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If Apple Music takes over and destroys iTunes like it did the iOS Music app I'll be pissed. Haven't upgraded from iOS 8.3 because Apple now makes you jump through hoops to listen to your own music in the app.
 
They changed the fonts size on the iTunes Store why? i'm using windows 7 (medium text size 125%) since 2009 and now the iTunes Store fonts are too BIG i cant even see part of the page, images and text are too blurry now...
 
Showing in older versions was my experience too. This feature wasn't present even in the 10.11.4 dev/public betas, and only surfaced today, but upon installing the 10.11.4 GM today, all the songs I had added on 9.3 with the option unchecked disappeared (correctly) out of iTunes, while remaining in their respective playlists.

It appears to me that on the backend it's a metadata flag on iCloud Music Library which is why they were able to load it in this final version and have it work correctly immediately. Will an older version of iTunes show all the "hidden" Apple Music files - yes - but as long as you're up to date now 10.11.4/9.3 it seems to work smoothly.
Here try this...
With option unchecked

Add some songs to a playlist
Download playlist for offline play
Delete the songs and/or playlist
Go into storage settings in IOS device and see the downloaded songs still there (you can delete them at least from there).

You can also do similar on iTunes on OSX... download a song in playlist and then delete the song from iTunes. It stays taking up space in Music/iTunes Media/Apple Music/

Maybe IOS purges automatically to reclaim space but I doubt OSX does. Sure it is easy to go in and clean up, or remember to remove downloads first prior to removing the songs from playlist but this should not be necessary.

I sent feedback to Apple on this during the beta but I guess they didn't care enough to fix it.
 
So Schiller was full of ****........or whomever said it would be seeing some changes.....

Why? Is this the final version of iTunes, with no more updates ever?
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Totally agree. This seems like an option that should have been available day 1. All of my 'playlist only' songs removed from My Music appropriately and stayed on their respective playlists but I can guarantee it's going to be a hit or miss situation for a lot of users.

I don't know - it never occured to me as an option. It would have made sense to me that songs in playlists were always made up of songs from your library.

As an analogy, back in the day, if I ever made mix tapes, everything on them would have come from records or CDs in my collection.

Now that people have mentioned it, I can get it, but I'm not sure it was that obvious.

Seems like a good example of Apple being a bit more responsive these days and making changes that are requested, but they still get criticised because it wasn't an option from day one.
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Here try this...
With option unchecked

Add some songs to a playlist
Download playlist for offline play
Delete the songs and/or playlist
Go into storage settings in IOS device and see the downloaded songs still there (you can delete them at least from there).

You can also do similar on iTunes on OSX... download a song in playlist and then delete the song from iTunes. It stays taking up space in Music/iTunes Media/Apple Music/

Maybe IOS purges automatically to reclaim space but I doubt OSX does. Sure it is easy to go in and clean up, or remember to remove downloads first prior to removing the songs from playlist but this should not be necessary.

I sent feedback to Apple on this during the beta but I guess they didn't care enough to fix it.

It could be that they didn't care. Or maybe they had 1001 things they could have looked at but didn't have time to do them all.
 
"We decided in the short term that what we wanted to do is really make it when you're in music and iTunes, all you see is music," said Cue. He went on to explain that Apple is continually re-evaluating iTunes, and there are plans to release a refreshed version alongside OS X 10.11.4 next month.
"Refreshed version" what does that even mean?
Now we know: It's the inclusion of an extra checkbox

Hilarious!
 
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Why? Is this the final version of iTunes, with no more updates ever?
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I don't know - it never occured to me as an option. It would have made sense to me that songs in playlists were always made up of songs from your library.

As an analogy, back in the day, if I ever made mix tapes, everything on them would have come from records or CDs in my collection.

Now that people have mentioned it, I can get it, but I'm not sure it was that obvious.

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Spotify has this feature and works well. It's a big deal sharing playlists and trying them out without having the main music library affected. It's one thing I missed.
 
Why? Is this the final version of iTunes, with no more updates ever?
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Yeah the update will arrive in 2050 and this would also be the year when Apple will fix bugs in OS X, which have been pending for years.
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What I understood from the interview Apple execs had with Gruber, it sounded like they said next major version as in iOS 10 and OS X 10.12, not these minor updates.

iOS 10 and OS X 10.12 is definitely their last chance to fix this, we should see in a few months.

I don't think anything substantial will happen except some cosmetic changes... The current combination of Craig Federighi and Eddie Cue is destroying what was all good about Apple.
 
