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Apple Releases Java for Mac OS X 10.5 and 10.4 Updates

After the update, Java websites like http://www.jippii.com no longer load their games.

Anyone else having issues with Java and this update? I've installed it again manually from Apple's website and still can't get stuff to work.
 
I doubt Apple really wants people developing Java applications to be honest. While I quite like it, it's not always the best for developing end-user applications.

It is however great for server-applications and things like that, I find I'm unlikely to use anything else unless I hit a performance problem with Java and need to code in C or whatever to get the very most out of a program.

A lot of businesses use Java for developing server applications because they can run on many OSes, so something that you developed and can run happily on a Windows work-station should run just as well on a Linux or OS X server, which presumably is what Apple is gunning for by keeping Java up-to-date in a 64-bit form. It isn't really intended to run Applets, which frankly have always been pretty rubbish on OS X, and aren't likely to survive with the current trends towards javascript browser-apps.
 
javierbds said:
No Java => No WebObjects => No Apple Store => No iTunes ...
I find this Java demeaning strategy curious ... :rolleyes:

JavaScript => Dynamic Web Pages (AJAX ...), very hot right now as a way to have better apps running in (most) browsers (MobileMe ...)
Java => App(let)s in Web Pages, multi platform apps, Server apps ..., many apps that are not targeted exclusively to just one operating system (i.e. OpenOffice), many of them free (take a look at Bluemarine for a good Java photo app http://bluemarine.tidalwave.it/ )

If JS were to die right now, I'll be happy we could all agree on a cleaner scripting language for browsers (and without a fake name) :p

Yep, I´m a (desktop) Java dev and I'm tired of (ranting):
- Hiding the fact that your app is using Java/Swing/SWT
- Convoluted strategies to assure the user has the right JRE
- Being asked by each OS user to use his OS to the fullest when the Java providers make it hard to
- Server Java slowing Java evolution ...
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I wasn't demeaning Java, I said in my post I would mourn it. I used to fiddle with Java, but I'm exclusively a web scripter at the moment. I loved the language, very clean and robust.

Since when is Java a scripting language for browsers? Its an applet plugin, or a server-side page server - I have yet to see any browser DOM manipulation with Java. And what about accessibility for Java applets?

Developers shouldn't hide what language they are using, but they shouldn't advertise it either. Its irrelevant, the consumer cares as much what language you use as what underwear you wear.

All your other points are beefs with Java implementations itself, not really good for your pro-Java argument.

All that said, both Java and JavaScript (ECMAScript, in fact) have made making cross-platform applications a success. Google's apps and MobileMe I consider cross-platform apps.
 
macintel4me said:
I'm trying to think if there has ever been an update I care less about. Nope, I can't think of one. :)
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i'm trying to think if there has ever been a post i care less about. nope, i can't think of one.

belittling of teenagers aside, i have noticed no dramatic improvement in my desktop java apps, i am however shocked at the improvement in performance of ibm's lousy lotus notes webmail. it's usable, on a mac no less. very impressed to see such a huge jump.

that is all.
 
workaround for some desktop applications that does work, and MIGHT work for you

THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE, but this is the manufacturer's recommended workaround for an application used by printing professionals made by kodak called Prinergy workshop, it appears to be a security issue within the apple OS

If you've already updated Java, you can modify your Application to use the actual JavaApplicationStub, not an alias:

On your Mac, find the Application icon (Applications\"Application Folder"\"Applcation Name"). Select "Application Name" icon, rightclick+"Show Package Contents"

Go to \Contents\MacOS - IF it is a shortcut called "JavaApplicationStub" - move it to your desktop and right-click on it, select "Show original".

A new Finder window will open (pointing to /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/A/Resources/MacOS/) Select the "JavaApplicationStub" file. Copy it to the clipboard.

Paste it into the location from your application's package contents that had the shortcut for the JavaApplicationStub file.

Application may now work, if not, replace the original shortcut file from the dektop into your application's package contents and try some other route
 
bigmc6000 said:
The update made my computer sit there and not restart - I left it for like 10 mins and it didn't boot so I just powered off and restarted. Not sure why it did that but it's a little disturbing to have a Java update to that to your computer (1.5GHz 12" PB).
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me too, i ended up doing a combo update to avoid this, but it did the same thing on my computer when i tried to update. not only that, but i know of a friend's macbook that did the same thing when trying to install the update.

weird, i have never had problems with updates before
 
It's improved Java applications when using spaces. Used to never be able to Apple - Tab to those applications if they were in another space, but this has fixed my problems.
 
THANK YOU! I was able to use a variant of this to fix jEdit after the update in question. Note: for jedit, the actual file inside of the MacOS folder is called jedit, but it is indeed just a symbolic link for JavaApplicationStub. Copying the real thing over the symlink fixes the issue.

Not having jedit work has been extremely irritating as of late. Having it work, AND having spaces seemingly handle jedit is a big improvement though.

upekkharich said:
THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE, but this is the manufacturer's recommended workaround for an application used by printing professionals made by kodak called Prinergy workshop, it appears to be a security issue within the apple OS

If you've already updated Java, you can modify your Application to use the actual JavaApplicationStub, not an alias:

On your Mac, find the Application icon (Applications\"Application Folder"\"Applcation Name"). Select "Application Name" icon, rightclick+"Show Package Contents"

Go to \Contents\MacOS - IF it is a shortcut called "JavaApplicationStub" - move it to your desktop and right-click on it, select "Show original".

A new Finder window will open (pointing to /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/A/Resources/MacOS/) Select the "JavaApplicationStub" file. Copy it to the clipboard.

Paste it into the location from your application's package contents that had the shortcut for the JavaApplicationStub file.

Application may now work, if not, replace the original shortcut file from the dektop into your application's package contents and try some other route
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Problems after this update with starting up my mac

Since i installed the java update my mac keeps giving me the folder with ? mark at start up, i tried resseting the pram and power management but this did not help, i still have the problem. If i remember correctly the 10.5.5 update was not to far before so it might be part of the problem to, but i started noticing it after the java update so that's why i reply here.
Is there anyone here that has or has had the same problem and can give me a sollution maybe, thank you.
 
yeah but I think the older macs should get it to because there still might be alot of people with the imac G3's and they cant be updated to a higher OS
 
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