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Apple needs to re-think this big time.

Apple doesn't need to rethink anything.

They can't stop people from buying stuff from a web site using a browser. They can stop App store apps from using a webview inside an app to buy stuff for that app.

They approve apps. They don't (can't) approve or disapprove of what web sites you visit and buy stuff from (unless your parents have enabled "adult" controls).
 
At first I thought this was a competitive move, but after reading it it's pretty obvious this is all about Apple not getting their 30% cut of the app sale - and perhaps competitive at the same time.

Last I checked, more people who own iPhone's/iPads still buy their books through Kindle than Apple's iBooks. By forcing other apps to use their payment methods Apple will either get a cut of their sales (that really high 30%) OR the other app developers will raise their prices to compensate, which I imagine will upset users and guess who's prices remain unchanged: Apple's iBooks.

I don't like the move, as it's ultimately bad for the consumer because that's who loses. You're either going to have to use Apple's inferior iBooks (and who knows what apps are next) or deal with slightly more expensive books in other apps because I doubt many of those other companies will be willing to lose 30% just because Apple says so.

It's moves like this that make it hard to support Apple. There's no denying they make great products, but at the same time, you hate giving your money to a company that you feel sort of strongarms you. Not to mention the stigma that comes with Apple products that you're a deuche, fanboy and/or idiot.

I second this ....
 
Anyone know if the browser works to read e-books on amazon? I had heard they were coming out with one...might be the solution if they do take the kindle app off it
 
Earlier people were expressing disbelief at how this could get Apple into legal trouble. I think those people were going down the wrong track. Remember when AT&T removed the unlimited plans for the iPad and a bunch of users sued because they said they were promised in advertising the ability to switch back and forth from the capped and unlimited plans as their needs changed from month to month? I don't know what happened with that lawsuit, but if this report about ereader apps is true, I can see something similar.

I waited for about six months to buy an iPad. The reason I bought an iPad is because I knew that I could buy books from Amazon to use on a Kindle app on that device. Now that I've purchased their product primarily because of that functionality, they want to turn around and remove that functionality? I do not see how Apple could avoid being sued if they have plans to go through with what has been reported.

The first indication I get that these reports are true, that Apple is going to render my $500 "magical device" virtually useless, I'm either selling the thing on eBay or looking to join a class action lawsuit. Same goes for my iPhone 4. Until then I'll be on standby for follow up.
 
As a huge Apple fanboy, I must say Apple needs to rethink this. I know the argument will be "this is no different from iTunes," but it is different. This feature has been allowed on apps for at least a year. You've got millions of iPads out there owned by people who bought them knowing they could buy books from Amazon through the Kindle app. I'm assuming it's the same for the B&N reader software, but I haven't used it.

If Apple all of a sudden cuts off the ability to buy books through the Kindle app, you'll probably see me buying one of those $139 Kindles instead. I've got a bunch of books I've bought through my iPhone Kindle app. I was waiting for iPad 2 to have an actual e-reader. I do NOT like the thought of this noose-tightening, and I won't buy an iPad if this happens.

If Apple pulls the plug on Kindle, that will REALLY hurt sales. I don't think Apple is that dumb, and this may be a misunderstanding by the media and us based on intricacies of software design. I hope so because this would be an epic fail.
 
Your point seems right. The real problem is likely that they are using a webview inside the app that buys content, instead of in some way syncing with existing content. The purchase is being made inside the app, which is misleading to consumers who buy a free app seeing that there are no in-app purchases and may assume that all parts of the app are free.

I think the rules are that an app without in-app purchases is supposed to be completely free after getting it from the app store. No purchases can be made inside the app unless they're through in-app purchases. Kindle gets around this by directing customers to use Safari to make purchases, and then later sync the content to the app. What I'm thinking Sony did was, and I could be easily wrong, is what zacheryjensen suggests.

If this is true then that would make sense, I would hate to see an app like Kindle getting banned as it is a cross platform reader which makes life easier.
 
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Notice that the New York Times article says clearly that Apple is letting companies know that 1. they cannot sell from within their app, AND 2. they cannot allow access to purchases outside the app.

If this is true, this would surely kill the Kindle app. A lot of people will be badly burned by this. I've never owned a Kindle, but have spent a considerable amount on kindle books on the reasonable expectation that they'd continue to work on the ipad/iPhone. One of the nicest things about the kindle is how purchases sync between instances of the kindle app over the cloud (including latest-read page). So, if you've been reading on your ipad, you can catch up on the iPhone at the busstop. Even if Amazon let apple take a percentage of sales (which seems unlikely) I don't see how this functionality would fit the new regulations.

What a horrible move. Hope it's not true...

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Apple doesn't need to rethink anything.

They can't stop people from buying stuff from a web site using a browser. They can stop App store apps from using a webview inside an app to buy stuff for that app.

They approve apps. They don't (can't) approve or disapprove of what web sites you visit and buy stuff from (unless your parents have enabled "adult" controls).

This isn't about using a webview. Buying Kindle books on the iPad requires the Kindle app to close, and the purchase happens within Safari. This new rule would prohibit apps from allowing users to access content and services that had been purchased elsewhere.

