Apple Releases iTunes 10.5.1 Beta 3 for More iTunes Match Testing

[Sahib7]

The limit is 25,000 (tracks purchased on iTunes or tracks that can be Matched with iTunes don't count against your 25,000 limit)

Ahh, so every song that can be matched with the iTunes library does not count against that limit.
Hmm, then it looks like iTunes Match might work for me.

What happens if you reach that limit? Can you chose the songs to upload and the songs to ignore?


Edit:

Are you sure on that one: "tracks that can be Matched with iTunes don't count against your 25,000 limit"?

 

[saving107]

Edit:

Are you sure on that one: "tracks that can be Matched with iTunes don't count against your 25,000 limit"?

Sorry, I just re-read that and only tracks that have been purchased on iTunes will not count against your limit, songs that you own and get matched with iTunes do count against your 25,000 song limit.

 

[luzlol]

So they basically have a bit rate minimum? And if your song don't pass, then they won't be upgraded?

i simply unconverted such songs, then they got matched and i deleted all the "low-bitrate" versions for these 256 kbps ones =)

 

[louiek]

I wonder if the record labels will try putting some kind of digital signature into music and putting it into torrents. Then when people try to match it, they'll have all your contact details to send you a very polite letter about a court date. I just can't believe they'll sit back and let you essentially launder pirated content on the basis that them getting something ($25) is better than nothing.

 

[saving107]

I wonder if the record labels will try putting some kind of digital signature into music and putting it into torrents. Then when people try to match it, they'll have all your contact details to send you a very polite letter about a court date.

That sounds like DRM, which Apple claims it won't have any.

all the music iTunes matches plays back from iCloud at 256-Kbps AAC DRM-free quality — even if your original copy was of lower quality.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/whats-new/

 

[Jerome Morrow]

I used a gift card.

But you also have US CC on file.

 

[unlinked]

What do you mean? There's no way to tell the difference between something you ripped and something you acquired.

There is a difference between an amnesty and getting away with something.

 

[kingledley]

Sorry, I just re-read that and only tracks that have been purchased on iTunes will not count against your limit, songs that you own and get matched with iTunes do count against your 25,000 song limit.

This is the problem for me. I was hoping that the limit just applied to the first few betas, but it's looking like it will be for the public release too.

 

[louiek]

That sounds like DRM, which Apple claims it won't have any.


http://www.apple.com/itunes/whats-new/

Sure, the matched music you GET won't have DRM, but what's to stop them using this to catch people who try to match music that has been tagged as pirated.

 

[TheIntruder]

Column Browser bug

Can someone who's using the new beta verify if this bug still exists in the column browser:

1) Select an item in a column to give the pane focus.

2) Press a letter to do an alphabetical jump. This should highlight the first item in the list that begins with letter pressed, and select it.

3) Use the mouse, and attempt to scroll the list.

In previous versions (10.3 for sure; I jumped directly to 10.5), the Finder, and elsewhere in the OS, the list should just scroll as expected, beginning from the selection point arrived at through the key press.

However, I've found that in 10.5, what happens is that while the selection remains intact, trying to scroll with the mouse causes iTunes to lose visual focus and scroll from the very top of the list. Using the keyboard arrows will scroll up and down as expected, but use the mouse, and iTunes completely loses the plot. It's as if it's treating the mouse and keyboard as discrete input modes.

To illustrate:

-Click in the column pane to select it; the "All" item at the top of the list is selected and highlighted.

-Press a key to jump to say, artists beginning with "P"

-It jumps to and highlights "Peter Gabriel," the first one in my library that matches.

-However, I want to select "Peter Murphy," so I attempt to use the mouse to scroll down.

-But, instead of scrolling down, from "Peter Gabriel" as expected, it jumps to the top of the list and scrolls down from there.

-If I use the down arrow, it works as expected.


I just need to know whether I still need to file the bug.

 

[the8thark]

One Step closer to making our iOS devices PC Free.

With iOS cot the cord, iOS devices are PCs. So you're saying iOS devices are one step closer to being free from themselves?

 

[BlackMangoTree]

Though we'll have to wait to find out for sure, my impression was that once the AAC files were downloaded, they were never "recalled"

So that amounts to $25 to instantly rip all your CD collection and any less than honorable MP3s you have and convert them to 256kbit AAC.

What happens when you quit after one year? We'll see I guess.

356 AAC vs a high bit-rate MP3 like Lame V0 will be almost impossible to tell apart.

 

[nmork]

So, in theory I could match my library, delete the local files, and re-download them from iCloud to upgrade everything to 256kbps? Or will it automatically upgrade my local files?

Also: is metadata affected at all when songs get matched? is it at least optional to have match fix my metadata?

 

[Defender2010]

I used a gift card.

Did u have credit in your iTunes account? Did it take the $24.99 from there?
Interested as I am a dev, but in the uk. I do have $30 credit in my US iTunes account though


I can confirm to UK users that iTunes credit on a US account does not work, unless you have a US credit card attached to the account, then it will take the store credit to pay for it, assuming it thinks the next years payment will come from the credit card. You can however delete the attached credit card after the "Match" is made.

 

[cjmillsnun]

That sounds like DRM, which Apple claims it won't have any.


http://www.apple.com/itunes/whats-new/

No it is not DRM... It is similar to currently purchased iTunes music and includes your email and name in the file. You can move it around from computer to computer freely, but the original purchaser can be identified.

 

[milo]

Any other improvements in this update?

Better handling of libraries over 25k files? Any way to exclude files or playlists (to keep the number down or otherwise)?

Lyrics support yet? Any way to sync after Match is enabled for devices? Or at least does it load devices from your local copy of songs when you're home instead of downloading them from the internet over and over?

