Apple Releases Boot Camp 1.2

[dude-x]

Digitimes not DigitTimes, I know you probably didn't mean to mistype.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2595

http://digitimes.com/systems/a20070322PD214.html

Someone at Apple got fired for leaking the October bit*. Or DigiTimes is trying to increase ad revenue by making **** up.

*Apple is very secretive and likes to use disinformation to find leaks.

 

[thesnowman16]

Someone at Apple got fired for leaking the October bit. Or DigiTimes is trying to increase ad revenue by making **** up.

Personaly I think the whole october thing was total bull.

 

[AidenShaw]

Originally Posted by waynergy
How about 64-bit Vista?

It's not supported according to Apple...

"Support for Windows Vista (32-bit)"

This is pure anti-competitive BS from Apple - Apple just doesn't want to be embarrassed by letting Vista be the first true 64-bit Operating System on MacIntels.

 

[AidenShaw]

Recall [that] Windows environments are wildly more varied then your typical Mac OS X environment so...

This argument is nonsense, because the Windows environment is an Apple-built machine.

It is no more or less varied than the OSX environment on the same Mac.

 

[ericthered]

This update also seems to have fixed my printer issues.

Thanx apple

 

[Peace]

This is pure anti-competitive BS from Apple - Apple just doesn't want to be embarrassed by letting Vista be the first 64-bit Operating System on MacIntels.

Now.Now Aiden.I've used Vista-64 beta on an iMac before..
No big deal..
These Windows drivers can be done fast.

Apple just decided to make these websites predicting a delay of Leopard due to bootcamp look dumb.

Apple succeeded.

 

[digitalbiker]

This is pure anti-competitive BS from Apple - Apple just doesn't want to be embarrassed by letting Vista be the first 64-bit Operating System on MacIntels.

Aiden,

Why would Vista 64 bit be any more difficult to support than 32 bit as a second boot option?

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Boot camp just a boot loader?

Can't I install any OS that supports the intel chipset for that machine under Boot Camp?

For example; can't I load Red Hat Enterprise 4 as the second boot option? and can't I use the 64 bit kernel?

I really would like to know as I am hoping to buy a new octo mac pro if and /when it is released, I will need to load Red Hat Enterprise 4 64 bit and Vista 64 bit as alternate boot options for custom software. Won't this work. I don't see why not as long as I am able to come up with the proper drivers.

 

[MonksMac]

Windows XP doesn't run too bad on my Mini.

 

[Eidorian]

Aiden,

Why would Vista 64 bit be any more difficult to support than 32 bit as a second boot option?

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Boot camp just a boot loader?

Can't I install any OS that supports the intel chipset for that machine under Boot Camp?

For example; can't I load Red Hat Enterprise 4 as the second boot option? and can't I use the 64 bit kernel?

I really would like to know as I am hoping to buy a new octo mac pro if and /when it is released, I will need to load Red Hat Enterprise 4 64 bit and Vista 64 bit as alternate boot options for custom software. Won't this work. I don't see why not as long as I am able to come up with the proper drivers.

I believe that 10.4.6 introduced the BIOS emulation to EFI. Boot Camp itself is nothing more then a live drive partitioner and a driver burning disc application. So it's the OS update that's a tad bit more important.

 

[AidenShaw]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Boot camp just a boot loader?

No, it also includes Windows drivers for the Apple hardware. It's a boot loader, plus the run-time driver support for the Apple configuration and options like the "single button" trackpad, Isight, and other differences between an Apple and a real Intel PC.

Why would Vista 64 bit be any more difficult to support than 32 bit as a second boot option?

You have to "check the button" to build 64-drivers as well as 32-bit drivers, and make an installer that knows what to do.

As for the Linuxes, you have to hope that the standard drivers for the various components like video and networking match the way Apple implemented them.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

This is pure anti-competitive BS from Apple - Apple just doesn't want to be embarrassed by letting Vista be the first 64-bit Operating System on MacIntels.

Actually, Tiger was the first 64-bit OS on an Intel Mac. With the release of the Mac Pro last year.

 

[0098386]

Had a bit of a scare. Installed the new drivers (for some reason I love updating things...), restarted and the iMac crashed when the XP boot up graphic fades in. Happened twice. Thought "oh... b****cks" and started to worry. Turns out I left the Bootcamp driver CD still in! Don't know if it was that causing it to hang, but I ejected it and it booted fine.

No probs here so far. It's all honkey dory.

 

[digitalbiker]

No, it also includes Windows drivers for the Apple hardware. It's a boot loader, plus the run-time driver support for the Apple configuration and options like the "single button" trackpad, Isight, and other differences between an Apple and a real Intel PC.

You have to "check the button" to build 64-drivers as well as 32-bit drivers, and make an installer that knows what to do.

As for the Linuxes, you have to hope that the standard drivers for the various components like video and networking match the way Apple implemented them.

Still sounds pretty trival for Apple to allow 64 bit support.

So now I have another question for the forum.

Does anyone have Red Hat Linux, any flavor, running as a second option under boot camp?

