system.
Sure, but it’s how they always seem to always worked since the Lisbon treaty of 2007/2009 that reformed the EU institutions and organization after the expansion of membership in 2001 that automatically triggered treaty reconstruction.

Do you have something more specific to how the Eau commission seems to be working differently now than any other instances?
I think we all understand why politicians manipulate public opinion.
Of course, but you still must substantiate it with something outside of “because”.

The politicians during Brexit tried to influence public opinion, but it had little to no impact or influence of what EU did considering the people impacted was ether not elected officials but appointed, or the elected official who was impacted didn’t have the mean nor authority to impact independent branches who worked within the legal framework.
 
That’s the issue, they didn’t lie. The European Commission calculated Apple’s taxes based on the argument that Apple’s tax arrangements with Ireland allowed it to pay significantly less tax than other companies, which could be considered illegal state aid under EU rules. The EC’s method focused on the profits attributed to Apple’s Irish branches and the intellectual property licenses held by Apple subsidiaries in IrelandView attachment 2366703View attachment 2366704

Essentially paying yourself as an expense so you don’t need to pay taxes. And this investigation started after The U.S. senate had a hearing with Tim Cook about their tax planning that led to EU investigating Ireland.

The case by the way isn’t done and if the EC lied as you say they would have been reprimanded for it
If your argument is that almost all revenue that Apple generates in the EU should be considered profit, than you're simply not being reasonable. The vast majority of this revenue is eventually booked and taxed in the US. In fact, revenue and taxes deferred through the stateless corps are listed on their US financials.

And can you please stop posting so many pictures? They just make your posts harder to decipher.
 
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If your argument is that almost all revenue that Apple generates in the EU should be considered profit, than you're simply not being reasonable. The vast majority of this revenue is eventually booked and taxed in the US. In fact, revenue and taxes deferred through the stateless corps are listed on their US financials.

And can you please stop posting so many pictures? They just make your posts harder to decipher.
a picture is worth a thousand... LOL ;)
 
If your argument is that almost all revenue that Apple generates in the EU should be considered profit, than you're simply not being reasonable. The vast majority of this revenue is eventually booked and taxed in the US. In fact, revenue and taxes deferred through the stateless corps are listed on their US financials.

And can you please stop posting so many pictures? They just make your posts harder to decipher.
For example, in Q1 2015, Apple used the CAIA tool when its Irish subsidiary purchased US$300 billion in intangible assets from an Apple subsidiary based in Jersey. The CAIA tool enabled Apple to write-off the US$300 billion price as a capital allowance against future Irish profits (e.g. the next US$300 billion of profits Apple books in Ireland are free of Irish tax).

All profit in the EU is taxed in EU, and should be taxed in EU. My argument is that all revenue Apple payed from Ireland back to themselves should be taxed ether in Ireland at full or in every EU member state.

The fact it’s taxed in the U.S. is completely irrelevant to EU it should be taxed.
 
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For example, in Q1 2015, Apple used the CAIA tool when its Irish subsidiary purchased US$300 billion in intangible assets from an Apple subsidiary based in Jersey. The CAIA tool enabled Apple to write-off the US$300 billion price as a capital allowance against future Irish profits (e.g. the next US$300 billion of profits Apple books in Ireland are free of Irish tax).

All profit in the EU is taxed in EU, and should be taxed in EU. My argument is that all revenue Apple payed from Ireland back to themselves should be taxed ether in Ireland at full or in every EU member state.
None of that makes any sense. Your confusing multiple issues here. You're describing a normal international business transaction and implying something is wrong with it. It has nothing to do with the EU Irish tax complaint.

The EU complaint is about whether Apple's implementation of the Double Irish corporate structure within a single company instead of two separate companies constitutes illegal state aid. Apple moved to the traditional double Irish in 2015 in response to the complaint. The EGC ruled in 2020 that the EU commission was not able to prove that Apple received any tax advantage from the original arrangement.

The fact it’s taxed in the U.S. is completely irrelevant to EU it should be taxed.
Of course it matters. Income is only taxed in the jurisdiction in which it is booked.
 
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