That's what puzzles me as well: do we "rent" the music for one year, or do we get to keep it indefinitely even after we stopped paying the $25 iTunes Match fee.

This has been answered many times. Any file downloaded stays on your machine. No DRM so there's no way to "recall" the files.

I wonder if the record labels will try putting some kind of digital signature into music and putting it into torrents. Then when people try to match it, they'll have all your contact details to send you a very polite letter about a court date. I just can't believe they'll sit back and let you essentially launder pirated content on the basis that them getting something ($25) is better than nothing.

I can't imagine Apple would agree to that. If that happened once word got out it would put Match out of business (and put all of iCloud at risk).

So, in theory I could match my library, delete the local files, and re-download them from iCloud to upgrade everything to 256kbps? Or will it automatically upgrade my local files?

Also: is metadata affected at all when songs get matched? is it at least optional to have match fix my metadata?

Delete and download, it doesn't replace the files automatically. Sounds like your metadata is preserved although Lyrics haven't been included before.

 

[Kyllle]

After buying this service, what's to stop people from simply converting youtube songs to mp3s, then having itunes match upconvert them to 256kbps?

Doesn't this negate the need to buy music from iTunes after you pay your $25/year?

Or does your one year only count for the songs you have right when you pay for the service? And you can't update your iTunes match library until the next year when you pay again?

 

[musicloverz3]

Hey guys, I have a question. Let's say that I subscribe to iTunes Match. What about songs that I want to add later, after iTunes Match matches all my music. Would I be able to match them?

 

[rdlink]

Does this fix the main problem of itunes sucking on Windows and Mac?

There's already an app for that. It's called uninstall. Then you're free to use one of the many fantastic iTunes replacement products that will help you manage your music very easily, allow you to buy multiple media types with a click of the button, play your media across many devices throughout your home, organize your audiobooks and play them, and synch your songs, movies, tv shows, audiobooks, podcasts, ringtones, photos and documents to your mobile devices either wired or wirelessly, all with very little effort. There is a full list of those wonderful apps below:

 

[Kyllle]

Hey guys, I have a question. Let's say that I subscribe to iTunes Match. What about songs that I want to add later, after iTunes Match matches all my music. Would I be able to match them?

Yeah that's what I was wondering. Seems like it would be too easy to just stop buying music after you get iTunes match if it lets you continue matching songs.

 

[NazgulRR]

Would it be possible to just stream the music from what you have matched on your iCloud in iTunes?

Example:
Let's say I keep my iTunes music files on an external drive and I have everything matched to iCloud. When I have the external drive plugged into my MBP, iTunes would play the files from it, but when I have it disconnected, iTunes would stream (but now download!) 256k from Apple's servers (while keeping your playlists etc. intact).

Has anyone tried this before with beta?

 

[mceolsen]

Update iTunes Match

Yup - there's an "Update iTunes Match" option once you already have it enabled. This allows you to add new music to your library, and then update the iTunes Match version.

 

[D.T.]

Hey guys, I have a question. Let's say that I subscribe to iTunes Match. What about songs that I want to add later, after iTunes Match matches all my music. Would I be able to match them?

I'd assume it runs as a service monitoring your library and any imports/adds fire off a match for the new content.

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Oops! Got answered just before I posted

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Is there an option for "copy local" to iOS devices? i.e., not streaming from the cloud, but storing the content locally?

 

[mceolsen]

Would it be possible to just stream the music from what you have matched on your iCloud in iTunes?

Example:
Let's say I keep my iTunes music files on an external drive and I have everything matched to iCloud. When I have the external drive plugged into my MBP, iTunes would play the files from it, but when I have it disconnected, iTunes would stream (but now download!) 256k from Apple's servers (while keeping your playlists etc. intact).

Has anyone tried this before with beta?

Nope, it's not a streaming service. BUT, when you want to play something that you don't have downloaded, it will start playing at the same time that it's downloading, giving the impression of streaming. It will download the whole file though.

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I'd assume it runs as a service monitoring your library and any imports/adds fire off a match for the new content.

[edit]

Oops! Got answered just before I posted

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Is there an option for "copy local" to iOS devices? i.e., not streaming from the cloud, but storing the content locally?

Would be a lot better if it did it on it's own though! Automatically updating when you add new music would be nice.

 

[rdlink]

There is a difference between an amnesty and getting away with something.

You're right. But don't you think that the music companies went into this eyes wide open? Apple changed the way they do business 10 years ago, and saved their business from their own stupidity, honestly.

In this instance, Jobs sat across the room from them and told them that it was their chance to recoup some residuals for music that was already stolen, and which they were never going to recover on otherwise. It's kind of like a box on the outside of a convenience store where people who have been stealing candy bars can drop a quarter in as they pass by. They thieves get to keep the candy bars without worrying about getting prosecuted, and the store gets some gravy.

And to the person who asked why they couldn't just steal the songs from Youtube and match that way, thereby continuing to get "free" music, why not just pay for the frigging music? It's only 99 cents per song, for Jesus' sake!

I have no love lost for the RIAA, but think about the other people you affect when you steal music. Artists, engineers and just plain working class stiffs. Not to mention the ramifications of stealing anything of value. I truly hope you don't get victimized this way by thieves in your line of work.

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Would it be possible to just stream the music from what you have matched on your iCloud in iTunes?

Example:
Let's say I keep my iTunes music files on an external drive and I have everything matched to iCloud. When I have the external drive plugged into my MBP, iTunes would play the files from it, but when I have it disconnected, iTunes would stream (but now download!) 256k from Apple's servers (while keeping your playlists etc. intact).

Has anyone tried this before with beta?

Any song you click on downloads as it plays. The physical file is then on your device until you delete it.