As I understand it, Parallels supports Red Hat through virtualization but does anyone have a current Mac Pro running Red Hat, XP or Vista, and OS X natively under boot camp?

 

[BillyShears]

Other OSes under Boot Camp

Still sounds pretty trival for Apple to allow 64 bit support.

So now I have another question for the forum.

Does anyone have Red Hat Linux, any flavor, running as a second option under boot camp?

As I understand it, Parallels supports Red Hat through virtualization but does anyone have a current Mac Pro running Red Hat, XP or Vista, and OS X natively under boot camp?

I have heard of that, and Wikipedia confirms. Not sure about running a second OS X, though.

 

[Eidorian]

Ubuntu supports pretty much everything short of the iSight in my iMac. I get support for everything even the Apple Keyboard on my Mac mini.

The partitioner doesn't seem to like my hard drive though. It'll wipe the entire drive just fine but I can never seem to get it to install on the free partition I've created for it.

 

[BillyShears]

October Rumour still uncertain

DigiTimes October Rumour says it will be an "integrated version" of Boot Camp.

Apple's Boot Camp website says Leopard will "include" Boot Camp.

DigiTimes could be alluding to the (old, kind of wacky) rumour of an integrated virtualization -- something like VMWare or WINE or Parallels. If so, this release doesn't discredit it entirely.

Also, isn't the version numbering odd? Have they released a non-beta version yet? But they keep moving up the version number -- we've had 1.1 beta and 1.2 beta without having a 1.0 beta. Could be they are going to release 2.0 with Leopard, which would have new features? Wild speculation.

 

[AidenShaw]

Retraction

Actually, Tiger was the first 64-bit OS on an Intel Mac. With the release of the Mac Pro last year.

Thanks to Eudorian for pointing out that the "command line 64-bit" support was included on Intel from 10.4.7 or .8.

There is *no* 64-bit support in Intel 10.4. (Where "64-bit support" means application 64-bit virtual addressing, of course.)

Very lame 64-bit for PPC, but *none* for Intel.

Apple's ads scream "64-bit processor", but they don't mention that only 32-bit software is available.

Check the docs (http://www.apple.com/server/documentation/).​

 

[akac]

I don't see how this affects VM other than simply being more attractive. Considering the price of Parallels, this is a better option, since you get don't have to divvy up the resources for each OS.

All of the boot camp iterations were stop gaps to Leopard. Being the one app in OS X to provide the best of both worlds it requires lots of product testing. So far Bootcamp has been fantastic for me. A finished product will no doubt be simply supoib.

It affects a VM if the VM uses the BootCamp partition to boot up So far, it seems to be fine.

 

[Eidorian]

There is *no* 64-bit support in Intel 10.4. (Where "64-bit support" means application 64-bit virtual addressing, of course.)

Very lame 64-bit for PPC, but *none* for Intel.

Apple's ads scream "64-bit processor", but they don't mention that only 32-bit software is available.

Check the docs (http://www.apple.com/server/documentation/).

Tiger does support 64-bit addressing. It's limited to command line applications though.

 

[akac]

DigiTimes October Rumour says it will be an "integrated version" of Boot Camp.

Apple's Boot Camp website says Leopard will "include" Boot Camp.

DigiTimes could be alluding to the (old, kind of wacky) rumour of an integrated virtualization -- something like VMWare or WINE or Parallels. If so, this release doesn't discredit it entirely.

Also, isn't the version numbering odd? Have they released a non-beta version yet? But they keep moving up the version number -- we've had 1.1 beta and 1.2 beta without having a 1.0 beta. Could be they are going to release 2.0 with Leopard, which would have new features? Wild speculation.

DigiTimes has NEVER been right about anything. So not only can you ignore anything they have to say but you can go the complete opposite of what they say and probably be closer to the truth. Apple won't do WINE and I doubt they'll touch virtualization for awhile.

 

[aafuss1]

I find it funny that Apple Remote supports a rival to iTunes-Windows Media Player in XP or Vista.

 

[justflie]

I find it funny that Apple Remote supports a rival to iTunes-Windows Media Player in XP or Vista.

Of course not. Apple wouldn't want to be sued for monopolistic practices like a certain other company. Not that the remote use would be the final nail in the coffin by any means, but it would go in the case against them. Does anyone actually use Media Player to organize their media anyways? Everyone I know uses Winamp or iTunes in windows.

 

[TigerPRO]

whoaa, is today October?

Your right, and that story was totally rediculous wasn't it.

 

[DeepIn2U]

But I'll be keeping Vi$ta well away from my nice shiny MBP when I get it. I've just spent the last two days (and I ain't done yet) setting up a Vista laptop for a relative and I now feel physically sick as a direct result.

SL

Dude I feel your pain.

 

[toysblack]

what about XP more than 2GB support

Hi,
I just installed the new drivers from bootcamp 1.2 b on XP 32-bit
I thought that the Chipset drivers or something will help to recognize the whole RAM on our Macpros ( 4GB) but it doesn't...
Does somebody know a way to do that ? We have huge 3D scenes to render, and 2 more GB will be useful !

Florian.