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Apple today released Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 3.10, bringing RAW image support to Aperture and iPhoto for a number of new cameras.
This update adds RAW image compatibility for the following cameras to Aperture 3 and iPhoto '11:

- Canon PowerShot G1 X
- Nikon D4
- Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GX1
- Panasonic LUMIX DMC-FZ35
- Panasonic LUMIX DMC-FZ38
- Samsung NX200
- Sony Alpha NEX-7
- Sony NEX-VG20
Full details on RAW support are included in an Apple support document.

Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 3.10 weighs in at 7.50 MB and requires Mac OS X 10.6.8 or OS X 10.7.1 or later.

Article Link: Apple Releases Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 3.10
 

mentholiptus

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Nikon D800?

Anyone know about Aperture support for the new Nikon D800? Mine is supposed to be here next wednesday, unless it ships earlier.
 

Analog Kid

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I've been told that D800 Nef support is coming with Aperture 4 :(

Ok, either that's really good news because Aperture 4 will be released Monday, or it sucks because I'll have a camera incompatible with my software until it is released.

I wonder if the delay relative to the D4 is difference in product release dates or if the resolution of the D800 images are going to be a burden on the current processing pipeline and they need to wait for a major rev to support it...

Edit: should have asked "told by whom?"
Edit2: is see Aperture supports Hasselblad images, the D800 resolution isn't the problem. Anybody using Aperture with medium format?
 

slierow

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D800 Support

I'm surprised that D4 support is already available. It usually takes a few months after a new camera comes out before Apple offers a RAW update to support it. It seams to me that Nikon may now be giving Apple the RAW decode information directly, instead of Apple having to reverse engineer it. If thats the case hopefully D800 support will come sooner then later. With one of my other Nikons, I forget which one, I had to wait about 3 months before I could use the RAW directly in Aperture. During that time I shot in RAW + JPG so that I could use the jpgs immediately, and had the RAWs to use once Apple updated the RAW support. This time, I would just convert it in Capture NX then bring it into Aperture.

I don't know why Apple would wait for Aperture 4 to update the RAW information since its used system wide, and not just within Aperture. Unless Aperture 4 is coming out in a few months, which would make sense since Aperture 3 has been out for about 18 months.

Aperture 3 handles Medium format files pretty well, as long as you have a plethora of RAM. So I can't see the file size of the D800 being much of an issue.
 

parkds

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The lack of RAW support for the Nikon D800 in this update is definitely a bit worrisome. With the release date of the D4 and D800 being so close to each other, I am surprised the D4 made the cut but the D800 did not. I really hope this does not end up being a long wait, but I have little hope for an update before the camera's launch in 7 days.
 
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slierow

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The lack of RAW support for the Nikon D800 in this update is definitely a bit worrisome. With the release date of the D4 and D800 being so close to each other, I am surprised the D4 made the cut but the D800 did not. I really hope this does not end up being a long wait, but I have little hope for an update before the camera's launch in 7 days.

I doubt support will come that quickly. Keep in mind that the D4 is shipping almost a month late. Had it shipped in Feb. there wouldn't have been Apple RAW support for it until now.

I did find it interesting that Randy Ubillos was showing images he shot with a Nikon D300s at the iPad launch event. Apple is typically more Canon oriented. Maybe it's a sign that Apple and Nikon are on better terms these days. But I'm probably reading too much into it.
 

vjl323

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Canon EOS?

Surprised that the EOS-1D X and the newly announced EOS 5D Mark III aren't included. Both are coming very soon [end of this month and early April]. Canon and Apple have worked together before to make sure RAW support was released for their DSLRs very close to the camera's debut.
 

sapporobaby

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I'm surprised that D4 support is already available. It usually takes a few months after a new camera comes out before Apple offers a RAW update to support it. It seams to me that Nikon may now be giving Apple the RAW decode information directly, instead of Apple having to reverse engineer it. If thats the case hopefully D800 support will come sooner then later. With one of my other Nikons, I forget which one, I had to wait about 3 months before I could use the RAW directly in Aperture. During that time I shot in RAW + JPG so that I could use the jpgs immediately, and had the RAWs to use once Apple updated the RAW support. This time, I would just convert it in Capture NX then bring it into Aperture.

I don't know why Apple would wait for Aperture 4 to update the RAW information since its used system wide, and not just within Aperture. Unless Aperture 4 is coming out in a few months, which would make sense since Aperture 3 has been out for about 18 months.

Aperture 3 handles Medium format files pretty well, as long as you have a plethora of RAM. So I can't see the file size of the D800 being much of an issue.