In theory this could block any paid service that has an app store presence, including streaming radio apps like Sirius, VOIP apps like Vonage (and the paid features of Skype), etc. All of these apps require a purchase that doesn't go through Apple.

Of course, I'm sure they'll only enforce the rule on apps that affect their business directly, like ebooks for now.

Edit: It seems that there's some confusion over whether they simply object to purchases made in a webview, or if they object to syncing with any third-party purchased content/services. The article indicates the latter.
 
I have been really disappointed. I like the iBooks application, but every time i've looked for a book on the store, it isn't there. I'm amazed they haven't done something about it. If the point of content is to sell more hardware, they either need to offer the content or let someone else do it.

I agree with you and same here with me. Not much choices in iBooks, so I end up buying those items with Amazon thru Kindle.

If this is where Apple is leading to, I guess the total great experience is gone.

Better hold on that iPad 2.
 
The rule in Apple's guidelines states:

"Apps utilizing a system other than the In App Purchase API (IAP) to purchase content, functionality, or services in an app will be rejected"

content is being purchased here (books).

Although, the content is not being purchased "in an app" (as the Kindle Store button merely opens up Safari).

It would simply come down to how pedantic Apple is over interpreting this rule.

IMO if the App simply opens up Safari (as Kindle currently does) then no rule is violated. Apple could change this in the future (especially with the upcoming announcement of "The Daily" and similar publications and Apple exploring different payment structures).

I've personally avoided the iBookstore purely because I feel that it's too restricted. You can't read the books on a computer (not even a Mac!) and I only have an iPhone which isn't always the best for reading a book. I had bought a few books from the Kindle Store because I could use them on my computers and my iPhone. I ended up buying a Kindle last week and I'm really pleased. I really don't think you're gaining anything when you buy a book on the iBookstore vs. Kindle (assuming Amazon can sell it) even if you only have an iPad or iPhone.
 
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If they are going to remove the Kindle app, then I hope they get on with it so us worthless customers know where we stand. No Kindle app means no iPad purchase for me, and serious consideration about giving up on the iPhone too.
 
Anyone surprised!? :rolleyes:

FFS if they don't allow you to view entire web why on earth would they allow you to purchases anything outside the app store?

iDevices are technically great products but politics and business decisions behind them are equal to virtual prison and worse kind of dictatorship!
 
The rule in Apple's guidelines states:

"Apps utilizing a system other than the In App Purchase API (IAP) to purchase content, functionality, or services in an app will be rejected"
content is being purchased here (books).
Although, the content is not being purchased "in an app" (as the Kindle Store button merely opens up Safari).
It would simply come down to how pedantic Apple is over interpreting this rule.
This all reminds me of the brouhaha around publishers and subscriptions.
http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/01/23/apples-bet-on-publishing/

If this is really the way Apple is going with iOS (and possibly later with OSX), then I'll start to look elsewhere for the first time in 20+ years. Android 3.0 Honeycomb doesn't look that bad, really.

BTW, to those who say Apple is right in doing this, they deserve to be paid, etc., I reply: of course you're right about this - but I want to get my iPad for free then.
 
This new rule would prohibit apps from allowing users to access content and services that had been purchased elsewhere.

And exactly how can they tell whether I've purchased content elsewhere?

It could be a free book. Or I book I wrote. Or content I stole. Or was given to me as a gift. They don't know. They don't know whether I paid for something to get posted on twitter or some facebook blackmail photos. They can't stop any of that without stopping most apps from accessing any and all web content. That would kill the App store. And they're really smart enough not to kill that particular cash cow.

Sony app, now that they can kill. Easy.
 
I am tired for paying high prices for anything other than the app itself in Apple's world. Movies? Over priced. Books? Over priced. TV programmes? Over priced. Audio books? Over priced.

If prices continue as they do then I for one will not embrace Apple's vision for the future. I mean, they are distributing media via the cheapest method possible and yet demand the highest prices.

Their vision is a good one; their greed will be its failure. :mad:
 
Whaaaat!!! That Amazon and Sony want to sell stuff TAX-FREE through the iPad, and that stuff is in direct competition with Apple's!!! No way!! Amazon is better off than Apple in terms of books offer for sure, but if they want to sell more books, they should then try to make an e-reader that sells better. As simple as that. In the meantime, Apple has the RIGHT to catch up in terms of book offer, and build a better iBook store. It would be completely stupid from Apple to open the door. Never heard that Kindle were an open platform?
 
This is wrong...

Hang on this doesn't sound right. Th outside world has gone crazy in the past because of apple's supposed clearance policy and we've been wrong. I don't think that apple have disallowed in-app purchases like this because there are SO many apps that you can purchase content through. An example is kindle but a BETTER example is "X comics". Through this app you can buy and download comics straight from the app.

I EXPEXT that sony have tried to bypass the 30% payment to apple and thats why it is being rejected. Why would apple stop the sony reader? What is in it for them?
 
All the books I have are through Kindle - the iBook store is overpriced and understocked.

After I got my MBA the iPad became less critical to me, but still a nice to have in a business environment.

However, if the Kindle app goes then my iPad goes - its too damn expensive to only be a gateway to buy more Apple products, and see some of the web.
 
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