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Except it obviously isn't that at all.
No? Please tell us all about the other "refreshed" features this new version has.

It's clearly not ready yet. This is probably why Apple generally keep tight lips on future products.
Then at least give us an indication of what you're working on. iTunes is probably one of the most hated pieces of software on the planet.

Personally I've been getting so many random syncing errors or issues with iCloud Library (like turning many explicit songs into clean versions without fix) for years now. For whatever reason Apple just doesn't get their act together. And they're less than transparent about their efforts to address these problems.
 
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No? Please tell us all about the other "refreshed" features this new version has.

Your missing the point, probably on purpose.

I'm not saying that there is more on this update.

I'm saying the changes in this update obviously aren't the changes that were referred to in the interview, which will presumably come in a future update.

For what its worth, some of the UI in AM actually has changed, but I would hope a future version of iTunes would change it quite a bit more, as it does need a bit of work.
 
Your missing the point, probably on purpose.

I'm not saying that there is more on this update.

I'm saying the changes in this update obviously aren't the changes that were referred to in the interview, which will presumably come in a future update.

For what its worth, some of the UI in AM actually has changed, but I would hope a future version of iTunes would change it quite a bit more, as it does need a bit of work.
Well, he talked about a "refreshed version" of iTunes (whatever that means to begin with is up in the air) alongside OS X El Capitan v10.11.4. That's literally what the MacRumors article said. So why are you dragging another hypothetical update that's even further in the future into this? For better or worse the update yesterday is all we got alongside v10.11.4. Whatever happens later on together with a future OS X version, El Capitan or otherwise, is irrelevant. Apple talked about something happening with v10.11.4.
 
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This sucks. Installed 12.3.3 on my Windows machine at work and it crashes every time I try to go to my music. :mad:
 
Well, he talked about a "refreshed version" of iTunes (whatever that means to begin with is up in the air) alongside OS X El Capitan v10.11.4. That's literally what the MacRumors article said. So why are you dragging another hypothetical update that's even further in the future into this? For better or worse the update yesterday is all we got alongside v10.11.4.

So let us know when 10.11.5 comes out and they still haven't updated it.

The point is that it is almost certainly in the works, and the changes alluded to in that interview were not the addition of a single checkbox.
 
So let us know when 10.11.5 comes out and they still haven't updated it.

The point is that it is almost certainly in the works, and the changes alluded to in that interview were not the addition of a single checkbox.
If you're talking about a "refreshed version" of iTunes being released alongside the v10.11.4 update it means they're being released at the same time. Otherwise it's not being released "alongside" the OS X update but "afterwards".

Could be the MacRumors author interpreted it the wrong way, that I don't know.
 
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Check the size of the coverart and the text, its huuuge for me with itunes 12.3.3 and there's nothing i can do...
Version 12.2 worked fine.
Using Windows 7 64 bits here.

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maybe 12.4 will be the version we hope for the redesign? i take it needs to be out by march 31st because the ipad pro requirements list that version needed.
 
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maybe 12.4 will be the version we hope for the redesign? i take it needs to be out by march 31st because the ipad pro requirements list that version needed.
Hoping so too. While iTunes 13 would sound more reassuring, Apple Music has been introduced with a point update as well. I hope it's not just redesign as well.
 
If you're talking about a "refreshed version" of iTunes being released alongside the v10.11.4 update it means they're being released at the same time. Otherwise it's not being released "alongside" the OS X update but "afterwards".

Could be the MacRumors author interpreted it the wrong way, that I don't know.

They didn't specify, they just said it's on the way.
 
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Check the size of the coverart and the text, its huuuge for me with itunes 12.3.3 and there's nothing i can do...
Version 12.2 worked fine.
Using Windows 7 64 bits here.
Same here on my Windows 10 PC (or perhaps they changed the display scaling?). Also, sometimes I see only the "top shelf" on the store pages, and the scroll bars don't show up properly when hovering the mouse under scrolling fields. Glitchy. The Mac version doesn't have these problems here.
 
Same here on my Windows 10 PC (or perhaps they changed the display scaling?). Also, sometimes I see only the "top shelf" on the store pages. Glitchy. The Mac version doesn't have that problem here.

Man i'm pretty sure they changed the scale, they did something for sure, i'm a little worried now, apparently there's no more love for Windows users anymore...i don't know, first the Apple Music issue, i can't still see many of the album covers after almost 1 year now this...
 
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