Shhhhhh.... Don't let them hear you that D4 RAW support is out so soon. :) Mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow and my D800 next week. Fingers crossed.
 

slierow

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Awesome! My D800 will be on order as soon as etrade transfers the profit I made off AAPL last month, which is taking a long time. If I can order it tomorrow maybe I'll have it by Christmas. RAW support should be out by then.
 

flynndean

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Nice to see my DMC-GX1 in that list. I've been waiting for this for a few months.
 

Nicky G

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Lightroom 4 is awesome. Only $149 now. And supports the D800. Mine should arrive from B&H in the first batch (I ordered about 2 hours after they started taking orders, in the middle of the night... don't ask).
 

Analog Kid

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During that time I shot in RAW + JPG so that I could use the jpgs immediately, and had the RAWs to use once Apple updated the RAW support. This time, I would just convert it in Capture NX then bring it into Aperture.
I'm new to Capture NX2 (recently installed it but haven't used it much because I'm not all that thrilled with the interface, but it may be the bridge to D800 data).

How well does it interact with Aperture? Obviously they won't share edit lists but CNX2 emits a NEF file that contains the CNX2 edit list-- will those edits survive a pass through Aperture? In other words, is it possible to keep one NEF that both applications reference?

Probably off topic, sorry...
 

screammacabre

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I'm new to Capture NX2 (recently installed it but haven't used it much because I'm not all that thrilled with the interface, but it may be the bridge to D800 data).

How well does it interact with Aperture? Obviously they won't share edit lists but CNX2 emits a NEF file that contains the CNX2 edit list-- will those edits survive a pass through Aperture? In other words, is it possible to keep one NEF that both applications reference?

Probably off topic, sorry...

It's easy enough to reference a RAW file in Aperture to keep it in any location you would like, but I don't think that edits to the RAW image would translate to adjustments in Aperture. I could be wrong on this, and I'm sure some one smarter then I will correct me if I am. The work around would be to export out an edited Tiff from Capture NX and import it into Aperture but it would become a new second image (Master) separate from the RAW file. Basically I'd use it as a bandaid if needed for basic edits until Aperture gets full D800 RAW support.
 

cambox

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Oh Oh this could be the beginning end of Aperture as a pro app? No D800 support? The biggest jump in cameras from Nikon ever and there is no support? I wonder how many D800 users will wait for Apple to get in gear before they decide enough waiting I'm jumping ship to light Room 4 which is already out. Imagine buying a car and you could only use two gears?? perhaps if Apple didn't dedicate all there efforts in one direction i.e. iOS then maybe we would get the pro apps worked on in good time.

Thanks again Apple, stuff those who have been with you the longest and supported you.. Can you now support us or would that dent the 100 Billion in reserve?
 

Chundles

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Oh Oh this could be the beginning end of Aperture as a pro app? No D800 support? The biggest jump in cameras from Nikon ever and there is no support? I wonder how many D800 users will wait for Apple to get in gear before they decide enough waiting I'm jumping ship to light Room 4 which is already out. Imagine buying a car and you could only use two gears?? perhaps if Apple didn't dedicate all there efforts in one direction i.e. iOS then maybe we would get the pro apps worked on in good time.

Thanks again Apple, stuff those who have been with you the longest and supported you.. Can you now support us or would that dent the 100 Billion in reserve?

What? The D4 is Nikon's King Camera at the moment, not the D800.

And it's up to the manufacturer to provide the SDK to Apple for development of RAW support.
 

cambox

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What? The D4 is Nikon's King Camera at the moment, not the D800.

And it's up to the manufacturer to provide the SDK to Apple for development of RAW support.

How do you figure that one out? By volume sales? By Megapixles? In both Counts it isn't king. Where do you get this idea from? I use the D3s and although until this week was the flagship model by your definition, its not the best selling. Numbers are the key and if Nikon and Apple are only supporting the lesser D4 ( in sales) then that says a lot about Apple and Nikon dissing their customer base. In most cases of manufacture or marketing you always have a ''Flagship'' model, but in reality this could be a loss making exercise just so you have something that stands out from the crowd. Basic marketing! I'm not saying the D3s isn't a very good camera it is.. But so is/was the D700 and many moe of these were sold.

If Apple were serious about having Aperture as its ''Flagship'' photo software then they wouldn't wait for Nikon to send them the SDK. So yet again the populist users must wait for the slow slow Apple to make its mind up where it wants to be.. A serious contender in photo apps? Or a bystander as the competition such as Lightroom 4 which has the D800 raw support. So who is kidding who?
 

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cambox said:
What? The D4 is Nikon's King Camera at the moment, not the D800.

And it's up to the manufacturer to provide the SDK to Apple for development of RAW support.

How do you figure that one out? By volume sales? By Megapixles? In both Counts it isn't king. Where do you get this idea from? I use the D3s and although until this week was the flagship model by your definition, its not the best selling. Numbers are the key and if Nikon and Apple are only supporting the lesser D4 ( in sales) then that says a lot about Apple and Nikon dissing their customer base. In most cases of manufacture or marketing you always have a ''Flagship'' model, but in reality this could be a loss making exercise just so you have something that stands out from the crowd. Basic marketing! I'm not saying the D3s isn't a very good camera it is.. But so is/was the D700 and many moe of these were sold.

If Apple were serious about having Aperture as its ''Flagship'' photo software then they wouldn't wait for Nikon to send them the SDK. So yet again the populist users must wait for the slow slow Apple to make its mind up where it wants to be.. A serious contender in photo apps? Or a bystander as the competition such as Lightroom 4 which has the D800 raw support. So who is kidding who?

How would you figure that Apple could offer RAW support for a camera with out Nikon giving them the any information or without having a production D800 to test against?
 
:( All this talk of peoplegetting D4's and D800's makes CBBuk a very sad boy :(

Its gonna be better than Xmas if the same people are picking up the new iPad too! Enjoy!!!! the D4 is a quality piece of photographic loveliness. I have the D700 but boy is Nikon really taken it to the next level with both the D4 D800. Sahame the 5Dmkiii missed the awesomeness boat!:D
 

rhett7660

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Ok, either that's really good news because Aperture 4 will be released Monday, or it sucks because I'll have a camera incompatible with my software until it is released.

I wonder if the delay relative to the D4 is difference in product release dates or if the resolution of the D800 images are going to be a burden on the current processing pipeline and they need to wait for a major rev to support it...

Edit: should have asked "told by whom?"
Edit2: is see Aperture supports Hasselblad images, the D800 resolution isn't the problem. Anybody using Aperture with medium format?

???
 

cambox

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How would you figure that Apple could offer RAW support for a camera with out Nikon giving them the any information or without having a production D800 to test against?

Sorry I cant understand your question? Are you saying Apple cannot do anything without Nikon giving them the SDK? Is that what you are saying? Read what my post says.. The SDK is already out there hence why Adobe has the D800 already sorted in Lightroom4. This begs the question of why if Adobe has it why doesn't Apple, or If Apple has it why hasn't it been released for Aperture.

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:( All this talk of peoplegetting D4's and D800's makes CBBuk a very sad boy :(

Its gonna be better than Xmas if the same people are picking up the new iPad too! Enjoy!!!! the D4 is a quality piece of photographic loveliness. I have the D700 but boy is Nikon really taken it to the next level with both the D4 D800. Sahame the 5Dmkiii missed the awesomeness boat!:D

Go play with your toys little boy.
 

slierow

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Sorry I cant understand your question? Are you saying Apple cannot do anything without Nikon giving them the SDK? Is that what you are saying? Read what my post says.. The SDK is already out there hence why Adobe has the D800 already sorted in Lightroom4. This begs the question of why if Adobe has it why doesn't Apple, or If Apple has it why hasn't it been released for Aperture.

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Go play with your toys little boy.

That's exactly my question. Reading your post again, as you asked, your statement was, "If Apple were serious about having Aperture as its ''Flagship'' photo software then they wouldn't wait for Nikon to send them the SDK."

I'm wondering how they could develop RAW support for a Camera with out waiting for the SDK, or the production model camera to reverse engineer the RAW data.

I can't speculate as to whether or not they have the SDK already. They very well may. I also can't deny that Adobe doesn't have more vested interest in photography software since it's their core business. Non-OS based software is not Apple's core business.

Apple makes some pretty amazing software as far as I'm concerned. I enjoy using Aperture, but the price sometimes is having to wait a while for RAW support when a new camera is released. I had to wait about three months for Aperture to support my D300. It was a pain in the ass. I don't think that it will take Apple three months this time to support the D800. RAW support for the D4 came about a month after it was supposed to be released. I've been training Aperture for five years and have been through many issues with customer upgrades to new gear not being immediately available in Aperture. It's nothing new.

The down side of Lightroom is that, as far as I'm aware, you have to upgrade to Lightroom 4 to get D800 support. Because Apple's RAW support is system wide, instead of a specific application, It will generally work with previous versions of Aperture, iPhoto, Preview etc, with out having to upgrade. Thats not always the case, but for the most part it's true. Lightroom, from what I've been told, is great software. In the end you pick which tool works best for you and understand the limitations and risks of each.
 

Analog Kid

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If D800 support does indeed need to wait for Aperture 4 (and I don't suspect that it does, but someone made that assertion) then that means one of two things: either Aperture 4 arrives before the D800 (like the RAW update arrived before the D4) in which case we get a new camera and new software and it's Christmas in March, or Aperture 4 arrives after the D800 in which case life sucks because we have a new camera but have to muck up our whole workflow to use it.
 
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